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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2013, 01:15 »
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Lisa. I was looking the peoples images which i have sold in FAA and zazzle and i see that i sold my 80 years old grand mom's closeup portrait, smiling with traditional India cloth sari and vermilion on forehead (which is symbolic to married Hindu woman). I had sold this image twice in both outlet before i removed from the galleries.
The other images i sold are also of Indian tribal people. Man plowing farm with bulls, females making handicrafts, family celebrating festival together, mother helping her young baby to brush his teeth lol and likewise. I was also also amazed when sold them as print or cards but now i guess where they can be used. Like here in India, i do see images of woman making handicrafts hanging in the offices/shops selling or dealing handicraft products. My aunt is a dental surgeon and she has a print of image on the wall of her clinic showing a mother with her baby holding tooth brush (which inspired me to take similar shot). And likewise other people and lifestyle images can also be  used as fineart i hues and as i do sell similar images so probably people must be looking some fineart elements in them. Interesting thing is almost all of my Indian images have been  by people outside India lol

Really good info Gemmy!  I'm glad your Indian photos are doing so well.  There must be a particular market for them.  I am sure they are also very excellent.  :)

I will consider what people shots I have that might be desirable as art.  I'm going to guess it won't be the white background stuff... ;)
Lisa. I never sold isolated stuffs in pod sites but thats probably my own case. If i remember correctly then Steve's (Steve heap) isolated cat is doing well in both stock and FAA. So basically you never know :) anyways what ever you try i wish you good luck Lisa. :)


« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2013, 02:17 »
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It takes a lot of self promoting over there if you want good numbers, but worth it to put the time in.
It's important to be displayed in the right groups
http://fineartamerica.com/groups/q-collection.html


and participate in the FAA forum to be seen.


This one is new and promising:
http://qthecollection.com/qtalk/index.php


If you are active over there your sales will be much higher than if you just upload.





~Gunter Nezhoda
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2013, 03:30 »
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I'm going to guess it won't be the white background stuff... ;)

Why not? Not all white background images would be adequate but there are many that have a chance at selling. Again, I'm talking about professional spaces. For example, many of the large supermarkets in Portugal have in their decorations  images of food isolated in white all around the shop. The same happens in the para-pharmacies with people images.

Sure most of them are printed in acrylic to be lit from behind but I cannot see why another store wouldn't want to have a real print hung in the walls. That actually happens with higher-end smaller shops.

At this moment high-end and gourmet is frequently symbolized by black or dark furniture and decoration and dim lights. But this may turn around and brightly and fresh spaces become the fashion. Then they would need vibrant images.

As I said not all isolated in white images are suitable, but many are. It's just a question of testing. To be honest the offer of these images is so small in FAA that even if there was a market they wouldn't have anything to offer.

NOTE: In isolated images the watermark is a bigger issue and that worries me, but to be honest if someone wants an image for free all they have to do is to use google's image search, even with a heavy watermark on it, and it takes seconds to find a high-res copy available...
« Last Edit: November 24, 2013, 03:33 by StockPhotosArt »

« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2013, 03:33 »
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No telling what sells there, stock does sell on FAA.


I sold even this:


http://fineartamerica.com/saleannouncement.html?id=4373c3b3dcb1cea513b58fc922e9658c

Ron

« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2013, 07:44 »
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But, in the end, the people who steal it won't buy it and the people who buy it won't steal it, so it probably doesn't really make any difference.
Yeah, I agree with that. But its still a feeling of being naked seeing those images sit there like that for everyone to grab.

Ron

« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2013, 08:08 »
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You are welcome LIsa, thank you for your kind words. Good luck.

And as Jo Ann says, I also made my fee back on my second sale. And with my average images I made 2000 dollars in 15 months.

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2013, 09:43 »
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All your images will be on the internet at 1000px longest side and the watermark is tiny. The reasoning is that a watermark puts off art buyers, and they wont do anything about the 1000px image because its an art site and in general they dont care if their images are downloadable at that size. It seems that it is only a concern to people who also sell stock. They dont care about stock. They forget they also sell postcards and 1000px for postcard is plenty. Even for a small canvas. Anyhoo, the owner of the site made it clear to me that he doesnt care.

