Author Topic: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies? (Read 22411 times)

farbled · « **Reply #50 on:** July 15, 2021, 17:33 »

Quote from: oooo on July 15, 2021, 16:21

thank you farbled

You're welcome. I try and be upfront with my opinions, giving the pros and cons of it as I see things. I hope people find it helpful.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #51 on:** July 16, 2021, 06:58 »

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Even nowadays, I see things that make me cringe...but they have improved and are improving. Also put out an ad for a freelance keyworder, although the pay isn't very high which may mean that only monkeys accept to be paid in peanuts.

Without sounding like a frustrated socialist, we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen and will take on constructive criticism to improve.

For specialist editorials, best to upload ourselves to places like Alamy and keyword ourselves. They aren't geniuses to know details of relatively little known places, unfortunately.
WireStock has a referral program. 10% nowadays! Why not expand it to keywording? Let the keywording be done by contributors and give them a percentage of sales keyworded content by them generates. Only thing they have to do is a final check and distribution.

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?

I just got that change notice in referrals. I don't know if it's better or worse, I'd have to have someone sign up and then be active?

Just got the Editorial announcement:

"Now you can easily submit your Editorial content. There is no need to fill in the keywords, phototypes, or descriptions. Our team will sort it all out for you. Feel free to start using the new update which will give you more time to create new content."

Ha Ha, I don't know how they could possibly sort it out, without the specifics of many of my images. But I'm pleased that they will be accepting Editorial now.

Roscoe · « **Reply #52 on:** July 16, 2021, 08:23 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 16, 2021, 06:58

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?

Mostly I still prefer to do my own keywording, mainly because Wirestock's keywording is either very generic or just not accurate enough. They might be my competition, but on the other hand, the better they do the keywording, the higher their potential incentive would be. And there still should be a final quality check by Wirestock's moderators. In the end, Wirestock wins, because they don't have to pay flat fees for inhouse or freelance keyword personnel. The contributors win, because they will get better keyworded content and they have the possibilty to generate an extra potential income stream by doing keywording jobs. It looks like a good solution to me, but maybe I'm missing something here. I remember Dreamstime providing keywording by contributors, paying 2$c per keyworded image. They seem to have dropped it though and they probably had their reasons to do so. The 2$c flat fee was also way to low to really motivate anyone to start doing keywording. A percentage of the commissions would be a better idea.

Personally, I don't really mind keywording that much, and after uploading thousands of files to various agencies, I think I developed a pretty efficient keywording habit. I would participate in some spare time to see how it goes.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #53 on:** July 17, 2021, 09:52 »

Quote from: Roscoe on July 16, 2021, 08:23

Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 16, 2021, 06:58

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?

Mostly I still prefer to do my own keywording, mainly because Wirestock's keywording is either very generic or just not accurate enough. They might be my competition, but on the other hand, the better they do the keywording, the higher their potential incentive would be. And there still should be a final quality check by Wirestock's moderators. In the end, Wirestock wins, because they don't have to pay flat fees for inhouse or freelance keyword personnel. The contributors win, because they will get better keyworded content and they have the possibilty to generate an extra potential income stream by doing keywording jobs. It looks like a good solution to me, but maybe I'm missing something here. I remember Dreamstime providing keywording by contributors, paying 2$c per keyworded image. They seem to have dropped it though and they probably had their reasons to do so. The 2$c flat fee was also way to low to really motivate anyone to start doing keywording. A percentage of the commissions would be a better idea.

Personally, I don't really mind keywording that much, and after uploading thousands of files to various agencies, I think I developed a pretty efficient keywording habit. I would participate in some spare time to see how it goes.

I think you are right, and we know what the subject and situation is, better than someone just looking at a photo and describing it. Someone off somewhere else might miss the concept we had intended also.

You do know, that your keywords are now read and used by Wirestock? In my case I already have the images with keywords, because I upload elsewhere.

