Quote from: rod-09 on May 26, 2022, 08:06
@Brasilnut - Thanks for posting the video. Great interview!
Are you Brazilian?

Thanks Emeric!

I am!

I was once with an agency called "The Stock Market."

Then they were acquired by Corbis.

The Stock Market collection was then known as Corbis Stock Market.

Then eventually they all went under the Corbis.

It was mentioned in the interview about how artists also buy footage making their own blogs and things now, and maybe would not be able to do that if stock footage wasn't available at lower prices.

But I'd rather not sell clips at all that for 25c a time. Every time I get a footage sale for that price it feels like an insult.

And perhaps if it wasn't for footage selling for lower prices artists wouldn't feel the need to make other videos to make money, if the prices were higher artists could and would concentrate on shooting footage and nothing else.

Também sou

Quote from: StockGuy101 on May 26, 2022, 12:23
SS bought P5 to reduce competition.  It's that simple.  Because of that, one day, P5 will be shuttered and "dissolved" into SS.  How and when that happens is anyone's guess.

While I believe them when this guy says nothing at P5 is changing in the immediate future, the end is definitely coming.  I bet they just don't have the exact plan in place yet....

why would SS close P5 when they havent done so w other acquisitions? P5 is no longer a competitor, but now an additional source of income and potential buyers

Quote from: cascoly on May 26, 2022, 19:25
why would SS close P5 when they havent done so w other acquisitions? P5 is no longer a competitor, but now an additional source of income and potential buyers

Ok, I'll rephrase my original thought.

SS bought P5 to acquire P5's customers.

In the end, the result will be the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

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Time to hit the road, Gumroad, that is. Videohive is also very lucrative all of a sudden,
Creative Market could be good too...
It's like playing cat and a mouse game,
They drop, we leave to other markets, they'll buy the other markets, we will ALWAYS find a way
to avoid selling ourselves for cheap. They live in denial, so be it.

And here it is! As we all expected - but so fast?

Subs was unavoidable at P5. I think nearly every client is on that page now. What I am looking is royalties and fair share. The problem with SS and the reason I am not with them is that they don't share revenue with contributors unless you think 15% or 20% is a fair share for you.

P5 exclusive is 60% now. They might to try to run this down sooner than later so I am sure the exodus will slowly begin again as it did with SS. Those crooks just don't deserve to work with artists.

Does it still make sense to be exclusive if the subscriptions already compete.

I think it is time to go not exclusive and spread the footages everywhere.
And producing new footages and even if you still have many: keywording is still worth it? Hmm

Quote from: kall3bu on June 07, 2022, 18:00
Does it still make sense to be exclusive if the subscriptions already compete.

I think it is time to go not exclusive and spread the footages everywhere.

Not sure about everywhere, since I got a feeling soon it will be consolidated to one unified market, communist style.
You can already see SS + P5 + Adobe working together with "Global partnership" etc...

What other platform is there where you can set your own prices and opt out of subs?

There will be a lot of demand for such a marketplace.

They will get a lot of content.

The videoworld is well connected, even if the place starts small it will grow quickly if the quality content moves there.

Quote from: cobalt on June 08, 2022, 12:26
What other platform is there where you can set your own prices and opt out of subs?

There will be a lot of demand for such a marketplace.

They will get a lot of content.

The videoworld is well connected, even if the place starts small it will grow quickly if the quality content moves there.

One look at the contract between SS and P5 shows how few content creators really make up the core of saleable content in video (I would argue that it is the case across micro).

People think that because there are tens of thousands of contributors in micro they are all equally disposable. If the top 1000 photographers, 300 illustrators or 50 videographers really stood together they could pretty much demand what they want. Just take a look at how much the top 20 on P5 meant to SS when buying the site.

Anyway, shame there's no solidarity and it'll never happen!

Quote from: cobalt on June 08, 2022, 12:26
What other platform is there where you can set your own prices and opt out of subs?

Envato Market / Envato Elements, however , I'd say its a matter of time till they "convert" their Market into their "Elements" without giving the contributors the option to opt out.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 08, 2022, 13:10
Just take a look at how much the top 20 on P5 meant to SS when buying the site.

SS/P5 did not want to p.o. the big contributors - likely the big aggregators and agencies with 10s-100s thousands of assets on P5 and thus more leverage.

That Top 20 likely has a different P5 contract compared to the rest of the contributors.

