BTW, I came across this copy/paste "feature" in the editing pane when I accidentally overwrote keywords of another image while not paying attention.  I'm sure this feature was in fact a bug, but I've found it to speed my annotation considerably.  This was one bug that could have been left alone.

Maybe i havent noticed, but the biggest tweak we need is the ability to search our portfolios and extract to collections that we can display elsewhere to direct people to our portfolio

Quote from: Reimar on July 19, 2020, 17:50
That is a useful video Mat.  But that's not useful for me.  I don't pick my 10 top keywords until the image is approved.  Why waste time if the image is rejected, right?
So I'm talking about editing the keywords after approval.  And for that, the UI is awful.  You can't see all the keywords so shuffling them around is a real pain.  If I have a similar image series, there is no way (now) to copy and paste.
Making the editing box full screen so we can see all keywords would go a long way to making this less painful.

Changing your keywords after the image has been approved is a pretty bad workflow. Our system is not set up for that and I don't anticipate it will be moving forward. It's never allowed for this by the way so the change to the releases UI did not have any impact.

Bulk keyword changes on previously approved content can open the door for keyword spammers which is bad for everyone. I strongly recommend that you submit your content with the assumption it will be approved and have the keywords in the proper order. You are only making things harder on yourself other wise.

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward

I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

Quote from: Reimar on July 20, 2020, 17:01
I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

I hear you. I would advise you spend extra time ensuring you are eliminating the editorial use only content from your collections before uploading. That will save you (and us) a lot of time and effort through the process. I do appreciate your feedback and your patience.

-Mat

Quote from: MatHayward on July 20, 2020, 19:17

Quote from: Reimar on July 20, 2020, 17:01
I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

I hear you. I would advise you spend extra time ensuring you are eliminating the editorial use only content from your collections before uploading. That will save you (and us) a lot of time and effort through the process. I do appreciate your feedback and your patience.

-Mat

i've noticed that sometimes 'editorial' images are accepted where the people aren't the primary focus - eg, crowds, markets, tourist sites - is there a policy for this or justup to the individual reviewer?

Quote from: MatHayward on July 20, 2020, 19:17
I hear you.

Please, hear also voices about choosing top 10 keywords! Adobe still uses old Fotolia system for that, and that system is horrible!
How hard can it be to show all keywords at once and let us choose "the important ten" by just clicking on them?

Choosing the 10 most important keywords is a tedious process. It takes many days when there are many images.

I second this. Creating something similar to Alamy where you can click on the keyword to mark it as the most important one would be really great.

or eliminate keyword ordering entirely!  the 'top 10' keywords will vary by buyer

Keyword order relevance is an archaic system that Adobe keeps dragging from the past. I hope it will go away someday as keyword relevancy should be commanded by buyers , never the contributor or the agency.

The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

Quote from: Reimar on October 16, 2020, 16:47
The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

It works with some browsers and not with some others.
This demonstrates how the site is badly developed...
(A well developed site should work well on all platforms and with any browser)

Quote from: Chichikov on October 16, 2020, 17:38

Quote from: Reimar on October 16, 2020, 16:47
The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

It works with some browsers and not with some others.
This demonstrates how the site is badly developed...
(A well developed site should work well on all platforms and with any browser)

I don't think that's it.  Both Firefox and Chrome no longer allow moving keywords.  AS broke something, but as Matt says: they're not too interested in making it easier to make edits after acceptance.

The post selection image edit function is back to "normal" so that one can move keywords again.  I guess someone is fiddling with the code.

As it has transformed into a wider discussion on UI and the usage of keywords - if we had simple statistics next to all the images, how many times our image has been viewed in the search results, it would give valuable feedback, whether certain images have not been found or have just not been chosen. This way people would know, whether it is the quality of the photo or the keywords that need to be improved.

So any time a logged-in client makes a search, all the photos in the pages he opens receive a new view in the counter.

When a contributor checks out the statistics of the unsuccessful images, he at least has the statistics on where the problem was. If an image has been viewed many times but never bought - it is clear that the problem is in the photo quality or irrelevant keywords. But if an image has never been viewed, the photo is either on a non popular topic or does not have the keywords people look for.

Quote from: [email protected] on November 12, 2020, 20:54
As it has transformed into a wider discussion on UI and the usage of keywords - if we had simple statistics next to all the images, how many times our image has been viewed in the search results, it would give valuable feedback, whether certain images have not been found or have just not been chosen. This way people would know, whether it is the quality of the photo or the keywords that need to be improved.

So any time a logged-in client makes a search, all the photos in the pages he opens receive a new view in the counter.

When a contributor checks out the statistics of the unsuccessful images, he at least has the statistics on where the problem was. If an image has been viewed many times but never bought - it is clear that the problem is in the photo quality or irrelevant keywords. But if an image has never been viewed, the photo is either on a non popular topic or does not have the keywords people look for.

I can't find fault with anything you wrote. All duly noted.

-Mat

Quote from: MatHayward on November 12, 2020, 21:32

Quote from: [email protected] on November 12, 2020, 20:54
As it has transformed into a wider discussion on UI and the usage of keywords - if we had simple statistics next to all the images, how many times our image has been viewed in the search results, it would give valuable feedback, whether certain images have not been found or have just not been chosen. This way people would know, whether it is the quality of the photo or the keywords that need to be improved.

So any time a logged-in client makes a search, all the photos in the pages he opens receive a new view in the counter.

When a contributor checks out the statistics of the unsuccessful images, he at least has the statistics on where the problem was. If an image has been viewed many times but never bought - it is clear that the problem is in the photo quality or irrelevant keywords. But if an image has never been viewed, the photo is either on a non popular topic or does not have the keywords people look for.

I can't find fault with anything you wrote. All duly noted.

-Mat

I agree, Mat.

The OP offers an excellent suggestion with good explanation for why it would be beneficial.