My disagreement was, I don't want someone else being given commission to keyword my images, because that comes out of what I'd make. Plus those people wouldn't be any better than the people that WS already pays to do keywords? I can't see any advantage to adding something that we don't need.

farbled · « **Reply #54 on:** July 23, 2021, 14:25 »

420 bucks today on instant pay at Wirestock. My >3% of my current portfolio going there (to IP) is really working for me. All stuff that never sold.

farbled · « **Reply #55 on:** July 30, 2021, 13:49 »

Well, its official. We can now sell directly from our Wirestock portfolios instead of through the various agencies.

kall3bu · « **Reply #56 on:** July 30, 2021, 14:36 »

How does it work?
The agencies have different prices. Wirestock different again or follow one of the agencies in case of prices?
If I share my portfolio, they can see prices?

Any link to an information from wirestock about this?

farbled · « **Reply #57 on:** July 30, 2021, 14:45 »

Quote from: kall3bu on July 30, 2021, 14:36

How does it work?
The agencies have different prices. Wirestock different again or follow one of the agencies in case of prices?
If I share my portfolio, they can see prices?
Any link to an information from wirestock about this?

WS says in their forum, "The prices will be $5 for images and $50 for videos. Please also note that in case of direct portfolio sales, Wirestock commission will be 30%."

A good time for some people to sign up: https://wirestock.io/?ref=terry.davis1

Roscoe · « **Reply #58 on:** July 31, 2021, 02:27 »

Quote from: farbled on July 30, 2021, 14:45

WS says in their forum, "The prices will be $5 for images and $50 for videos. Please also note that in case of direct portfolio sales, Wirestock commission will be 30%."

A good time for some people to sign up: https://wirestock.io/?ref=terry.davis1

You probably mean their Slack channel? I didn't receive any official communication yet, so curious to see the details.
If I understand it correctly, Wirestock is becoming a standaard microstock agency too, apart from being the distributor they already are and the "Extra Channels" deals they offer.

kall3bu · « **Reply #59 on:** July 31, 2021, 06:52 »

@Farbled:
Thank you for the information!

Forum? Do you also have a link to their forum, please?

And yes, I am not wondering, that wirestock goes that way. Just little bit faster than expected. I was already thinking/guessing about their prices and commissions. And yes, I am not wondering again about the details.
3,50 RPD for us - nothing against it and as expected more fair than other agencies if we see only the percentage of 30% for WS and 70% for us.

Automatically ALL images/videos are offered = full portfolio? Or only the ones which we signed for extra channels?

farbled · « **Reply #60 on:** August 01, 2021, 09:40 »

Quote from: kall3bu on July 31, 2021, 06:52

@Farbled:
Thank you for the information!

Forum? Do you also have a link to their forum, please?

And yes, I am not wondering, that wirestock goes that way. Just little bit faster than expected. I was already thinking/guessing about their prices and commissions. And yes, I am not wondering again about the details.
3,50 RPD for us - nothing against it and as expected more fair than other agencies if we see only the percentage of 30% for WS and 70% for us.

Automatically ALL images/videos are offered = full portfolio? Or only the ones which we signed for extra channels?

Just send them an email. I think you have to be invited and a member for some amount of time.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #61 on:** August 03, 2021, 11:22 »

Quote from: Roscoe on July 31, 2021, 02:27

If I understand it correctly, Wirestock is becoming a standaard microstock agency too, apart from being the distributor they already are and the "Extra Channels" deals they offer.

Yes looks that way. I did receive notice that they were adding Extra Channels and direct sales. The part that's interesting (to me) is they will have a nice simple, $5 or $50 pricing, instead of "we sell for less!"

Quote from: farbled on July 30, 2021, 14:45

WS says in their forum, "The prices will be $5 for images and $50 for videos. Please also note that in case of direct portfolio sales, Wirestock commission will be 30%."

A good time for some people to sign up: https://wirestock.io/?ref=terry.davis1

No No use my link!

(actually use Terry's or some other friend, just having fun.) But use someone you know, so you can help them personally.

ps Thanks OSCAR!

farbled · « **Reply #62 on:** August 03, 2021, 11:42 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 11:22

No No use my link! (actually use Terry's or some other friend, just having fun.) But use someone you know, so you can help them personally.

ps Thanks OSCAR!