PS: FAA's SEO is really good, so your images will be on top of the google search, therefore most likely will be stolen.

I've found quite a few of my photos on blogs where they either have the FAA watermark or are cropped right above the FAA watermark. I actually found one where they cropped out the FAA watermark to where you can still see a small portion of the top of the watermark letters.

Since the majority of stock sales are smaller sizes this is a problem. Google grabs the full 1,000 megpixel size source file and makes it readily available for stealing. This bypasses any FAA security such as disabling right-click.

Unfortunately, with the Royalty Free stock licensing the FAA thefts compound the stealing problem because we have no idea which is a legit purchase or a theft. If my direct sales ever do well enough to go solo I may offer a simplified hybrid RF/RM license limits usage to one company or project so I can track thefts.

Ron

« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2013, 09:54 »
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It takes a lot of self promoting over there if you want good numbers, but worth it to put the time in.
It's important to be displayed in the right groups
http://fineartamerica.com/groups/q-collection.html


and participate in the FAA forum to be seen.


This one is new and promising:
http://qthecollection.com/qtalk/index.php


If you are active over there your sales will be much higher than if you just upload.





~Gunter Nezhoda
Portfolio   Facebook    Gunter Nezhoda Photography


Q is a group you created, the label Q means nothing, its not a recognised quality label, its nothing. You are picking images yourself, you are the curator of that group and when I look at your work, I dont think you are qualified to say what is quality and what isnt.  The forum you linked to is probably your own forum, and only has 111 comments. Hardly a number that screams global exposure. I will get slated over this, but I just want to give balance to your comment for people who might think that the label Q has any merits. It doesnt.

« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2013, 10:14 »
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It takes a lot of self promoting over there if you want good numbers, but worth it to put the time in.
It's important to be displayed in the right groups
http://fineartamerica.com/groups/q-collection.html


and participate in the FAA forum to be seen.


This one is new and promising:
http://qthecollection.com/qtalk/index.php


If you are active over there your sales will be much higher than if you just upload.





~Gunter Nezhoda
Portfolio   Facebook    Gunter Nezhoda Photography


Q is a group you created, the label Q means nothing, its not a recognised quality label, its nothing. You are picking images yourself, you are the curator of that group and when I look at your work, I dont think you are qualified to say what is quality and what isnt.  The forum you linked to is probably your own forum, and only has 111 comments. Hardly a number that screams global exposure. I will get slated over this, but I just want to give balance to your comment for people who might think that the label Q has any merits. It doesnt.

well said Ron.

« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2013, 20:12 »
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It takes a lot of self promoting over there if you want good numbers, but worth it to put the time in.
It's important to be displayed in the right groups
http://fineartamerica.com/groups/q-collection.html


and participate in the FAA forum to be seen.


This one is new and promising:
http://qthecollection.com/qtalk/index.php


If you are active over there your sales will be much higher than if you just upload.





~Gunter Nezhoda
Portfolio   Facebook    Gunter Nezhoda Photography


Q is a group you created, the label Q means nothing, its not a recognised quality label, its nothing. You are picking images yourself, you are the curator of that group and when I look at your work, I dont think you are qualified to say what is quality and what isnt.  The forum you linked to is probably your own forum, and only has 111 comments. Hardly a number that screams global exposure. I will get slated over this, but I just want to give balance to your comment for people who might think that the label Q has any merits. It doesnt.


Strewth! You actually made a reasoned argument, offered a new perspective and provided information to a discussion on MSG. I'm stunned. I even felt compelled to give your post a heart. We'll done, keep it up (and lose the multiple trivial nonsense posts).

« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2013, 20:43 »
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Well to be fair, the deal at FAA is that your search ranking can be improved based on participation in groups and forums, being 'featured' in groups, and being 'liked' by other photographers.  Supposedly.

FAA does nothing to make any of this actually happen - it all has to be driven by users like Gunter, starting and managing groups, and deciding what to feature.

I strongly suspect that search ranking is in reality based 98% on previous sales and 2% on all those other "participation" factors, but I don't know that, and of course FAA won't say.

