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« on: July 13, 2019, 08:59 »
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It's funny... I'm thinking (& in a way, seems quite possible it could come this way)...

Videoblocks/Storyblocks has gone from...

- 100% Commissions to Authors!
- We buy your good clips, so you have crap left to sell, but still get 100%
- 50% Commission to Authors!
- $0.00000000001/clip Commission to Authors, but you get LOTS of it!

To............. next step/e-mail probably will be something like this:

"Hey Authors!

Why not give away your clips for FREE, and YOU get TONS OF EXPOSURE!!! JUST THINK - PEOPLE WILL THEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE MASSIVE EXPOSURE YOU GOT, WHICH MEANS YOU COULD GET SALES IN THE FUTURE!

We'll keep all the money from our subscriptions and value you add to our subscription model - because of course we have to eat, pay for fuel for our lambourghini's & mcclarens, which hopefully you understand costs money - but you'll get... EXPOSURE!!! JUST give your clips for free... Freee... FREEEEEEEEEE!!! Think of the POSSIBILITIES! And we've done the math, and its best for you - so anticipated your response - we've already made your clips available for FREE!!! If you want to opt-out, there is a 90-day new waiting period, and you can only remove 10% of your portfolio at a time... oh, and our script for removing stuff is broken, because there is a coding error, don't know why... so strange, we'll get it fixed, might take 3-4 years, but we'll give your clips FREE in the meantime, that's why we need the money... but FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! AND EXPOSURE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!! SUCH A GREAT GRAND DEAL AIN'T IT?!?!?"


- The StoryBlocks Team - now making $50 million/year to the owner + a handful of employees because this is a digital business, but helping YOU get EXPOSURE!!!!!!!! Because WE know what's BEST for YOU!
« Last Edit: July 13, 2019, 09:05 by SuperPhoto »


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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2019, 10:45 »
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*pat on the back*

It's okay to cry, just let it all out.

« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2019, 10:54 »
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If we are considering their creativeness from the start... they are going to that direction - downloads for `likes`, maybe followers (subscribed to MS)...

« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2019, 14:18 »
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For god's sake QUIET! or they will all start doing it.

« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2019, 15:31 »
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Still a newbie but if I got it right, year by year it wasn't commisions that went down
but also words as "Authorts, Contributors, Creators, Portfolios" until a new master word appeard
"Libraries".
Yup, a library is faceless don't ask anything but growth and is much cheaper to own and deal with.

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2019, 06:33 »
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Although they did have the library long before the marketplace.

« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 07:04 »
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Does anyone received the payment yet??

« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2019, 10:17 »
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I got my payment yesterday

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2019, 23:39 »
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Yeah, yesterday as well.

« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2019, 04:57 »
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what payment? Are they handing everyone a bonus? Will the marketplace still exist with the new membership program?

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2019, 09:18 »
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The payments they send out on the 15th of every month to people who've earned in the previous month.

« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2019, 16:06 »
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The payments they send out on the 15th of every month to people who've earned in the previous month.

You're still getting marketplace sales?

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2019, 21:33 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2019, 23:06 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

I hope you're joking. The P5 membership works well and I'm sure it's probably several times better than the SB membership will ever be. You seem to love selling as low as possible

« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2019, 00:59 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2019, 02:37 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!
I`ll gladly promote your files on SB MS to everyone I know... you will be excited with returns... :)

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 03:03 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!
I`ll gladly promote your files on SB MS to everyone I know... you will be excited with returns... :)

Please do... that would be great.


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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 03:06 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 03:23 »
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0.15$ maybe...?

« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 03:40 »
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Spacestock : I really wonder about your sale strategy. You produce very sellable content. My clip average 25$ return per sale. Obviously you sell more if you participate in subs but I still have doubts that you are making more being in SB and Envato subs scheme(don't know if you supply to Getty/Istock too) than to stay with the pay per download options (Videohive Shutter P5 Adobe and Storyblocks).

Is it always difficult to predict and subs seem to work when there are not many players in the market. This is what made Shutter photographers happy back then where there were not millions of files added to the library per week. Even at that time I decided to stay exclusive with Istock when there were no subs there. I was making 12-13k month with 3000 images (no model at that time). Situation has changed alot but in the subs game contributor always loses at the end even if at the start it seems a viable option.

Video sales are very far away in volume than those of images so a return of pennies (Getty) or fractions of a dollar is not going to make it up in volume.

In any case good luck with your path. Your content deserves to make a healthy income.

Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 03:49 »
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The payments they send out on the 15th of every month to people who've earned in the previous month.

You're still getting marketplace sales?

Yes mine are marketplace sales although they have slowed down a lot past 6 months.

« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 03:54 »
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Spacestock : I really wonder about your sale strategy. You produce very sellable content. My clip average 25$ return per sale. Obviously you sell more if you participate in subs but I still have doubts that you are making more being in SB and Envato subs scheme(don't know if you supply to Getty/Istock too) than to stay with the pay per download options (Videohive Shutter P5 Adobe and Storyblocks).

Is it always difficult to predict and subs seem to work when there are not many players in the market. This is what made Shutter photographers happy back then where there were not millions of files added to the library per week. Even at that time I decided to stay exclusive with Istock when there were no subs there. I was making 12-13k month with 3000 images (no model at that time). Situation has changed alot but in the subs game contributor always loses at the end even if at the start it seems a viable option.

Video sales are very far away in volume than those of images so a return of pennies (Getty) or fractions of a dollar is not going to make it up in volume.

In any case good luck with your path. Your content deserves to make a healthy income.

Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

SpaceStockFootage, thank u...This is the type of information I was looking for... many talk here without accurate info...


« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 04:02 »
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Spacestock : I really wonder about your sale strategy. You produce very sellable content. My clip average 25$ return per sale. Obviously you sell more if you participate in subs but I still have doubts that you are making more being in SB and Envato subs scheme(don't know if you supply to Getty/Istock too) than to stay with the pay per download options (Videohive Shutter P5 Adobe and Storyblocks).

Is it always difficult to predict and subs seem to work when there are not many players in the market. This is what made Shutter photographers happy back then where there were not millions of files added to the library per week. Even at that time I decided to stay exclusive with Istock when there were no subs there. I was making 12-13k month with 3000 images (no model at that time). Situation has changed alot but in the subs game contributor always loses at the end even if at the start it seems a viable option.

Video sales are very far away in volume than those of images so a return of pennies (Getty) or fractions of a dollar is not going to make it up in volume.

In any case good luck with your path. Your content deserves to make a healthy income.

Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

I sit on both sides of the fence here. I've not joined the storyblocks members program but kinda understand SpaceStocks thinking. All my conetent is on Getty and although the big sales are drying up the smaller (partner program) sales still add up each month and that alone pays the mortgage and bills.
I haven't seen any conflict of sales between the agencies with my content on Getty. Shutterstock / Adobe / Resolve / Pond - all have extremely consistent monthly sales. I could tell you how much I make within $100 each month. Scarily consistent which makes me want to ask other conspiracy questions :)

So I think there is a need and place for a members collection, and sales can be pretty good. I personally don't think buyers shop around as that's not what I've found.
I can see some agencies could be taking the piss though and I'll need to look into Storyblocks members program more before making a choice.

« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 04:49 »
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Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

Interesting that the month isn't yet over and you seem to already have data on what your earning. That seems very strange. You shouldn't know that info until the middle of the following month. I'm dubious and I think $1.5 is dream-on scenario. You have a unique niche and premium content that could be licensed as such yet you seem to preoccupied with selling to the bottom feeders
« Last Edit: July 18, 2019, 05:02 by pkphotos »

« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 06:23 »
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... miscalculation or their(SB) prediction...

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 06:26 »
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Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements... are all able to provide estimated earnings throughout the month. What crazy sorcery is this?!

(Just to clarify... it doesn't start at $290 at the beginning of the month and fluctuate up or down slightly depending on downloads... it starts at $0 and gradually increases throughout the month. Same with the Elements and Motion Array reports. So as we've completed just over 17 days of the month, I'm currently at $290, there's 31 days in the month, and I have 340 items... that's where I'm getting the $1.50 per month, per item from. It may be more or less than that, and it may be considerably less than that as time goes on... we'll see... but my estimated earnings last month were less than $3 off the actual earnings.)

However, I do love it how people who are strongly against the subscription model have been presented with information that goes against their preconceptions, so as a result... that means it's 'strange', I may be out by a factor of ten, I'm dreaming etc etc! I'm not preoccupied with selling to the bottom feeders... I'm preoccupied with selling to the top feeders, the middle feeders AND the bottom feeders.

« Last Edit: July 18, 2019, 06:41 by SpaceStockFootage »

« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 08:55 »
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It is great to have this mentality as long as you know to differentiate your product. I have a few images that I just don't sell under 300$ whatever the use and some licenses have gone for 2000+$ (that is direct sales). I know they are just unavailable anywhere so I can command price. That are my top feeders that sell very few times and do not by any means make the bulk of my income.

