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« on: April 16, 2012, 19:00 »
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Third month in a row, thinkstock offers me the same quantity of pictures sold and the same earnings.
We all know that this is impossible.
Anyone else who detect the same?


« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 20:23 »
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Yes!  All 0s, month after month.

« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 20:25 »
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I don't have any partner program (Thinkstock and Photos.com) income posted for March yet. Are you talking about income via StockXpert versus iStock partner program? Which month?

And it's not impossible, just extremely unlikely :)

Batman

« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 22:01 »
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Third month in a row, thinkstock offers me the same quantity of pictures sold and the same earnings.
We all know that this is impossible.
Anyone else who detect the same?

I've never had a thinkstock earnings how do you do that? Just partner program from IS or sale from StockXpert. What do you mean.

« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 00:42 »
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You need to tell us how many you sell for us to know if it is "impossible" or not. If you sell 20,000 a month then, yes, it would be almost impossible, if you sell 20 a month then it's merely a bit unusual. I've never had two identical PP months but I've had quite a lot within 10% of each other and some within two or three percent.

lisafx

« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 12:10 »
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I haven't had my March TS earnings reported yet, but they have never been exactly the same.  They are within a few $ of eachother some months (for the few months I've been there) but never identical.  
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 14:43 by lisafx »

« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 12:29 »
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My experience with a small portfolio . . . . . . last 3 months exactly $2.50.
Not much, but curiously the same.

« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 14:01 »
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My experience with a small portfolio . . . . . . last 3 months exactly $2.50.
Not much, but curiously the same.

With that many sales it's not desperately surprising that it averages out to the same. One more or one less would be a 10% variation. As I said, my are frequently less 10% but with hundreds of sales that can mean a difference of dozens of downloads over the month.

 

« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 14:12 »
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My experience with a small portfolio . . . . . . last 3 months exactly $2.50.
Not much, but curiously the same.

With that many sales it's not desperately surprising that it averages out to the same. One more or one less would be a 10% variation. As I said, my are frequently less 10% but with hundreds of sales that can mean a difference of dozens of downloads over the month.

Sounds fishy to me.  BT, you use the word average.  But etienjones is describing his exact sales, not an average, which equal 10 downloads for each of the last three months.  That's surprisingly consistent.  Just one sale more or less would look less suspicious.

My own numbers are far less consistent: 7.25, 7.00, 6.75, 16.00, 6.75, 15.75 over the last six months.  They look believable, while etienjones's numbers don't.

« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 14:19 »
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close numbers but never the same (around 10$)

« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 14:47 »
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My experience with a small portfolio . . . . . . last 3 months exactly $2.50.
Not much, but curiously the same.

With that many sales it's not desperately surprising that it averages out to the same. One more or one less would be a 10% variation. As I said, my are frequently less 10% but with hundreds of sales that can mean a difference of dozens of downloads over the month.

Sounds fishy to me.  BT, you use the word average.  But etienjones is describing his exact sales, not an average, which equal 10 downloads for each of the last three months.  That's surprisingly consistent.  Just one sale more or less would look less suspicious.

My own numbers are far less consistent: 7.25, 7.00, 6.75, 16.00, 6.75, 15.75 over the last six months.  They look believable, while etienjones's numbers don't.

My point is that with 10 sales a month it would require a deviation of an entire 10% for him to get to 9 or 11 downloads. Your own deviation in the first three of your six months is - what? - 3%? Three percent is much closer to zero than it is to 10%, so your first three months are no more believable than his, but you think they look more genuine because there is a difference of one sale in 28.

« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 15:39 »
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My experience with a small portfolio . . . . . . last 3 months exactly $2.50.
Not much, but curiously the same.

With that many sales it's not desperately surprising that it averages out to the same. One more or one less would be a 10% variation. As I said, my are frequently less 10% but with hundreds of sales that can mean a difference of dozens of downloads over the month.

Sounds fishy to me.  BT, you use the word average.  But etienjones is describing his exact sales, not an average, which equal 10 downloads for each of the last three months.  That's surprisingly consistent.  Just one sale more or less would look less suspicious.

My own numbers are far less consistent: 7.25, 7.00, 6.75, 16.00, 6.75, 15.75 over the last six months.  They look believable, while etienjones's numbers don't.

My point is that with 10 sales a month it would require a deviation of an entire 10% for him to get to 9 or 11 downloads. Your own deviation in the first three of your six months is - what? - 3%? Three percent is much closer to zero than it is to 10%, so your first three months are no more believable than his, but you think they look more genuine because there is a difference of one sale in 28.

By considering only percentages and not units, you're missing how unlike it is to get exactly the same number of results several times in a row.  Think of it this way: flip a coin once a day for three months and then look at the number of times you get heads.  Probability suggests you'll get around 15 heads each month.  But if you tried it, you might just as easily get 14 one month and 16 another.  Heck, you might see 20 one month.  Each flip, like each sale, is a separate event with its own probability of coming up heads.  If I got the exact same result several months running, and allowing for different numbers of days in each month (and in the case of sales, different numbers of week days vs. weekend days), I'd be very surprised.

