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ShadySue

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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2012, 04:39 »
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If they were so hell bent on looking legitimate, then why did they create a site that screams SCAM!   Why the lack of transparency? 
Maybe the transparency IS in the web design.  ;)
All we've all done is give them a clue as to how to look more respectable.


« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2012, 12:25 »
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Actually, the title must be something like: SCAM ALERT: STAY AWAY FROM YOTOLA

Well you could take the SCAM word out and just title it

"New Agency Yotola - CALLING ALL SUCKERS"

« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2012, 12:54 »
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.

I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset,  and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!

Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.

My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.

tab62

« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2012, 14:00 »
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at $.02 per download they could be a sublet for iStock  ;D

drugal

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« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2012, 14:08 »
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.

I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset,  and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!

Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.

My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.

"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )

« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2012, 16:23 »
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at $.02 per download they could be a sublet for iStock  ;D

 :D

« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2012, 16:54 »
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.

I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset,  and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!

Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.

My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.

"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )

The difference is that microstock delivers. Even a lot. And this new thing is arriving late and in bad shape.

drugal

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« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2012, 01:41 »
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Disclaimer: My apologies for this post. I am violating my own vow not to spend any more brain time on Yotola. A smart admin would delete this opinion.

I'm thinking that there is a huge group out there of wanna-be photographers who are unable to get accepted by the major or even minor stock sites. They've heard stories of vast riches being denied them even though in their mind they've been rejected unfairly. Yotola to the rescue! Yotola feels your pain. Yotola will give you your chance to shine. Yotola will never reject you. Yotola confirms that your hand-shaking, sunset,  and flower pictures will yield big dividends and that the other stock sites are ignorant and will rue the day they rejected you. How much will Yotola pay you? [SLAP UPSIDE THE HEAD!] You'll take whatever Yotola will pay you!

Yotola is communicating that the traditional micro stock sites ignore or avoid images that Yotola will prove to be successful sellers. Sweet music to those wounded by rejection. Yotola will provide proof in dollars that your resentments are well-founded.

My conclusion is that many in the rejected crowd will respond to Yotola's strategy. Enough to make a profit for Yotola? I would think not, unless they can also tap into the vast Facebook photographer market where the remainder of the clueless reside.

"hey I'v got these shots laying around doin' nothin'... even if they just make pennies it's more than nothin'... lets go upload!" sounds familiar? thats how microstock was born, so... who's crying 'scam!' now? duh. : )

The difference is that microstock delivers. Even a lot. And this new thing is arriving late and in bad shape.

I was talking about the start. IStock f.e.... what was it, like 5 cent commissions? Once again you ppl are incapable of connecting even 2 dots.Thats pretty severe, thats why you are pushovers

« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2012, 03:06 »
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When I began, I think it was 0.20, 0.40, 0.60 (that's 20x to 60x of what Yotola seems to be offering). But I saw the potential and the future. Even if my protographer friends kept telling me that it was not possible make money with that, and that it wouldn't last (like many other photographers in the internet forums) , and even if my non-photographers friends kept telling me that it was not possible to make money through an internet offering I (and many others in this forum), foresaw it. We got it right, without any doubt, and we connected these dots that others weren't utterly able to connect. Now, many of these photographers that were making fun of us have surrendered  to microstock and are struggling to build portfolios there, maybe a bit late, while others go on bitterly commenting in denial. So, well,  I (we) got it right once and that's a point we have. I don't foresaw any significant income for this Yotola plan. And I think that I'm getting it right again.  
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 03:10 by loop »

drugal

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« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2012, 03:41 »
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... Even if my protographer friends kept telling me that it was not possible make money with that, and that it wouldn't last (like many other photographers in the internet forums) , and even if my non-photographers friends kept telling me that it was not possible to make money through an internet offering...

Sounds like this thread. Those pesky dots...

I (and many others in this forum), foresaw it. We got it right, without any doubt, and we connected these dots that others weren't utterly able to connect.