Use Pete's if someone decides to sign up, he gives the most and best advice to everyone. Besides, I started my month with a 63 dollar SOD so I am doing fine. I get way more SOD's with WS that I did selling direct with SS. Combined with Instant Payouts, I had a stellar July.

Last point is, as far as files and history go, at WS I am a newbie and only selling since Dec last year. That means anyone starting out is not stuck behind dinosaurs like I used to be with files on an agency for a decade or more.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #63 on:** August 03, 2021, 11:56 »

Quote from: farbled on August 03, 2021, 11:42

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 11:22

No No use my link! (actually use Terry's or some other friend, just having fun.) But use someone you know, so you can help them personally.

ps Thanks OSCAR!

Use Pete's if someone decides to sign up, he gives the most and best advice to everyone. Besides, I started my month with a 63 dollar SOD so I am doing fine. I get way more SOD's with WS that I did selling direct with SS. Combined with Instant Payouts, I had a stellar July.

Last point is, as far as files and history go, at WS I am a newbie and only selling since Dec last year. That means anyone starting out is not stuck behind dinosaurs like I used to be with files on an agency for a decade or more.

No No, Farbled is the best, he wrote the book on plop and shoot! Listen to him.

SOme of my meals have paid for themselves over the years. One shot and eat!

By the way, I think the forum is that Wirestock Slack thing and I can't always get into it. I get this: Enter your workspace’s Slack URL which is what I saved as a bookmark. This should work?

https://wirestock.slack.com

Oh wonderful I figured it out. email is case sensitive on SLACK. Brilliant, as no where else on the web does that matter? I got in. Now I have to wonder why?

farbled · « **Reply #64 on:** August 03, 2021, 12:21 »

I thought it was WirestockCreative, but I dunno. My bookmark is a lot of numbers.

I don't have the energy today to figure it out. In any event, I was invited by WS after a few weeks/months. I don't know if anyone can just sign up unless they have been there for a while. Just a guess..

I'm glad Plop n Shoot is working out for ya Pete, easy money for virtually no work. If anyone else is interested, the book is on my website.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #65 on:** August 03, 2021, 12:46 »

Quote from: farbled on August 03, 2021, 12:21

I thought it was WirestockCreative, but I dunno. My bookmark is a lot of numbers. I don't have the energy today to figure it out. In any event, I was invited by WS after a few weeks/months. I don't know if anyone can just sign up unless they have been there for a while. Just a guess..

I'm glad Plop n Shoot is working out for ya Pete, easy money for virtually no work. If anyone else is interested, the book is on my website.

Before it had a name... lunch brat at the races. On the paper it came in, on the counter of the food stand, I could have done better on the mustard, now that I've seen better examples of how that's done. One shot and eat. Plop and Shoot... Eat It as in Easy PASEI

I'm ahead $1.66 so far, even if it took six years to make a profit?

Maybe some day again and I'll make one with the sauerkraut, and on a pretzel bun as well. The trend is spreading from local to National.

farbled · « **Reply #66 on:** August 03, 2021, 12:54 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 12:46

I'm ahead $1.66 so far, even if it took six years to make a profit?

Maybe some day again and I'll make one with the sauerkraut, and on a pretzel bun as well. The trend is spreading from local to National.

I like it! For me, since it takes no effort and no edits hardly, and WS does the keys now, any sale is pure profit. Do that for every single meal for a few years and then take a few trips around the world.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #67 on:** August 03, 2021, 13:04 »

Quote from: farbled on August 03, 2021, 12:54

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 12:46

I'm ahead $1.66 so far, even if it took six years to make a profit?

Maybe some day again and I'll make one with the sauerkraut, and on a pretzel bun as well. The trend is spreading from local to National.

I like it! For me, since it takes no effort and no edits hardly, and WS does the keys now, any sale is pure profit. Do that for every single meal for a few years and then take a few trips around the world.

I keyword before I upload, I still like the better and informed keywords or description. They wouldn't have a clue what a Bratwurst on a Pretzel bun with sauerkraut actually is. Oh besides, everyone knows, that yellow mustard is all wrong, it's supposed to be topped with brown deli style or a Dijon.