Point is, the larger number of samples, the greater the likelihood of getting average results.  But with few samples, like an average of one sale every three days, I'd expect more variation.

RacePhoto

« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 15:52 »
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Third month in a row, thinkstock offers me the same quantity of pictures sold and the same earnings.
We all know that this is impossible.
Anyone else who detect the same?

No I don't know that this is impossible. I also don't run around calling something a fraud with no proof.

And for the rest of the people, we don't know what's going on here. No data, no information. He could have 50 images and sells five a month. We don't know anything.

Come on, put away the noose and the shotguns. First thing is, none of us sells anything on Thinkstock! And pretty much all downloads are for the same earnings.

Is this PP on IS (which hasn't come out yet for March?) or StockXpert sales on Thinkstock.

It's all so vague, I can't see how people jumped into this pit of muddy accusations, without at least a tiny bit of information to back it up?
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 15:55 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2012, 16:18 »
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Point is, the larger number of samples, the greater the likelihood of getting average results.  But with few samples, like an average of one sale every three days, I'd expect more variation.

Interesting idea, but in practice I don't think it works like that. If you are averaging one sale in three days you don't suddenly see 20 sales in one day and then none for two months. You may get two in one day and then none for six days, but a month generally seems to be long enough to bring it back to the average.

The more sales you have, the larger the number of ways of spreading those over a three month period.

If there are going to be 30 sales in three months, there are a limited number of ways of distributing those sales and it is probably not as many as one might think. For three sales in three months there are only three distributions: 3-0-0, 2-1-0 and 1-1-1 (since 0-3-0 is the same as 3-0-0 for our purposes). I think there are more ways of getting 2-1-0 than there are of getting the other two, but my brain can't cope with the permutations.

Is there a statistician out there?

« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 14:08 »
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I said "exact" a two digit number of sales (near three digits) and also exact a two digit income. Three month in a row.
But if i'm the only one, okay, than it is only funny.

RacePhoto

« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2012, 21:07 »
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I said "exact" a two digit number of sales (near three digits) and also exact a two digit income. Three month in a row.
But if i'm the only one, okay, than it is only funny.

From where? No one gets paid from ThinkStock?

Do you look at you image sales reports and see what images are being sold, to see if it's different or always the same?

Seems you came in shouting FRAUD and haven't looked at the documentation at all, just one number, and I can't understand from where, since it can't be Thinkstock. We don't upload there, they don't pay us and can't be IS because that's mixed with Photos.com sales, (hasn't been reported for March yet) and if it's StockXpert why don't you just say so?

« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2012, 22:48 »
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be informed wise guy - once upon a time thinkstock was "stockxpert" and some of us still have there pictures from this time and a special deal with thinkstock.
I call it thinkstock because it is named thinkstock.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 22:50 by bad to the bone »


RacePhoto

« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2012, 22:54 »
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be informed wise guy - once upon a time thinkstock was "stockxpert" and some of us still have there pictures from this time and a special deal with thinkstock.
I call it thinkstock because it is named thinkstock.

Just trying to get an organized straight answer to your shouting FRAUD.

No ThinkStock wasn't once named Stockxpert, it's not obvious. People sell on Thinkstock from iStock also and there are over 28different  collections on Thinkstock, it is not StockXpert with a new name.

So I pried one answer out of you. You are refering to StockXpert profits from ThinkStock.

Now the other one.

Have you looked at your sales data, which lists income and images downloaded, image by image on StockXpert? You can see every photo sold, in your monthly income statement and how much you were paid.

Did you look at that?

I'm just trying to help, but you seem more interested in name calling and dancing around the facts.

lisafx

« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2012, 09:43 »
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I would just like to start seeing some March sales show up.  This is very late to  still be waiting for PP stats reporting to begin... 

« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2012, 10:03 »
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Where can I find monthly PP earnings? I see the earnings being added up to the daily earnings, but how can I easily see my PP earnings for - let's say - february 2012?

rubyroo

« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2012, 10:06 »
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Click back to last month (or whichever month you want) and you'll see the PP income as olive green stacks on top of your usual blue columns.  Hover over them to reveal the values.

« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2012, 10:06 »
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Where can I find monthly PP earnings? I see the earnings being added up to the daily earnings, but how can I easily see my PP earnings for - let's say - february 2012?

Stats and choose month and get back to Feb

« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2012, 13:49 »
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Where can I find monthly PP earnings? I see the earnings being added up to the daily earnings, but how can I easily see my PP earnings for - let's say - february 2012?

Stats and choose month and get back to Feb

Yes... but I only get the total amount (both regular and PP). I see the blue parts that are regular sales and I see the green parts that are PP, but I can't find out my total PP earnings for the month (without calculating day-by-day)

edit: OOPS!!! I need to change the drop-down menu from daily -> monthly :)

rubyroo

« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2012, 13:56 »
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Bingo!  ;D

Glad to know you found what you wanted.

« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2012, 14:40 »
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Plus you can download the cvs file.


 

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