Middle and bottom feeders are stock agencies (long is the time gone where I could open a monthly Gettyimages statement and see a 23k or 10k sale). But the argument that you can place everything under different prices is plain stupid, buyers ARE price conscious and who is telling you they are not is lying big time. So offering dozen of your 4k files for the same price as one file sold at Adobe ot P5 is shooting yourself in your feet. Go for the bottom feeders and the middle and the top but with different products. it is called Market segmentation and you see it everywhere everyday. You cannot buy a Audi at the price of a Skoda whatever discount you can have with the Audi. They are under the same group ( Audi Volkswagen Skoda and Seat) many things in common but each product has its own price.

I know they are not digital products, movies are and they don't end start in Netflix and the like unless directly produced by those platforms. For a good reason. If they would people would not go to the cinema buy the DVD rent digitally first. They will end up as a sub but will try first not to leave a penny of customers on the table. We should all follow that same strategy to be successful at this business.

I'm not preoccupied with selling to the bottom feeders... I'm preoccupied with selling to the top feeders, the middle feeders AND the bottom feeders.


« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 12:14 »
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They will end up as a sub but will try first not to leave a penny of customers on the table.

if I may partially argue on this, new age digital customers (consumers) come with no money in hand, asking for free services for a start as a default.

I have spend quite some time doing tv-marketing productions and strongly believe that it didin't fail because of products' poor quality or repetition but because nowadays consumers instead ot the classic "have a great discount on competition prices" or "here, have a second one as gift" now on after the internet revolution just demand free or lowest priced products, again no matter the product quality or value. (Excluding from this conclusion older people that use more tv sets and not the web)

« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2019, 20:46 »
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However, I do love it how people who are strongly against the subscription model have been presented with information that goes against their preconceptions, so as a result... that means it's 'strange', I may be out by a factor of ten, I'm dreaming etc etc! I'm not preoccupied with selling to the bottom feeders... I'm preoccupied with selling to the top feeders, the middle feeders AND the bottom feeders.

Well, then don't cry/whine when people steal your content and pass it off as their own, i.e., this post you started here:
https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/check-this-pond5-account-see-if-they're-selling-your-content/

It's because of people selling assets/their entire portfolio for fractions of pennies, undervaluing their work thinking only of the short-term gain, which causes the problems/race to the bottom.

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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 22:29 »
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If you read that post and interpreted it as crying and/or whining... then it's very apparent why we have such differing views! I thought I came across as quite upbeat in that post!

« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2019, 11:21 »
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wow nice

« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2019, 14:26 »
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 ;D :D BWAHUAAHHAHAhahahahHAHAHAHAHAh I LOVE YOU :-D

of course, I laugh not to cry

« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2019, 14:27 »
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If you read that post and interpreted it as crying and/or whining... then it's very apparent why we have such differing views! I thought I came across as quite upbeat in that post!

I think the opening post is very humorous ... but humour has often been used to cover sad messages.

« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2019, 14:31 »
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Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements...  (...)

just to clarify: with Elements do you mean SS Elements? or is there someone else?

« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2019, 15:00 »
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« Last Edit: July 19, 2019, 15:32 by SuperPhoto »

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« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2019, 22:12 »
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Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements...  (...)

just to clarify: with Elements do you mean SS Elements? or is there someone else?

Envato Elements.

« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2019, 18:42 »
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Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements...  (...)

just to clarify: with Elements do you mean SS Elements? or is there someone else?

Envato Elements.

Thanx


« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2019, 18:47 »
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It is great to have this mentality as long as you know to differentiate your product. I have a few images that I just don't sell under 300$ whatever the use and some licenses have gone for 2000+$ (that is direct sales). I know they are just unavailable anywhere so I can command price. That are my top feeders that sell very few times and do not by any means make the bulk of my income(....)

Hi Everest, where is the place for those sales? The ones of 300/2000 ; where is the place in which you can set the price?

« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2019, 01:02 »
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It is great to have this mentality as long as you know to differentiate your product. I have a few images that I just don't sell under 300$ whatever the use and some licenses have gone for 2000+$ (that is direct sales). I know they are just unavailable anywhere so I can command price. That are my top feeders that sell very few times and do not by any means make the bulk of my income(....)

