Quote from: ArtesiaWells on April 30, 2014, 22:45
Trust needs to be earned, and I don't think it helps to change conditions just because of our D-day reaction.

You are very right, Artesia. And the flip side of that is that once trust is lost, it's devilishly difficult to get it back.

I have a hunch that the one who has shot himself in the foot here is Oleg at Fotolia.

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 01, 2014, 00:06

Quote from: ouchie on April 30, 2014, 23:40

anyway how do i OPT OUT my fololia pics, while i decide if i want to shoot my other foot.

One of my photographer friends who is at Fotolia posted this after I alerted people on Facebook (I hope this helps; I'm not with Fotolia any more so I can't use my experience)

" I found it too - it is in Profile, then Contributor Parameters and as Jo Ann says, it is called the DPC"

thank you!
that was it, if anyone wants to not allow them to sell you photos on DPC (opt out) follow the above steps. thaks again.

Opted out...done.

Thanks for the opt out info.  That was VERY hidden.  Down right sneaky.  Kind of like when Kentucky Fried Chicken became "KFC" so you wouldn't notice the fried.

Another 40,000 less....

28,102,064 Royalty Free Stock Photos

Quote from: Pixart on May 01, 2014, 05:42
Another 40,000 less....

That quote got some likes... I hope no one thought I meant that I removed 40k of my own LOL.   I've been watching the numbers

Sigh.  I just started uploading a few here and there again after the last time I got mad at them and deleted so many....  here we go again!

removed 50 new
others following during the day...

Just to inform you guys here that I think over 30+ Thai microstockers already Opt out of DCP. And some of them have over 5000 great pictures and top quality illustration in their port. But I don't know yet who will actually deleting their port.

Anyway, the news are spreading to all people we can contact!!! 

Thanks for all the effort of everyone who want to save the microstock industries.

the number is going down

28,079,022 Royalty Free Stock Photos

I removed 50 picture.

I think the dollarphotclub will be growing in the next years, because its the cheapest non sub model in the microstock.

Shutterstock must be do something, or many buyers especially in europe will go to this agency. Fotolia will delete the opt out or the ranking without opt out will be uninteresting. We are in the hands of this agency and they are not very friendly.

Not many images are opt out at this time. I have take a look at food. There are round 3,650000 Images at DPC, fotolia 3,830000. So we must tell this to all contributors that there is an opt out and why it is urgent to do this.

Just saw this in a forum:
alfonso gutierrez: I´m glad to see that photographers are making their voice to be listened and are acting upon. http://boycottfotolia.org/

Alfonso Gutierrez is a photographer and the founder of Agefotostock and President of Cepic

Why invent the wheel? Cepic seems to do interesting work.

The text below should perhaps be given its own thread, but for the purpose of context I'll leave it in:
Cut from http://www.cepic.org/join_us

"What is CEPIC?

CEPIC stands for the Coordination of European Picture Agencies Stock, Press and Heritage. It aims to be the centre of the picture industry.
As the Center of the Picture Industry, CEPIC federates nearly a thousand of picture agencies and photo libraries in 20 countries across Europe, both within and outside the European Union. It has affiliates in North America and Asia. CEPIC's membership includes large and smaller stock photo libraries, major photo news agencies, art galleries and museums, video companies. CEPIC has among its members the big global players such as Getty and Corbis. Through this membership, CEPIC represents more than 150.000 authors in direct licensing. The annual CEPIC Congress is the largest global gathering of the international photo community and extends CEPIC's network on all five continents. CEPIC has been a member of IPTC since 2005 and of ICOMP since 2009.

Our members are producers, collectors and distributors of content – moving and still images. They are well versed in dealing with rights issues such as the right to reproduce, moral rights of authors and the global distribution of assets for commercial and non commercial use. Our members have been digitising content for over 15 years, and making the resulting digital asset available for commercial use, such as to newspapers, magazines and broadcasters, off and on-line, as well as in non- commercial environments for the purposes of research and education.

Alongside the need for access comes the need to support the creative economy that produces and delivers this work, namely the artists and those that make their work available. CEPIC's imperative is to ensure that the creators are the beneficiary of direct payment. We believe that based on its professionalism and IT experience, our industry is in a position to propose solutions to the challenges of the Digital Age.

The aim of CEPIC is to be a united voice for the press, stock & heritage organisations of Europe in all matters pertaining to the photographic industry, including, but not limited to the following:

(1) To consolidate copyright protection for photography and ensure that it not be weakened by the process of the harmonisation of copyright laws in European countries. Also to advise on copyright protection as new technology develops.

(2) To fight for comparable trade regulations in all European countries. The now existing different copyright laws in single countries and the lack of a "droit moral" for photography are serious trade barriers which cannot be accepted.

(3) To support the exchange of information between European picture sources and diverse associations with similar interests worldwide.

(4) To develop and fight for ethical standards which will guarantee the protection of rights for all photographers, copyright holders and agencies.

(5) To develop guidelines for a fair business competition between photographers, picture agencies and users."

If we want to exist in future, wen need an organization.

Removed 83 more. Total: 203
Ill delete more later.

Started to remove images from fotolia ... (and uploaded new files to my own independent Symbiostock site)

My wife has just changed her profile to opt out too.

Quote from: ArtesiaWells on May 01, 2014, 08:49
Just saw this in a forum:
alfonso gutierrez: I´m glad to see that photographers are making their voice to be listened and are acting upon. http://boycottfotolia.org/

Alfonso Gutierrez is a photographer and the founder of Agefotostock and President of Cepic

Why invent the wheel? Cepic seems to do interesting work.

The text below should perhaps be given its own thread, but for the purpose of context I'll leave it in:
Cut from http://www.cepic.org/join_us

"What is CEPIC?

