Again, it comes down to YOUR clips. Which is completely natural, you should do what you want with YOUR clips. Just like ANYONE should do what THEY want with THEIR clips.

I look at my bottom line. I see the numbers I get from each agency and then I decide what works or not.

If I make 8 sales from VB in a month that's nice, but 150 sales from a cheaper site is nicer if that means more $.

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Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 13:32
Not exactly sure what the relevance is there, I don't participate in the subscription program at Videoblocks. I make $47.16 a sale, and don't compete against myself by accepting $2.88 elsewhere instead.

It's extremely relevant since you were concerned about hurting the business as a whole.

Uploading to VB means you support them and help them in their marketing to get membership customers who download thousands of clips for next to nothing. Much cheaper than VH.

Those membership customers don't have access to my clips. I do not participate. Of course I'm not a fan of the sub programs. It's called picking battles. Just because I state that getting punched in the face by VH is bad, it doesn't mean I think getting kicked in the stomach by VB's sub program is good. The world isn't that black and white. IF my clips were included, I would not support them. And much like Pond5's sub, often the better clips are not included, so my $50/100% clips are there available for purchase.

Sorry, but I do not understand your battle, although I was with you until a year ago.
VH I believe sells their clips for $10, P5 for as little as $4.
VH pays a royalty to artists for each sale, I believe in average more than 30%, which is not bad compared to others.
P5 as far as I know doesn't pay anything to artists for each sale, just half a peanut per month per file, regardless of the tens of thousand of sales

"150 sales from a cheaper site is nicer if that means more $."

And this is where people like you and people like me can never seem to agree. It's short-term thinking for a life-long business.

"Again, it comes down to YOUR clips. Which is completely natural, you should do what you want with YOUR clips. Just like ANYONE should do what THEY want with THEIR clips."

I can only control where I put my clips. You can do what you want. I choose to keep the value up, you choose to drive the value down. Never said you can't. Just pointing out why undercutting is flawed logic.

Quote from: Brightontl on February 21, 2017, 14:01

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 13:47

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on February 21, 2017, 13:35

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 13:32
Not exactly sure what the relevance is there, I don't participate in the subscription program at Videoblocks. I make $47.16 a sale, and don't compete against myself by accepting $2.88 elsewhere instead.

It's extremely relevant since you were concerned about hurting the business as a whole.

Uploading to VB means you support them and help them in their marketing to get membership customers who download thousands of clips for next to nothing. Much cheaper than VH.

Those membership customers don't have access to my clips. I do not participate. Of course I'm not a fan of the sub programs. It's called picking battles. Just because I state that getting punched in the face by VH is bad, it doesn't mean I think getting kicked in the stomach by VB's sub program is good. The world isn't that black and white. IF my clips were included, I would not support them. And much like Pond5's sub, often the better clips are not included, so my $50/100% clips are there available for purchase.

Sorry, but I do not understand your battle, although I was with you until a year ago.
VH I believe sells their clips for $10, P5 for as little as $4.
VH pays a royalty to artists for each sale, I believe in average more than 30%, which is not bad compared to others.
P5 as far as I know doesn't pay anything to artists for each sale, just half a peanut per month per file, regardless of the tens of thousand of sales

I don't and wouldn't participate in Pond5's sub program. My HD/4K clips are not available at that $4 price point, and I make 50% a sale. All I can personally do is be responsible to myself as to where I choose to sell, and do my best to offer my reasoning. We all have to make our own decisions.

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 14:06
"150 sales from a cheaper site is nicer if that means more $."

And this is where people like you and people like me can never seem to agree. It's short-term thinking for a life-long business.

"Again, it comes down to YOUR clips. Which is completely natural, you should do what you want with YOUR clips. Just like ANYONE should do what THEY want with THEIR clips."

I can only control where I put my clips. You can do what you want. I choose to keep the value up, you choose to drive the value down. Never said you can't. Just pointing out why undercutting is flawed logic.

I respect anyone's personal choices. Just not double morals and telling others where and where not to sell...

Why on earth should prices for something remain the same for all eternity when the cost of producing is a fraction of what it used to be and the limited budget market demand is 100,000 times higher than it used to be? Just to satisfy one's ego with single pricing?

Why do the world's biggest artists sell tracks for $0.99? Don't they value their work? They do, and they sell lots of those tracks.

I know I just look for the best ratio between buyers/supply as that's where I stand the best chance of selling the most.

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on February 21, 2017, 14:18

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 14:06
"150 sales from a cheaper site is nicer if that means more $."

And this is where people like you and people like me can never seem to agree. It's short-term thinking for a life-long business.

"Again, it comes down to YOUR clips. Which is completely natural, you should do what you want with YOUR clips. Just like ANYONE should do what THEY want with THEIR clips."

I can only control where I put my clips. You can do what you want. I choose to keep the value up, you choose to drive the value down. Never said you can't. Just pointing out why undercutting is flawed logic.

I respect anyone's personal choices. Just not double morals and telling others where and where not to sell...

Why on earth should prices for something remain the same for all eternity when the cost of producing is a fraction of what it used to be and the limited budget market demand is 100,000 times higher than it used to be? Just to satisfy one's ego with single pricing?

Why do the world's biggest artists sell tracks for $0.99? Don't they value their work? They do, and they sell lots of those tracks.

I know I just look for the best ratio between buyers/supply as that's where I stand the best chance of selling the most.

Never once told anyone what to do, only offered my opinion. My "morals" have been consistent, feel free to point out specifically where they haven't. If you misunderstood me, I'm sorry about that.