Foresaw what? That 98% of you will get shamelessly ripped off and create 100 page whine threads about how humiliating the whole thing is... and won't even come even on basic expenses... which actually means (the dots again) that you were simply giving your money to the owners of the site, just in a very complicated way involving a camera? : ) just wire the money next time...

Now, many of these photographers that were making fun of us have surrendered  to microstock and are struggling to build portfolios there...

Sure, after it pushed out everything else. Those pesky dots again: those ppl never said that this isn't gonna a great business... for the site owners, and about 1.5-2% of submitters. Now what is a business that rips off 98% of it's suppliers... tadaaaa: a scam.

I don't foresaw any significant income for this Yotola plan. And I think that I'm getting it right again.

goto 10 :)

Microbius

« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2012, 08:15 »
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ETA: deleted a load of stuff cos it ain't worth it

Back on topic, I predict that this will be just another way for people who don't own the copyright to make a quick buck before they get DMCA'd.
Give it a year and the site will be full of holiday snapshots and quality (but stolen) work
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 08:19 by Microbius »

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2012, 09:20 »
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ETA: deleted a load of stuff cos it ain't worth it

Back on topic, I predict that this will be just another way for people who don't own the copyright to make a quick buck before they get DMCA'd.
Give it a year and the site will be full of holiday snapshots and quality (but stolen) work

Excellent point.

« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2012, 09:51 »
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I had been keeping an eye on this thread, but figured this ridiculous business idea would fall flat pretty quickly because no one selling stock would take them seriously or contribute any images to them.

I'm not all that comfortable about Leaf changing the topic title. Now there's a neutral title, pages of back and forth discussion and I think this is obscuring the bottom line.

Don't under any circumstances give your intellectual property (images, illustrations, etc.) to an outfit that doesn't have public information about who they are and has all the attributes in their public presence of the snake oil salesman of old.

« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2012, 10:26 »
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Sorry OT:

I'm not happy about Leaf changing the title of this thread.

No accusations were made.

This is an (agency) independent forum (I thought).

I don't see how agencies can gain moderating power as long no laws have been broken or any other moral issues like slander or discrimination has occurred.

Tyler, please advise: How are we supposed to address issues like this? The current title does NOT reflect the OP's concerns. The title could relate to: "What are your thoughts:

- regarding their TOS
- regarding their support
- regarding their royalties
- regarding their upload system

It's not conclusive. IMO the original title was precisely addressing the issue at hand.

« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2012, 10:34 »
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I dont see any problem regarding leaf changing the title of this thread, I am not deffending Yotola but it aint a scam so it would be unfair..

sure it can hurt microstock if it goes live and contributors join, that said I also dont think togs/illust will accept this deal, perhaps the ones that have 80% rejection rate around all top agencies which arent living out of stock income but even those will punish microstock..

« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2012, 11:23 »
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It will go live - if it's not Yotola it's gonna be PlingPlong, Klupklik or Fungdung, for sure.

People love free, they don't give a rat's a$$ about the quality , except a few agencies and clients who really care about their brand.

But 80% of the image users will be happy with free image sources.

The problem will come as described by luissantos84: low quality...

One can only hope that premium imagery will still keep its place (and commission)...

« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2012, 11:42 »
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free will most certainly not take over microstock (at least not in the immediate future).  There is already a ton of free sites.  The few I linked before for example and flickr creative commons and piles.  What it comes down to is the time it takes to find an image and the assurance that the releases are in order.  A few dollars means nothing to most businesses so they'll happily buy a stock photo and have a quick search and proper licensing.


« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2012, 12:37 »
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... And the assurance that the free or CC photo is taken (by) and property (of) the person who is offering it at Flickr or elsewhere, and not stolen. There's a lot of stolen stuff offered out there.

« Reply #93 on: June 19, 2012, 13:21 »
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.