Hi Everest, where is the place for those sales? The ones of 300/2000 ; where is the place in which you can set the price?

Hi Zorba I set my prices for a few group of images through my website managed with Photoshelter. Here I can set Right Managed prices. Also RF is possible but not for me as I am still exclusive with Istock/Getty on the image front. As usual the problem is getting your image seen by potential prices not the price by itself. Many of those images where in RM collections at Getty and I disagreed with lower and lower prices so I cancelled my RM contract with them and all those images got free. I immediately put those on sale on Photoshelter. Many clients contacted me after to purchase those images that I guess where in lightboxes on Getty. those 10-200$ became 300-2000$ I did refused everything lower I just don't cared to sell at lower prices those specific images. Many clients paid those prices without a blink. So Getty, all agencies and most photographers are leaving a lot of money on the table.

But as time went by from my contract cancellation fewer and fewer clients contacted me as I think very few people search through the photoshelter engine. I put those images in places like pinterest so they got a better SEO as Photoshelter is known for being very bad in that department. From time to time I still make a direct sale but it is only a small fraction of my yearly income.

But as we all know it is more important being noticed that the price that makes sales as long as you have unique images. My 2000$ sale for example was a book cover. They wanted exclusive rights forever I refused and we finally set for 2 years exclusive rights. I guess there was not a better option available elsewhere or the work/cost to design that book cover again was higher.

Many years ago I sold also an exclusive license for 2 years use in Germany through Getty for 23000$ to a Pharma corporation. I am sure that number that seems stratospheric for us was a drop in the sea for that company. Nowadays an advertisement photo production goes easy from 15000 to 40000$, a commercial for TV much more (I know as I have worked 10 years as a location scout). Micro or nano prices are great for 95% for clients that have low budgets or need large number of images continuously. But there is still a pool of customers that has budget for many zeros. They are a fraction of the stock market, you cannot count on them to make a living unless your work is truly specialized and unique ( I give you an example plates (backgrounds) for cars) but they exist, reaching them is what is not easy, a few thousand is not a problem for them.......

« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2019, 20:35 »
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It is great to have this mentality as long as you know to differentiate your product. I have a few images that I just don't sell under 300$ whatever the use and some licenses have gone for 2000+$ (that is direct sales). I know they are just unavailable anywhere so I can command price. That are my top feeders that sell very few times and do not by any means make the bulk of my income(....)

Hi Everest, where is the place for those sales? The ones of 300/2000 ; where is the place in which you can set the price?

Hi Zorba I set my prices for a few group of images through my website managed with Photoshelter. Here I can set Right Managed prices. Also RF is possible but not for me as I am still exclusive with Istock/Getty on the image front. As usual the problem is getting your image seen by potential prices not the price by itself. Many of those images where in RM collections at Getty and I disagreed with lower and lower prices so I cancelled my RM contract with them and all those images got free. I immediately put those on sale on Photoshelter. Many clients contacted me after to purchase those images that I guess where in lightboxes on Getty. those 10-200$ became 300-2000$ I did refused everything lower I just don't cared to sell at lower prices those specific images. Many clients paid those prices without a blink. So Getty, all agencies and most photographers are leaving a lot of money on the table.

But as time went by from my contract cancellation fewer and fewer clients contacted me as I think very few people search through the photoshelter engine. I put those images in places like pinterest so they got a better SEO as Photoshelter is known for being very bad in that department. From time to time I still make a direct sale but it is only a small fraction of my yearly income.

But as we all know it is more important being noticed that the price that makes sales as long as you have unique images. My 2000$ sale for example was a book cover. They wanted exclusive rights forever I refused and we finally set for 2 years exclusive rights. I guess there was not a better option available elsewhere or the work/cost to design that book cover again was higher.

Many years ago I sold also an exclusive license for 2 years use in Germany through Getty for 23000$ to a Pharma corporation. I am sure that number that seems stratospheric for us was a drop in the sea for that company. Nowadays an advertisement photo production goes easy from 15000 to 40000$, a commercial for TV much more (I know as I have worked 10 years as a location scout). Micro or nano prices are great for 95% for clients that have low budgets or need large number of images continuously. But there is still a pool of customers that has budget for many zeros. They are a fraction of the stock market, you cannot count on them to make a living unless your work is truly specialized and unique ( I give you an example plates (backgrounds) for cars) but they exist, reaching them is what is not easy, a few thousand is not a problem for them.......

Thanks everest

« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2019, 23:10 »
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I said.... are you serious ?!


 

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