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 14:12

Quote from: Brightontl on February 21, 2017, 14:01

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 13:47

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on February 21, 2017, 13:35

Quote from: Daryl Ray on February 21, 2017, 13:32
Not exactly sure what the relevance is there, I don't participate in the subscription program at Videoblocks. I make $47.16 a sale, and don't compete against myself by accepting $2.88 elsewhere instead.

It's extremely relevant since you were concerned about hurting the business as a whole.

Uploading to VB means you support them and help them in their marketing to get membership customers who download thousands of clips for next to nothing. Much cheaper than VH.

Those membership customers don't have access to my clips. I do not participate. Of course I'm not a fan of the sub programs. It's called picking battles. Just because I state that getting punched in the face by VH is bad, it doesn't mean I think getting kicked in the stomach by VB's sub program is good. The world isn't that black and white. IF my clips were included, I would not support them. And much like Pond5's sub, often the better clips are not included, so my $50/100% clips are there available for purchase.

Sorry, but I do not understand your battle, although I was with you until a year ago.
VH I believe sells their clips for $10, P5 for as little as $4.
VH pays a royalty to artists for each sale, I believe in average more than 30%, which is not bad compared to others.
P5 as far as I know doesn't pay anything to artists for each sale, just half a peanut per month per file, regardless of the tens of thousand of sales

I don't and wouldn't participate in Pond5's sub program. My HD/4K clips are not available at that $4 price point, and I make 50% a sale. All I can personally do is be responsible to myself as to where I choose to sell, and do my best to offer my reasoning. We all have to make our own decisions.

Well, if you don't have files in the membership, then you are standing for your ideas and I appreciate it.
I was thinking just like you until the membership started and hoping that we could enjoy nice prices for another few years.
I cannot afford it anymore after the price dumping of P5 and I am under the impression that single digit for a file is now the new normal

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 21, 2017, 07:38
Only one week to go until the end of the month, and still nothing. Sales have been normal on all other sites. Ah well, these things happen! One thing I have found a few times, which is a bit strange, is that if I've not had any sales for the last week, or last few days of the month..... I get like two or three in the first hour of the next month. Could be some cunning ploy to delay payouts for a month, could be pure coincidence. Ah well... tomorrow is another day!

I already read about this behaviour in a Stock Footage blog (in Italian), and the author draws the same conclusion as yours.

It's raining sales today after a long period of silence.

I also think they're holding sales since unrelated clips always seem to sell on the same day followed by longer periods of nothing.

I've seen multiple sales on the first day of the month and then only a few scattered throughout the rest of the month.  Might have to do with a subscription, not sure.  Either way, sales have been good with Videoblocks.

VB told me that they were not reporting sales since the 15th, but today it is working again. I was receiving the emails and suddenly today the sales appeared on the site from the past week.

Just got my first sale of the month. Happy days. Hopefully I'll get another nine in the six remaining days of the month! Won't hold my breath though.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 23, 2017, 08:50
Just got my first sale of the month. Happy days. Hopefully I'll get another nine in the six remaining days of the month! Won't hold my breath though.

Judging by previous sales behavior it's not entirely unlikely!

Fingers crossed... a handful of 4K ones would be nice! Only had one there so far, but an email saying you've made $191.54 from one sale is always a welcome surprise.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 23, 2017, 09:41
a handful of 4K ones would be nice! Only had one there so far

Me too, but at the other site I sell 4k almost every day... That tells you something about pricing all 4k at $199... even if it's a static clip of grass.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 23, 2017, 08:50
Just got my first sale of the month. Happy days. Hopefully I'll get another nine in the six remaining days of the month! Won't hold my breath though.

Can you please tell me how many downloads you get at Videoblocks per month?

For me I get around 3-8 downloads per month... but this month (Feb) get 4 until now ... all with 44.8$ per download (never get 4k though).

I make animations.

Quote from: WindyTai on February 23, 2017, 17:27

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 23, 2017, 08:50
Just got my first sale of the month. Happy days. Hopefully I'll get another nine in the six remaining days of the month! Won't hold my breath though.

Can you please tell me how many downloads you get at Videoblocks per month?

For me I get around 3-8 downloads per month... but this month (Feb) get 4 until now ... all with 44.8$ per download (never get 4k though).

I make animations.

For the last six months or so, it's been pretty consistent with 10 or 11 downloads per month, with one month where there was five. Just one so far this month.

I'm very happy with Videoblocks this year. Sales are more than double compared to VB average of 2016.

My sales at Videoblocks are already literally infinitely better this year than last year.

Perhaps I should add that I had 0 sales in 2016 and 1 sale in 2017.

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Quote from: WindyTai on February 23, 2017, 17:27

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 23, 2017, 08:50
Just got my first sale of the month. Happy days. Hopefully I'll get another nine in the six remaining days of the month! Won't hold my breath though.

Can you please tell me how many downloads you get at Videoblocks per month?

For me I get around 3-8 downloads per month... but this month (Feb) get 4 until now ... all with 44.8$ per download (never get 4k though).

I make animations.

For the last six months or so, it's been pretty consistent with 10 or 11 downloads per month, with one month where there was five. Just one so far this month.

Thanks for sharing

No worries. Ended up with two sales last month. Hopefully this month will be a bit better.

Last sale december 21th.
Before that minimum of 5 sales a month.

Still someone else with zero sales this year?

Going pretty steady here. June/July last year were slow though.

Had three sales just yesterday.