Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 18:31

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

May I ask what percentage of your total revenue you make at VectorStock?

I have never dealt with VectorStock before. But if it was worth it, I would take a closer look at the agency.

VectorStock is slow
It starts with 25% per DL but in time it gets better
I get 10% of my income from them.
I recomend it - as long as you have patience

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 19:47

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 18:31

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

May I ask what percentage of your total revenue you make at VectorStock?

I have never dealt with VectorStock before. But if it was worth it, I would take a closer look at the agency.

VectorStock is slow
It starts with 25% per DL but in time it gets better
I get 10% of my income from them.
I recomend it - as long as you have patience

Thank you for your honest answer! 10% should be worth it. I will give them a try.

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

Please if you had vector sales in Vecteesy share with us your experience . I think it's interesting marketplace !

@nazlisart, you are clearly a talented illustrator.

Why would you devalue your work by selling somewhere like Vecteezy? As someone who has been approached repeatedly by them, and even offered cash incentives to upload I don't understand why anyone who values their work would take the bait.

They are as bad, if not worse, than Freepik was at their worst point. Giving away loads of work for free for $5 per 1000 dls or sell your work to  subscribers paying $9 per month for UNLIMITED downloads. It's madness. I can't really imagine a worse deal.

Also full of stolen stuff like this:

https://www.vecteezy.com/members/freevector

The owners are running a stock image site without even understanding how licensing works. They think they are covered as long as they sell this stuff as "editorial", even though the uploader clearly doesn't have copyright of the images.

There couldn't be a worse deal/ site out there so very curious as to how they get anyone legit to sign up.

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 20:54

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 19:47

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 18:31

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

May I ask what percentage of your total revenue you make at VectorStock?

I have never dealt with VectorStock before. But if it was worth it, I would take a closer look at the agency.

VectorStock is slow
It starts with 25% per DL but in time it gets better
I get 10% of my income from them.
I recomend it - as long as you have patience

Thank you for your honest answer! 10% should be worth it. I will give them a try.

I have now taken a closer look at VectorStock and have decided not to upload there. I don't like the pricing structure for contributors. For subscription sales you only get $0.20. From that I have to deduct 3% for paypal. The result is € 0.17, not even 45% of what I get at AS. For an extended license at VectorStock $7.50 to a maximum of $10.50. This does not meet my expectations.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on February 21, 2022, 13:49
@nazlisart, you are clearly a talented illustrator.

Why would you devalue your work by selling somewhere like Vecteezy? As someone who has been approached repeatedly by them, and even offered cash incentives to upload I don't understand why anyone who values their work would take the bait.

They are as bad, if not worse, than Freepik was at their worst point. Giving away loads of work for free for $5 per 1000 dls or sell your work to  subscribers paying $9 per month for UNLIMITED downloads. It's madness. I can't really imagine a worse deal.

Also full of stolen stuff like this:

https://www.vecteezy.com/members/freevector

The owners are running a stock image site without even understanding how licensing works. They think they are covered as long as they sell this stuff as "editorial", even though the uploader clearly doesn't have copyright of the images.

There couldn't be a worse deal/ site out there so very curious as to how they get anyone legit to sign up.

@Justanotherphotographer
Dear friend you are right!
I reread the pricing structure and I realized that someone could download my whole portfolio for just $14...
They approached me sometime last year when I was not active. As part of my decision to came back I included them in my effort to renew and expand my activity.
Thank you for bringing how bad they are in my attention!
I just applied to withdraw the files I have uploaded so far...

P.S. The 130 or so files that have already been uploaded will be deleted from their library IN ONE YEAR as per "contributor's agreement"... very sloppy job on my behalf I have to admit...

@Wilm
I disagree about VectorStock. Subscription are relatively low in relation to Credit purchases. My RPD in VS is greater than that of SS after commissions restructuring. They are not the best, but they are not the worst either. I have consistent sales there and would still recommend it.