I would think that they will get millions of solicited poorly composed images with little commercial value, most with auto key words added by Yotola to at least make some basic searches possible.

I've also re-thought their payment method and revised my prediction of payment per image downloaded. I forgot than way back in our history and British history there was a unit of currency called the pence with a value of about 100 to the penny. Google "pence"  if you must. I think that Yotola will find a way to resurrect such a denomination for contributor payment. If it were me I'd call that unit  a "Credit". With 1,000 Credits equaling $10 U.S. The video holds out the hope that even images rejected by micro sites will still yield tens of thousand of downloads on a free download basis. So I think that, yes, it will be possible to earn less than .01 per image.

vonkara

« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2012, 13:23 »
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Our main team is based in London. The voice was done by a team colleague in the US (and yes that is a Chicago accent :)).
Our advertisers will be all family-friendly products and services I can guarantee you that.
Our team and investors are composed of people with backgrounds in stock photography and marketing. We already have high quality photographers on board and they will begin uploading as soon as we are done polishing off site development (which is not long now)

Still wondering how you got my personal phone number just to invite me. Not wise, and clearly you're starting with the wrong foot. But that's a first, have to admit it. ???


Hi Rui, we found your phone number in the registrar details of your stock photography website, which was publicly available. We felt it was better to call you in person rather than sending an email. Apologise if there was any inconvenience. As we are starting up we wanted to add that personal touch to our contributors.


Hey, I got a business to! We're very professional marketters from the USA! We learn everything we know from tv, I swear. Look at our first product that will change lives!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vLcvCH1h1qk[/youtube]

We got a 1-800 hotline or we can contact you directly by using your ip adress WHILE YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO!! !!(((AWESOME)))!!

(Sorry leaf, I know I haven't post in a while, but I couldn't shut it this time)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 13:30 by Vonkara »

« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2012, 13:27 »
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.

actually the video is confusing on that part, first they say they are looking for the 2/3 rejected by stock agencies, then they talk about high quality pictures to drive more traffic, if they arent willing to try and get better contributors whats the point of building this "new" model so close to previous free sites..

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2012, 16:05 »
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Let's not forget Yotola's basic intent: Get lots of free images to fuel click-through and display ad revenue from their advertisers. It is not to compete with microstock agencies. It is to supply low quality images for low quality uses by unsophisticated users who value "free" over any other feature. And with low quality images (brilliant quality in their minds) suppliers will be satisfied with any payment no matter how low. It's more about recognition than renumeration.

actually the video is confusing on that part, first they say they are looking for the 2/3 rejected by stock agencies, then they talk about high quality pictures to drive more traffic, if they arent willing to try and get better contributors whats the point of building this "new" model so close to previous free sites..

Being that iSt*ck rejects 2/3's of my submissions, maybe I'll join Yotoli....Nah, I'll print them out and tie up them up in a bag with my Banoodle!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

vonkara

« Reply #97 on: June 19, 2012, 16:26 »
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What's funny is, he stole and is showing how to steal an image, then ask us to contribute to his scamstock website.

« Reply #98 on: June 20, 2012, 05:29 »
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The sad part is that there will likely be many photographers signing up, even members of this forum. History showed that if there is a promise of some income - even $0.01 a download - there will always be people that will join. :(

« Reply #99 on: June 20, 2012, 07:51 »
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The sad part is that there will likely be many photographers signing up, even members of this forum. History showed that if there is a promise of some income - even $0.01 a download - there will always be people that will join. :(


I dont see a single person posting in this thread willing to take the cent (are they hiding ashamed?)

for sure there will be tons of "togs" but not the ones wanting to keep their income and in a certain way wish to keep a reasonable perspective in the microstock business

sxc free site:
395859 photos online
104 pending
0 added today

running for 12 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock.xchng)

I believe they arent paying for downloads, that said Yotola might have a few more files because of that, I have talked with them and they have already a few contributors on their side


 

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