Anyone else notice how photos are just a tag on item?

I expect more changes than this subscription deal.

Where does all this leave Blackbox?

At one time you couldn't move for people recommending them.

But now that SS and Pond5 are joining...

Blackbox just distributes your content. They have no influence on the agencies. They do not sell to customers directly.

I still  find it very useful and like how my files get good rankings. But I also supply non exclusive content that I upload myself.

They are a distribution service, not a marketplace or agency.

If Adobe were to accept real editorial content, that could help to bring more balance. But you cannot set your own prices on Adobe.

Pond5 really was the best there is. It will take several years to build up a serious competitor.

All the good content that left SS, is now available for their subscription plans again.

It is like an endless game, the creators find a good agency, supply them with good content, once it is all up and running well, the owners sell out to a larger place, the prices get cut drastically, income falls and artists move elsewhere.

Creators need a place where you can set your own prices for good content.

Somebody will fill the demand.

But we will never have peace of mind. Short term profits will always be more attractive to agency owners than longterm stability.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 08, 2022, 22:39


I expect more changes than this subscription deal.

So far, its not a big deal. I spent a bit of time looking through P5 to see if any of mine were in this new subscription deal (searched on some of my most popular stop motions and other types of clips keywords, to see if they were included when filtering by 'subscriptions') and none of them were there. In fact, the ones that were included were not very good quality, imho, and nothing to worry about at this stage.

But I fear, as you say, this could be just the 'soft' start with worse to follow.

Not sure how they are choosing what clips to include in these subscriptions. Are they the old 'membership' ones? I would be very interested to find out.


But on a side note, looking so deeply has its drawbacks. I found one very enthusiastic 'fan' of my work with very little imagination, who has copied my themes, colors, props, and layouts, on multiple items - and like all good 'fans' has spammed them to death.

Ah, the joy of microstock! Don't you just love it.

Useful test Annie!

Looks like my Blackbox content is part of the subs program, but my directly uploaded files are not.

This will be interesting to observe in how it affects results.

If it stays this ways, it could also be an easy way to decide what goes where.

ETA: not all my BB content is available for subs. So maybe it is just a selection. or older content.

Quote from: cobalt on June 09, 2022, 20:01
Useful test Annie!

Looks like my Blackbox content is part of the subs program, but my directly uploaded files are not.

This will be interesting to observe in how it affects results.

If it stays this ways, it could also be an easy way to decide what goes where.

ETA: not all my BB content is available for subs. So maybe it is just a selection. or older content.

Thanks for the feedback, Cobalt. Possibly older content that hasn't sold very well?  Can you see any differences between what is included in the subs, and not. Or is it just age?

I am not sure what I am more upset about at this stage - finding my 'spammer from Serbia' (I have to stop looking at their port because its making me very upset) - or the potential of only getting $7.96/clip from future subs.

Looks like older content.

I don't really have bestsellers in video with hundreds or thousands of downloads like I do with photos. So, yes, it includes some files that sold more than once, but I am still starting out with BB.

I like the results so far, so I am making them a focus this year, currently 400 files online with them, would like to bring it up to 1000 by end of year.

BB also uploads to Shutterstock, so I know all files go into subscription sales.

But most sales have normal values, like 8-30 dollars.

The service saves me time and I really like their community spirit.

But I still upload to my own ports.

Who knows what the stock world will be like in 10 years?

So being on multiple platforms works best for me.

I just LOOOOVVVVEEEE these $2.60 video royalties.

A few days ago I closed my pond5 account since I didn't feel good receiving payments of 8$ for exclusive 4k videos. I was looking for alternatives to upload them, and I find this topic... now everything makes sense.

Do we have any alternative for editorial videos?

Thanks.

Quote from: aitor on August 03, 2022, 12:07
Do we have any alternative for editorial videos?

Besides SS and P5 also AS, Depositphotos and G/iStock are seemingly possible via Wirestock.
You can choose these agencies in WS, but I don't know if the videos are really accepted there.
At SS you can theoretically also upload directly, but for me all editorial photos and videos are rejected at the moment.
AS does not directly take editorial videos.
Whether Depositphotos and G/iStock take editorial videos on direct upload, I don't know.

My opinion, it was not a good idea to close your P5 account.
Occasionally there are very low royalties because of special rates, but most of the time it is the promised 60% (exclusive).