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Quote from: Wilm on February 21, 2022, 16:22

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 20:54

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 19:47

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 18:31

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

May I ask what percentage of your total revenue you make at VectorStock?

I have never dealt with VectorStock before. But if it was worth it, I would take a closer look at the agency.

VectorStock is slow
It starts with 25% per DL but in time it gets better
I get 10% of my income from them.
I recomend it - as long as you have patience

Thank you for your honest answer! 10% should be worth it. I will give them a try.

I have now taken a closer look at VectorStock and have decided not to upload there. I don't like the pricing structure for contributors. For subscription sales you only get $0.20. From that I have to deduct 3% for paypal. The result is € 0.17, not even 45% of what I get at AS. For an extended license at VectorStock $7.50 to a maximum of $10.50. This does not meet my expectations.

I don't mean to slander, but I think you have very high expectations from the Microstock business...
Circa 2012 such expectations started spiraling to a slow and painful death I'm afraid.
ADOBE Stock is a beacon of decency and hope for contributors, but if you contribute only to them, you do not take full advantage of your stock portfolio.

Quote from: nazlisart on February 21, 2022, 22:52
@Justanotherphotographer
Dear friend you are right!
I reread the pricing structure and I realized that someone could download my whole portfolio for just $14...
They approached me sometime last year when I was not active. As part of my decision to came back I included them in my effort to renew and expand my activity.
Thank you for bringing how bad they are in my attention!
I just applied to withdraw the files I have uploaded so far...

P.S. The 130 or so files that have already been uploaded will be deleted from their library IN ONE YEAR as per "contributor's agreement"... very sloppy job on my behalf I have to admit...

@Wilm
I disagree about VectorStock. Subscription are relatively low in relation to Credit purchases. My RPD in VS is greater than that of SS after commissions restructuring. They are not the best, but they are not the worst either. I have consistent sales there and would still recommend it.

I thought it had to be a mistake with top quality work like yours! At least you only have a small part of your portfolio on there. Sorry they have trapped it for a year. At least it stands as a warning to others.

Quote from: nazlisart on February 21, 2022, 23:28

Quote from: Wilm on February 21, 2022, 16:22

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 20:54

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 19:47

Quote from: Wilm on February 20, 2022, 18:31

Quote from: nazlisart on February 20, 2022, 18:13
I'm an illustrator and I contribute predominantly vectors.
I have ~1500 vectors in all agencies listed below. I make $25-50 every month in 123RF; it used to be $50-100 three years back, but after the "restructure" it dropped.
It is also fair to say that due to other activities I haven't uploaded for about a year and a half, so I can't say what the numbers could be if I was consistent. I've started again this year, so I'll be able to be more accurate if you ask me in 2023.
For 2021 here are the agencies I contributed in order of income:
1. SS
2. AS (looks like it will soon become #1)
3. iS
4. VectorStock
5. 123RF
6. DP
7. Alami (!)
8. Canstock
9. ENVATO (Graphic River)
10. DT, Big, Pond5 (I check them out every Christmas for a small end-of-the-year bonus)

Special mention needs to be made for ENVATO's Graphic River. They can be a major stream of income if you're good on what you are doing, BUT...
Uploading the same set-up as the rest of the agencies won't cut it. It has different philosophy and different audience, and it needs a more labor-intensive approach in preparing and presenting your artwork. You have to give this special attention if you don't want to have 2/3 of your submission rejected as well as to have some success over there.

Recently I started uploading my portfolio in Vecteesy.  I'm still in the process and I don't have any sales yet, but - It has more traffic than VectorStock and this is something that makes me optimistic for future gains.

I hope that was helpful.
Cheers

May I ask what percentage of your total revenue you make at VectorStock?

I have never dealt with VectorStock before. But if it was worth it, I would take a closer look at the agency.

VectorStock is slow
It starts with 25% per DL but in time it gets better
I get 10% of my income from them.
I recomend it - as long as you have patience

Thank you for your honest answer! 10% should be worth it. I will give them a try.