CEPIC stands for the Coordination of European Picture Agencies Stock, Press and Heritage. It aims to be the centre of the picture industry.
As the Center of the Picture Industry, CEPIC federates nearly a thousand of picture agencies and photo libraries in 20 countries across Europe, both within and outside the European Union. It has affiliates in North America and Asia. CEPIC's membership includes large and smaller stock photo libraries, major photo news agencies, art galleries and museums, video companies. CEPIC has among its members the big global players such as Getty and Corbis. Through this membership, CEPIC represents more than 150.000 authors in direct licensing. The annual CEPIC Congress is the largest global gathering of the international photo community and extends CEPIC's network on all five continents. CEPIC has been a member of IPTC since 2005 and of ICOMP since 2009.

Our members are producers, collectors and distributors of content – moving and still images. They are well versed in dealing with rights issues such as the right to reproduce, moral rights of authors and the global distribution of assets for commercial and non commercial use. Our members have been digitising content for over 15 years, and making the resulting digital asset available for commercial use, such as to newspapers, magazines and broadcasters, off and on-line, as well as in non- commercial environments for the purposes of research and education.

Alongside the need for access comes the need to support the creative economy that produces and delivers this work, namely the artists and those that make their work available. CEPIC's imperative is to ensure that the creators are the beneficiary of direct payment. We believe that based on its professionalism and IT experience, our industry is in a position to propose solutions to the challenges of the Digital Age.

The aim of CEPIC is to be a united voice for the press, stock & heritage organisations of Europe in all matters pertaining to the photographic industry, including, but not limited to the following:

(1) To consolidate copyright protection for photography and ensure that it not be weakened by the process of the harmonisation of copyright laws in European countries. Also to advise on copyright protection as new technology develops.

(2) To fight for comparable trade regulations in all European countries. The now existing different copyright laws in single countries and the lack of a "droit moral" for photography are serious trade barriers which cannot be accepted.

(3) To support the exchange of information between European picture sources and diverse associations with similar interests worldwide.

(4) To develop and fight for ethical standards which will guarantee the protection of rights for all photographers, copyright holders and agencies.

(5) To develop guidelines for a fair business competition between photographers, picture agencies and users."

Unfortunately CEPIC and similar organisations have shown little interest in the interest of artists like us, originally perceived much as a threat rather than the huge pool of talent waiting to be represented that we are.

Collective action is the only way we've achieved change in the past at places like iStock and now Fotolia - the efforts of those who drive it are greatly appreciated.

Quote from: bolsher on May 01, 2014, 08:32
I think the dollarphotclub will be growing in the next years, because its the cheapest non sub model in the microstock.

Shutterstock must be do something, or many buyers especially in europe will go to this agency. Fotolia will delete the opt out or the ranking without opt out will be uninteresting. We are in the hands of this agency and they are not very friendly.

Not many images are opt out at this time. I have take a look at food. There are round 3,650000 Images at DPC, fotolia 3,830000. So we must tell this to all contributors that there is an opt out and why it is urgent to do this.

That is why it is crucial that we keep on spreading the word about this fiasco to fellow contributors.

There are still loads of content providers that have no clue about the existence of DPC and D-Day. There's no way many contributors will keep their files in the DPC on their own accord. The quality content providers will not be able to afford that: it is unsustainable. It will cannibalise sales on the other agencies and we will not get enough income to make it worthwhile to continue in this industry. 

The DPC library will eventually be decimated up to a point when it will no longer be an interesting option for buyers.

If Fotolia have it their way with this, what's next?

Removed all 25 sold few of them only, bud the same ones are selling well on SS so bye bye FT

Quote from: fotoVoyager on May 01, 2014, 10:01

Quote from: ArtesiaWells on May 01, 2014, 08:49
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Unfortunately CEPIC and similar organisations have shown little interest in the interest of artists like us, originally perceived much as a threat rather than the huge pool of talent waiting to be represented that we are.

Collective action is the only way we've achieved change in the past at places like iStock and now Fotolia - the efforts of those who drive it are greatly appreciated.

I dont see anything mentioned about getting better royalties and pricing either.

Quote from: fotoVoyager on May 01, 2014, 10:01

Quote from: ArtesiaWells on May 01, 2014, 08:49
Just saw this in a forum:
alfonso gutierrez: I´m glad to see that photographers are making their voice to be listened and are acting upon. http://boycottfotolia.org/

Alfonso Gutierrez is a photographer and the founder of Agefotostock and President of Cepic

Why invent the wheel? Cepic seems to do interesting work.

The text below should perhaps be given its own thread, but for the purpose of context I'll leave it in:
Cut from http://www.cepic.org/join_us

"What is CEPIC?

(1) To consolidate copyright protection for photography and ensure that it not be weakened by the process of the harmonisation of copyright laws in European countries. Also to advise on copyright protection as new technology develops.

(2) To fight for comparable trade regulations in all European countries. The now existing different copyright laws in single countries and the lack of a "droit moral" for photography are serious trade barriers which cannot be accepted.

(3) To support the exchange of information between European picture sources and diverse associations with similar interests worldwide.

(4) To develop and fight for ethical standards which will guarantee the protection of rights for all photographers, copyright holders and agencies.

(5) To develop guidelines for a fair business competition between photographers, picture agencies and users."

Unfortunately CEPIC and similar organisations have shown little interest in the interest of artists like us, originally perceived much as a threat rather than the huge pool of talent waiting to be represented that we are.

Appreciate the information.
How sad though...

Someone suggested a newsletter for all photographers.
Mailchimp is free up to 2000 subscribers..

Quote from: pixsol on May 01, 2014, 08:07
28,079,022 Royalty Free Stock Photos

28,040,749

Almost below 28m.

I don't trust Fotolia anything anymore. I even think they'll be manipulating these number of pictures in their library.