« Last Edit: November 24, 2013, 21:33 by stockastic »

« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2013, 01:15 »
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hi
Sorry to sound so dumb, but what does FAA and POD stand for? Since my aerials photos don't have people in them, I am always looking for new outlets.
thanks I advance  Smiling Jack

« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2013, 01:35 »
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FAA - Fine Art America


POD - Print on Demand

« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2013, 10:17 »
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Thanks Gunter Nezhoda
Smiling Jack

Uncle Pete

« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2013, 11:28 »
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Seems like anything can sell on FAA, people have different tastes.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2013, 11:31 by Uncle Pete »

Uncle Pete

« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2013, 11:29 »
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Oops, that was modify not quote. Ignore...

« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2013, 20:30 »
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Sorry to digress from the topic. I'm curious, do you sell the same photos on FAA that you sell on the micro sites? Would you consider that a problem if buyers see they can get the same photo on another site for a few cents?


« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2013, 20:39 »
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Sorry to digress from the topic. I'm curious, do you sell the same photos on FAA that you sell on the micro sites? Would you consider that a problem if buyers see they can get the same photo on another site for a few cents?

Yes. And I'm happy for the buyers to purchase a license and then get themselves a print (which they can't do via FAA or anywhere else where you need to own the copyright to upload the image). You can only get images for a few cents as part of a subscription which may not work out if the buyer isn't already a purchaser of stock images.

And then they pay for the printing costs.

I don't see this as any different from offering images via subscription or credit sale or cash - each one works for some people and not others. I don't hide either the agencies or FAA when selling via my own site - I'm up front about all the places people can license my work and they get to pick.

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2013, 20:41 »
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Sorry to digress from the topic. I'm curious, do you sell the same photos on FAA that you sell on the micro sites? Would you consider that a problem if buyers see they can get the same photo on another site for a few cents?
I have some overlap of my more 'pictorial' images.
Sure, they can get the same image cheaper off iS, but then they'd have to find someone to make the prints, mounts, frames whatever. Someone did SM on iS years ago to show me a photo of a huge print they'd made and had in their dining room of one of my photos. I can't imagine what the resolution must have been like, it was an enormous print and it was the second photo I had accepted on iS, from a 350D, which prints fine at SuperA3, but the photo showed it as much larger than that - took up most of the shorter wall of a dining room!
Why would it be a particular problem? Most consumer products are available at various prices in the market. If they want to shop around, buy a digital file and get it printed, they can. If they want the convenience and a money-back guarantee, they've got it.

« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2013, 20:50 »
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I sell all kinds of photos on FAA - both as prints and as greeting cards.

I have one photo of four men dressed up in coast guard costumes from the 1800's that sold twice at over 30" on the short side both times, so you never know what will sell  - those and other images that I consider "editorial" have done well over there.
I also sell a lot of what you think would sell - boats and lighthouses and landscapes and seascapes - as well as different artsy textured stuff. Some of it is work I've sold on Alamy and some is work I've sold on the micros. I also have a lot on there that I don't have available as stock.

I made enough to pay for the next several years with my first sale so the $30 is a no-brianer - I've made as much as $8 just from the commission on the frame and matting.

Taking the time to join groups and comment and market your work there is a big commitment. It seemed like it was helping a lot when I first became pretty active over last spring but good keywords and a large portfolio are also very important. Since being more active over there I do notice that a lot of my work shows up pretty high on google.

In conclusion, you have very little to lose and could do quite well on there. Good luck!

« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2013, 23:18 »
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Sorry to digress from the topic. I'm curious, do you sell the same photos on FAA that you sell on the micro sites? Would you consider that a problem if buyers see they can get the same photo on another site for a few cents?



I do, but I also make them a little more artsy for FAA:


stock - [size=78%]http://fineartamerica.com/featured/vu-meter-input-output-gunter-nezhoda.html[/size]


fine art - [size=78%]http://fineartamerica.com/featured/playback-recording-vu-meters-grunge-gunter-nezhoda.html[/size]

stock - [size=78%]http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1-bird-of-paradise-gunter-nezhoda.html[/size]


fine art - [/size][size=78%]http://fineartamerica.com/featured/bird-of-paradise-gunter-nezhoda.html[/size]
« Last Edit: November 26, 2013, 23:33 by Gunter Nezhoda »


 

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