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« on: October 26, 2020, 21:44 »
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I am looking for update my ,,computer park,, and not sure what is better choice for future every day work, video and photo editing
I love know your opinion. I am PC user for many years.

Dell XPS Tower Special Edition /no monitor/
64GB, 2x32GB, DDR4, 2933Mhz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB GDDR6

2TB M.2 PCIe NVME SSD + 2TB SATA 7200RPM HDD

Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit, English

10th Gen Intel Core i9-10900K processor(10-Core, 20M Cache, 3.7GHz to 5.3GHz)
 
$ 2, 800.00


or

IMac Retina 4K 21.5 inch

    3.2GHz 6-core 8th-generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.6GHz
    32GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory
    Radeon Pro 560X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory
    1TB SSD storage
    Magic Mouse 2
    Magic Keyboard - US English
    Accessory Kit

Software

    Pages, Numbers, Keynote
    Photos, iMovie, GarageBand
    macOS
    Final Cut Pro X

 Around $ 3,200.00 with tax


« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2020, 03:23 »
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I don't know anything about Macs, but I do know about windows computers designed for Adobe products.  I always have them built from scratch, and I follow Adobe's recommendations by the letter.  This means :
- 1 SSD for Windows + programs (C-drive) - 1 Tb is enough for that
- 1 SSD for editing work :  here you should put your SCRATCH disks on, preferably on a separate partition.  A 100Gb scratch disk for photoshop on a disk that is NOT your windows-drive speeds up all Adobe products that work with scratch disks.  The rest of this drive is for the files you are actually working on, so "work in progress".
- 1 HDD, a huge one, for storage of finished work.
- external disks for backup


This should be combined with a graphics card that is NOT on Adobe's blacklist.  With every new photoshop and LR release, the graphics card gets more important, so you should really check if you went for the right one.


This is just a summary, you should really read about the ideal configuration on the Adobe website.

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2020, 05:30 »
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Your PC option looks good. Similar to my setup but I have the GTX 1070 and it's only 6 cores. If you're using Adobe products then in most cases you'll be better of with an NVIDIA card as well. Definitely agree on getting two SSD's at 1TB each. I'd hold out for the RTX 3070 as well... same price with better performance. Does seem quite expensive at $2,800 though (possibly the 10 core i9 is responsible for that!)... might be worth shopping around.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2020, 08:42 »
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I built one in the spring that is pretty close to your specs: https://backyardsilver.com/building-a-new-photo-and-video-pc/

Although it isn't clear in the article, I did put my programs on the C drive and put the scratch file area on a second M.2 SSD

I have my Lightroom catalog on the C drive - not sure that is the best place

Steve

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2020, 12:37 »
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Mac Mini 
3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 4.6GHz)
RAM 16 GB (Even 32)
SSD 1 TB
$1700 (1900 with RAM 32 GB)

Monitor BenQ 2700 SW
$ 600 (Max)

+ Some external HDDs For Archive

It will cost you less that the iMac for very similar result
(Frankly a 4K monitor is not really necessary, it can even be counter
productive)

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2020, 13:25 »
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Mac Mini 
3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 4.6GHz)
RAM 16 GB (Even 32)
SSD 1 TB
$1700 (1900 with RAM 32 GB)

Monitor BenQ 2700 SW
$ 600 (Max)

+ Some external HDDs For Archive

It will cost you less that the iMac for very similar result
(Frankly a 4K monitor is not really necessary, it can even be counter
productive)

Decent specs for the processor/drives/ram, but the Mac Mini comes with a pretty basic graphics card. Might be ok for graphics programs, but I wouldn't recommend it for After Effects, Premiere or Resolve.

« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2020, 14:50 »
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How long do you plan to use the setup (I see the word "future" in your post)?

Have you factored in the fact that Apple is on a transition to ARM CPU (called Apple Silicon) for Macs?

« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2020, 14:52 »
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If you go the Windows route i would not get the RTX. Wait for the 3080 RTX it is that much better. I am on the GTX 1070 now and have just ordered the RTX 3090 as with 8GB of Ram I was running out of memory already on 4K a few times when using too many nodes on Davinci Resolve or using Mocha Pro. The 3080 is nearly as fast as the 3090 , the difference is RAM but at least go with 10. If you plan to shoot 8K in the recent future then it's 3090 or The new AMD cards coming with 16.

RAM if you do lots of VFX (my experience is only with DR Fusion) then 64MB would be ok 128 better. If you do not enter that realm 32RAM is enough

Processors The might Ryzen are great for Davinci but I think Intels are also good too. More cores can be used more efficiently than for example games where clock count is still king.