I have now taken a closer look at VectorStock and have decided not to upload there. I don't like the pricing structure for contributors. For subscription sales you only get $0.20. From that I have to deduct 3% for paypal. The result is € 0.17, not even 45% of what I get at AS. For an extended license at VectorStock $7.50 to a maximum of $10.50. This does not meet my expectations.

I don't mean to slander, but I think you have very high expectations from the Microstock business...
Circa 2012 such expectations started spiraling to a slow and painful death I'm afraid.
ADOBE Stock is a beacon of decency and hope for contributors, but if you contribute only to them, you do not take full advantage of your stock portfolio.

Thanks for your information and thoughts, nazlisart.

I do not only offer at AS. I am also at shutterstock, 123rf, istock, dreamstime, canstock and depositphotos.

But I still have one question: You write that your RPD is higher than with shutterstock. To which shutterstock level is this referring?
Or, in other words: What is your RPD with Vectorstock?

Thanks for your information and thoughts, nazlisart.

I do not only offer at AS. I am also at shutterstock, 123rf, istock, dreamstime, canstock and depositphotos.

But I still have one question: You write that your RPD is higher than with shutterstock. To which shutterstock level is this referring?
Or, in other words: What is your RPD with Vectorstock?
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I'm at Level 4 at the moment and I expect to be at level 5 late at spring.
I'm talking overall after SS restructure. Also note that the VS RPD is calculated from the beginning when I was at Level 1 (25%) - now I'm at Level 3 (35%) (FOR LIFE not for 6 months as it is in SS)
My VS RPD=$0.56

IMO VS is a profitable addition to vector illustrators.

Quote from: nazlisart on February 22, 2022, 14:14


Thanks for your information and thoughts, nazlisart.

I do not only offer at AS. I am also at shutterstock, 123rf, istock, dreamstime, canstock and depositphotos.

But I still have one question: You write that your RPD is higher than with shutterstock. To which shutterstock level is this referring?
Or, in other words: What is your RPD with Vectorstock?

I'm at Level 4 at the moment and I expect to be at level 5 late at spring.
I'm talking overall after SS restructure. Also note that the VS RPD is calculated from the beginning when I was at Level 1 (25%) - now I'm at Level 3 (35%) (FOR LIFE not for 6 months as it is in SS)
My VS RPD=$0.56

IMO VS is a profitable addition to vector illustrators.
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Thank you very much once more!

Quote from: nazlisart on February 22, 2022, 14:14

I'm at Level 4 at the moment and I expect to be at level 5 late at spring.
I'm talking overall after SS restructure. Also note that the VS RPD is calculated from the beginning when I was at Level 1 (25%) - now I'm at Level 3 (35%) (FOR LIFE not for 6 months as it is in SS)
My VS RPD=$0.56

IMO VS is a profitable addition to vector illustrators.

I never looked at VectorStock. I did look at vecteezy with entire accounts or stolen images and wholesale infringing accounts, and then wiped that site off my list of ever looking at again.

So please help me out. https://www.vectorstock.com/free-vectors I see free vectors? 924,585 of them, but the pay section is worth trying?

Thanks for the personal comments, maybe I should try VectorStock. I know I'm not as good as most people here, who are serious, but maybe another bit of income wouldn't hurt?

Hello all
I just want to say that my files was accepted at 123Rf in less that 12 hours !
fast than Shutterstock this days 🤣

Quote from: nazlisart on February 22, 2022, 14:14

IMO VS is a profitable addition to vector illustrators.

I see only two levels. First 500 downloads and then after that. Also I see 20¢ subs. I just joined and got accepted, and I'm wondering what I might expect from VectorStock? They list rates for exclusive and non-exclusive. I won't be doing anything exclusive. But also some other licenses. What's your experience on the variety of downloads?

Am I going to need 500 20¢ to make the $100 minimum payout?

I haven't uploaded anything but I'm starting to like the one zip, all file pairs part. Maybe tomorrow.

Thanks for bringing  them up.