WS doesn't know every plant and the scientific name. We still need to do some detail work, and they can fill in the obvious after that.

cascoly · « **Reply #68 on:** August 03, 2021, 16:58 »

I've found it odd that images rejected by SS when i submit are routinely accepted from WS! And, often SS says they're not even accepting this type of image any more!

Roscoe · « **Reply #69 on:** August 04, 2021, 01:22 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 13:04

WS doesn't know every plant and the scientific name. We still need to do some detail work, and they can fill in the obvious after that.

It helps to add the scientific name, or keywords you really want to include in the notes for the reviewer.
Of course, that's already half of the work so little extra effort to to the full keywording (which is needed for that image if you want to upload it yourself to agencies not supported by Wirestock)

fotoroad · « **Reply #70 on:** August 06, 2021, 09:06 »

Quote from: Roscoe on August 04, 2021, 01:22

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 03, 2021, 13:04
WS doesn't know every plant and the scientific name. We still need to do some detail work, and they can fill in the obvious after that.

It helps to add the scientific name, or keywords you really want to include in the notes for the reviewer.
Of course, that's already half of the work so little extra effort to to the full keywording (which is needed for that image if you want to upload it yourself to agencies not supported by Wirestock)

Yap, and also do not recognize typewriter detail from car, I personally prefer old fashion way, no one can start with better keyword than author, yes some one can help after is this part done.

farbled · « **Reply #71 on:** August 06, 2021, 10:35 »

Quote from: Roscoe on August 04, 2021, 01:22

It helps to add the scientific name, or keywords you really want to include in the notes for the reviewer.
Of course, that's already half of the work so little extra effort to to the full keywording (which is needed for that image if you want to upload it yourself to agencies not supported by Wirestock)

I found that for the stuff I shoot, like a hamburger on a white plate, its pretty hard to screw it up. I've also noted that there may be some benefits associated with WS doing all the keys and titles, since their systems may give weight to those. I can't prove it and have no evidence beyond my own experiences though. In any event, I was never going to key a bunch of b-roll crap from years ago. So, it works for me, for some things.

Roscoe · « **Reply #72 on:** August 06, 2021, 12:51 »

Quote from: farbled on August 06, 2021, 10:35

I found that for the stuff I shoot, like a hamburger on a white plate, its pretty hard to screw it up. I've also noted that there may be some benefits associated with WS doing all the keys and titles, since their systems may give weight to those. I can't prove it and have no evidence beyond my own experiences though. In any event, I was never going to key a bunch of b-roll crap from years ago. So, it works for me, for some things.

True, I fully understand your point. But, it really depends on the topic.
I shoot quite some landscapes, and they are basically worthless without the location in the title and keywords. I know that for sure.
Or if I shoot a vegan or vegetarian dish, I really want vegan or vegetarian related keywords included too. They are "in demand" so they say.

Whether Wirestock keyworded content has more weight or not is an interesting discussion. Maybe it's not the keywording, but the Wirestock collection which has some advantage for certain agencies? I do sell images on P5 via wirestock every now and then (not much), but I only sold one image on my personal account at P5, and that portfolio is way bigger than what I submitted to P5 via Wirestock. It's not evidence, just an anecdotal experience which might be triggered by coincidence.

Keywording will always remain a topic of discussion. Some swear with having lots of keywords, 20, 30 or fully max it out, and others swear with sticking to basic keywording because the more keywords you add the more irrelevant keywords you'll have which might (or might not) hurt the content ranking.

I honestly don't know. All I know is that I have sales via Wirestock of images which were keyworded by them to the barebone minimum, just as I have sales of images with lots of keywords. My best-seller has 33 keywords, and certainly not all of them are equally relevant.
Again: not evidence, just anecdotal experience.

farbled · « **Reply #73 on:** August 06, 2021, 13:08 »

Yup. As with everything in Micro, there is always more than one way. More than one type of asset, buyer, process, etc. That's why I question when anyone speaks in absolutes about this industry (speaking in general not pointing fingers at anyone).

Dave · « **Reply #74 on:** August 06, 2021, 19:33 »

If you do not know already this mob are NOT a Library just a place that takes ANOTHER % of your sales.

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