Disks Here again I would look for offers (Black friday around the corner) NVMe are speed demons and have gone really down in prices recently.
For Archive any cheap magnetic HDD with backup.

Monitor I love my 32 Benq 4K monitor upgraded 1 year ago from 22 Eizo. If you do a lot of video you want real estate for still images not that important. Colour accuracy always a must, more important than resolution.

Sometimes adding 1k to a computer can save you days in front of a screen if you change computer every 5 years. You have to decide if it is worth it,
All the best with your choice.


« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2020, 16:11 »
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Im using a Dell mobile workstation for all my works.
I9 9980HK, quadro rtx 4000, 32 gb ram (upgrade to 64 gb next month)
I use cinema 4D, after effects with plugins like element 3d and stardust, and
blender. I think that anything with this specs will be fine for still and video
editing.

« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2020, 16:45 »
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How long do you plan to use the setup (I see the word "future" in your post)?

Have you factored in the fact that Apple is on a transition to ARM CPU (called Apple Silicon) for Macs?
I hope least 3 or 4 maybe little longer ...???

« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2020, 17:00 »
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How long do you plan to use the setup (I see the word "future" in your post)?

Have you factored in the fact that Apple is on a transition to ARM CPU (called Apple Silicon) for Macs?
I hope least 3 or 4 maybe little longer ...???

From my experience during Apple's transition from PowerPC CPU to Intel, I started to feel the pressure to change about 2 years after the introducing of the first Intel Mac as more and more things were not compatible with the old architecture. The first Apple Silicon Mac is expected end of this year.

« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2020, 17:27 »
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How long do you plan to use the setup (I see the word "future" in your post)?

Have you factored in the fact that Apple is on a transition to ARM CPU (called Apple Silicon) for Macs?
I hope least 3 or 4 maybe little longer ...???

From my experience during Apple's transition from PowerPC CPU to Intel, I started to feel the pressure to change about 2 years after the introducing of the first Intel Mac as more and more things were not compatible with the old architecture. The first Apple Silicon Mac is expected end of this year.
I think I will go with Dell, I must buy soft for video because I really do not want pay every month for subscription. I love option for Final Cut with Apple, now I must find other way for video editing. Maybe Davinci Resolve, I hope he can replace Adobe for me.

« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2020, 17:30 »
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Thank You very much to all, you are great people and I really love this community. I am almost ready for Dell but still open for any helpful ideas.

Chichikov

« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2020, 03:40 »
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Mac Mini 
3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 4.6GHz)
RAM 16 GB (Even 32)
SSD 1 TB
$1700 (1900 with RAM 32 GB)

Monitor BenQ 2700 SW
$ 600 (Max)

+ Some external HDDs For Archive

It will cost you less that the iMac for very similar result
(Frankly a 4K monitor is not really necessary, it can even be counter
productive)

Decent specs for the processor/drives/ram, but the Mac Mini comes with a pretty basic graphics card. Might be ok for graphics programs, but I wouldn't recommend it for After Effects, Premiere or Resolve.

Yes you are right.
In this case you can use an external GPU, but I don't know if it's really worth it, given the cost of an eGPU.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 03:43 by Chichikov »

« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2020, 12:51 »
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Hi,

Its not time to buy a Windows computer right now because AMD has just introduced a 6x series of graphics cards. In about two months we will have a real picture. When it comes to work, AMD offers much better solutions compared to Intel (Ryzen 7 and 9 series of the third generation), and after a month we will have the fifth generation available, AMD finally wins Intel in gaming.

Some ideal photo processing computer would be:

- Ryzen 7 or 9 - 3th or 5th generation
- 2x16 GB 3200 or 3600 MHz DDR4 with CL16 latencies
- As for graphics, if you don't play, some 1070 or 1080 GTX will be enough. If you are playing go to the new 3080 RTX or AMD 6800XT series
- Gen 3 or 4 NVME SSD - Samsung 970 EVO Plus or PRO and AORUS NVMe Gen4 SSD


PS Currently the best buy (budget) processor is the Ryzen 5 3600 which offers great performance (near i7-9700K) at a low price (middle class)
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 12:55 by vlado85 »

« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2020, 23:11 »
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Take a closer look at refurbished (like new) iMacs. It saves money without compromising quality. You may even afford 5K retina 27inch iMac. I have been buying refurbished Apple products for years with any problems.

Here is one example https://www.apple.com/shop/product/GMVTCLL/A/Refurbished-27-inch-iMac-37GHz-6-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-Retina-5K-display?fnode=

Easy to upgrade RAM later for 1/2 price.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2020, 23:13 by tpack »


 

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