Well, there is already more than million AI images so people are obviously uploading like crazy. I don't know why is Adobe letting this to happen, it buried everything else in search.

Quote from: Lina on February 10, 2023, 21:51
Well, there is already more than million AI images so people are obviously uploading like crazy. I don't know why is Adobe letting this to happen, it buried everything else in search.

wow, that's almost 0.1% of all images on the agencies! (and that's assuming you have actual data to support your claim) and of course you neglected to mention agencies are adding millions of non-AI every month 

I typed "generative AI" in search and it returned around 1.300.000 images, I guess it is actual data (there is even more because not all them are tagged with generative AI). It might be 0.1%, but it was uploaded in very short time unlike other billion images. About flooding everything else, see for example pizza images, sorted by most recent. Many images on first page are generative AI, even if it wasn't written in title and keywords:
https://stock.adobe.com/hr/search?filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&order=creation&safe_search=1&limit=100&search_page=1&k=pizza&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=pizza&get_facets=1

Quote from: Lina on February 13, 2023, 09:38
I typed "generative AI" in search and it returned around 1.300.000 images, I guess it is actual data (there is even more because not all them are tagged with generative AI). It might be 0.1%, but it was uploaded in very short time unlike other billion images. About flooding everything else, see for example pizza images, sorted by most recent. Many images on first page are generative AI, even if it wasn't written in title and keywords:

I don't understand the point; there was trillion of pizzas even before the AI images production.
Complaint about AI is useless, it's here to stay and it will be more and more used in the future, with higher performance. Do you think you can stop this?
Or do you prefer SS that cut out contributors, preventing us to use AI, while at the same time they give clients DIY system that will not give anything to contributors?

Quote from: derby on February 13, 2023, 11:13

Quote from: Lina on February 13, 2023, 09:38
I typed "generative AI" in search and it returned around 1.300.000 images, I guess it is actual data (there is even more because not all them are tagged with generative AI). It might be 0.1%, but it was uploaded in very short time unlike other billion images. About flooding everything else, see for example pizza images, sorted by most recent. Many images on first page are generative AI, even if it wasn't written in title and keywords:

I don't understand the point; there was trillion of pizzas even before the AI images production.
Complaint about AI is useless, it's here to stay and it will be more and more used in the future, with higher performance. Do you think you can stop this?
Or do you prefer SS that cut out contributors, preventing us to use AI, while at the same time they give clients DIY system that will not give anything to contributors?

I am frustrated because it is getting harder than usual for new images to be noticed. And I think AI is unfair competition because million images can be produced very quickly. That's all. I am just expressing my opinion, I have learned by now that I can't change anything.

Quote from: Lina on February 13, 2023, 11:29

Quote from: derby on February 13, 2023, 11:13

Quote from: Lina on February 13, 2023, 09:38
I typed "generative AI" in search and it returned around 1.300.000 images, I guess it is actual data (there is even more because not all them are tagged with generative AI). It might be 0.1%, but it was uploaded in very short time unlike other billion images. About flooding everything else, see for example pizza images, sorted by most recent. Many images on first page are generative AI, even if it wasn't written in title and keywords:

I don't understand the point; there was trillion of pizzas even before the AI images production.
Complaint about AI is useless, it's here to stay and it will be more and more used in the future, with higher performance. Do you think you can stop this?
Or do you prefer SS that cut out contributors, preventing us to use AI, while at the same time they give clients DIY system that will not give anything to contributors?

I am frustrated because it is getting harder than usual for new images to be noticed. And I think AI is unfair competition because million images can be produced very quickly. That's all. I am just expressing my opinion, I have learned by now that I can't change anything.

AI images will eventually substitute photos in the microstock market

Reuters reports: AI-created images lose U.S. copyrights in test for new technology

https://www.reuters.com/legal/ai-created-images-lose-us-copyrights-test-new-technology-2023-02-22/

Read an ad on Facebook that Shutterstock is joining the AI bandwagon.
While making a submission request is very easy.  The results are very bad. https://www.shutterstock.com/generate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=acq_display&utm_campaign=CO%3DUS_FF%3DAIGC_BU%3DIMG_AB%3DACQ_CH%3DDS_OG%3DCONV_CC%3DAIGenerative_PB%3DFacebook_RG%3DAMER_IT%3DPROG_CM%3DCPM_TS%3Drtconv_LG%3DEN&utm_term=CC%3DAIGenerative_FF%3DAIGC_PS%3DMultiple_BT%3DML_TS%3Drtconv_AU%3DSite-Visitors_AD%3DBAN&utm_content=CC%3DAIGenerative_PD%3DGenerate_CN%3DAIGC-ImageGenerator_CA%3DTryItFree_LG%3DEN_FN%3DNoTimeNoInspiration_SZ%3D1x1&c3ch=Paid%20Social&c3nid=FBIG-6308479653639-6308479653439-6308479653239

Quote from: elliottcowand on February 23, 2023, 05:53
Read an ad on Facebook that Shutterstock is joining the AI bandwagon.
While making a submission request is very easy.  The results are very bad. https://www.shutterstock.com/generate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=acq_display&utm_campaign=CO%3DUS_FF%3DAIGC_BU%3DIMG_AB%3DACQ_CH%3DDS_OG%3DCONV_CC%3DAIGenerative_PB%3DFacebook_RG%3DAMER_IT%3DPROG_CM%3DCPM_TS%3Drtconv_LG%3DEN&utm_term=CC%3DAIGenerative_FF%3DAIGC_PS%3DMultiple_BT%3DML_TS%3Drtconv_AU%3DSite-Visitors_AD%3DBAN&utm_content=CC%3DAIGenerative_PD%3DGenerate_CN%3DAIGC-ImageGenerator_CA%3DTryItFree_LG%3DEN_FN%3DNoTimeNoInspiration_SZ%3D1x1&c3ch=Paid%20Social&c3nid=FBIG-6308479653639-6308479653439-6308479653239

Why should someone pay shutterstock for a Dalle e AI generated image if you can get it for free in DALLE e?

PetaPixel:  "First Ever Copyrighted AI-Generated Images Lose U.S Copyright Protection"

https://petapixel.com/2023/02/23/first-ever-copyrighted-ai-generated-images-lose-u-s-copyright-protection/

Quote from: Reimar on February 10, 2023, 18:59
I was trying to get DALL-E to generate a photo of a Ukranian soldier firing a bazooka at a Russian tank in winter.  All efforts and variations in wording produced totally unusable results.  Even with a lot of fixing up, I can't see sending results to a stock site.

just try doing something more peaceful and you will succeed 

Quote from: U11 on February 23, 2023, 23:32

Quote from: Reimar on February 10, 2023, 18:59
I was trying to get DALL-E to generate a photo of a Ukranian soldier firing a bazooka at a Russian tank in winter.  All efforts and variations in wording produced totally unusable results.  Even with a lot of fixing up, I can't see sending results to a stock site.

just try doing something more peaceful and you will succeed 

Yes, you should try to simulate the invading Russian army withdrawing from Ukraine, after its teritorial integrity is restored.

That would be a very peaceful image!

And hopefuly, it might even become a best seller this year! 

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 24, 2023, 00:29

Quote from: U11 on February 23, 2023, 23:32

Quote from: Reimar on February 10, 2023, 18:59
I was trying to get DALL-E to generate a photo of a Ukranian soldier firing a bazooka at a Russian tank in winter.  All efforts and variations in wording produced totally unusable results.  Even with a lot of fixing up, I can't see sending results to a stock site.

just try doing something more peaceful and you will succeed 

Yes, you should try to simulate the invading Russian army withdrawing from Ukraine, after its teritorial integrity is restored.


That would be a very peaceful image!

And hopefuly, it might even become a best seller this year! 

👏 👏

Quote from: trek on February 23, 2023, 16:47
PetaPixel:  "First Ever Copyrighted AI-Generated Images Lose U.S Copyright Protection"

https://petapixel.com/2023/02/23/first-ever-copyrighted-ai-generated-images-lose-u-s-copyright-protection/

That's true but the book is still protected. And what that one decision says is The Copyright Office says... which is not a legal decision. Until this goes to the courts and someone challenges, the Copyright Office can do whatever they want for any reason they want. It's their interpretation of the law.

What it really says is, you can make images and license them, but if someone else uses them, you can't claim they are your work. In effect they are Public Domain, unprotected images.

That leads to some other interesting questions which we've gone over in the past. For example, the big one is How does Getty license and claim their out of copyright images are theirs and no one else can use them? Yet they do and they sell licenses.

On the smallest scale, say I take an old image from 1865 and restore it, edit and refine, better than the original. Then I sell licenses. Is my image protected or not.

The key word in this, and in the future is going to be TRANSFORMATIVE. Same arguments for the Warhol use or the Prince photo, claiming it's fair use and transformative. Then AI Images will fall into the same rules, because the computer created the images, with instructions from a human and editing by a human and being transformed by a person.

Similar arguments will also be used for how AI creates images from software that was trained using found images, but that does not use the actual images.

Meanwhile, the US copyright office says and maybe the court will decide different. Let me ask, what about the rest of the world? The US rules and government doesn't define the world or rule them.

Did anyone mention here that now it's possibile to opt out of data deals in shutterstock account settings

Quote from: elena_86 on February 27, 2023, 09:46
Did anyone mention here that now it's possibile to opt out of data deals in shutterstock account settings

Yes

Quote from: Zero Talent on February 24, 2023, 00:29
Yes, you should try to simulate the invading Russian army withdrawing from Ukraine, after its teritorial integrity is restored.

That would be a very peaceful image!

And hopefuly, it might even become a best seller this year! 

And to produce the withdrawal, of course, they need billions, infinite supply of (kind of course) weapons. Since Russia wants (sadly, badly) to restore its teritorial integrity too, I only see similarities here. Are You not promoting war here?

Quote from: gameover on January 18, 2023, 11:36

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on January 18, 2023, 11:09
Yeah weird. I would have gone for arguing that the AI company has made commercial use of images without a commercial licence or permission from the copyright owner (which they have, even if no storage or image retention is involved).

Whether storage of information obtained through studying people's images counts as infringement is, I guess, more iffy. Surely there's no doubt the "model" the AI has of what an object or person looks like is derived from the study of other people's copyright work, regardless of the level of processing involved, hence "21st-cen­tury col­lage tool" (yes, I do understand the original image isn't used in its original form but it IS process into information to create the "new" work).

we human make the same (in a smaller scale... ) but we call it inspiration or learning or whatever 

Do you know that there are "human" killing, torturing... so, we should accept technologies do the same (in a bigger scale...)?

My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods : oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the income of traditional artists.

I hear footsteps coming, it's the army of mediocre photographers and graphic designers who were unsuccessful, and who will exploit AI to finally sell images that they will have the conviction/impudence to have fully produced, only way for them to get success and reward for low and lazy talent.

AI is very smart, it understands that recycling is good for the planet where unscrupulous people live!!!

Video
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-20/generative-ai-s-next-frontier-is-video

I think these headshots all look very fake, but I'm sure they fit into the "good enough" category for lots of customers who might otherwise have paid a photographer

https://petapixel.com/2023/03/21/people-are-paying-17-for-hundreds-of-ai-generated-headshots/

If you look at the tweet from customer (quoted in the article) he supplied a bunch of phone photos and grabs from video to give as input for his finished headshots

Basically photography is a memory, a testimony, a proof of the existing, a reflection of reality, an emotion, a singular creative exercise... What will be the interest of these soulless productions, apart from a cleanliness ascepted and suspicious?

Stock photography will be gone soon

Quote from: ADH on March 22, 2023, 01:57
Stock photography will be gone soon

No, only Stock photographers   

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 23:18
Basically photography is a memory, a testimony, a proof of the existing, a reflection of reality, an emotion, a singular creative exercise... What will be the interest of these soulless productions, apart from a cleanliness ascepted and suspicious?

what sort of reality is reflected by picasso, dali, rothko, mondrian, klee and hundreds of other artists? not to mention scifi & fantasy artists

Quote from: cascoly on March 22, 2023, 17:49

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 23:18
Basically photography is a memory, a testimony, a proof of the existing, a reflection of reality, an emotion, a singular creative exercise... What will be the interest of these soulless productions, apart from a cleanliness ascepted and suspicious?

what sort of reality is reflected by picasso, dali, rothko, mondrian, klee and hundreds of other artists? not to mention scifi & fantasy artists

Same player read again: "Basically photography is"...