Quote from: araminta on January 06, 2009, 18:43

Quote from: FlemishDreams on January 06, 2009, 16:50
If the Mac is that super, why does it have a tiny market share,

Because Bill Gates is by far a better salesman compared to Steve Jobs.

Not necessarily.  I think Bill Gates focused on mass-marketing the concept of personal computers, whereas Steve Jobs focused on producing a brand with a status.  It's more like Levi's vs Gap jeans.  People buy i-pods, i-phones, i-anything, and quite frankly I think they pay more than it would be fair, as with any other fashion brand.

At least until some years ago, having a Mac was a status.  It was more like an "artists have Macs, ordinary people have PCs" thing. 

I don't think there is much difference in owning one or another these days, although I suppose Mac prices are still a bit above.  Having  used PC for ages, I don't feel any need to change. 

Regards,
Adelaide

Quote from: araminta on January 06, 2009, 18:48

I'm a software engineer... I would say it is a good thing I consider computers as something more than a tool... as I consider as a photographer my brand new Canon 24-70L a little bit more than a piece of glass and metal. You understand that feeling?

Congrats on your wonderful new lens! 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and to have one different than mine

However, no, I do not regard any of my lenses, cameras, computer, car,  or any other piece of equipment as more than a tool.  Some of them are tools I like very much and I will happily argue their merits, but I reserve my love and devotion for living beings. 

In the end our stuff is just stuff - IMHO it's a mistake to get too attached to any of it. 

Quote from: lisafx on January 06, 2009, 20:46
Congrats on your wonderful new lens! 

At least we agree on this subject 

Quote from: lisafx on January 06, 2009, 20:46
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and to have one different than mine

However, no, I do not regard any of my lenses, cameras, computer, car,  or any other piece of equipment as more than a tool.  Some of them are tools I like very much and I will happily argue their merits, but I reserve my love and devotion for living beings. 

In the end our stuff is just stuff - IMHO it's a mistake to get too attached to any of it. 

Macs are also for me tools I like very much and I happily argue their merits, as you have probably noted.

I consider that enthusiasm is a VERY positive feeling, whatever the reason of your enthusiasm. I'm myself very enthusiastic about various subjects and science and technology is one of them: Mac are tools, but they are also a wonderful piece of technology.

Quote from: lisafx on January 06, 2009, 20:46
... but I reserve my love and devotion for living beings. 

Amen. It is impossible to argue with that 

Have to agree with Lisa on this one. If your Chevy is starting to become one of your better friends it's probably time to get out a bit more often. Enjoy 

Best,
AVAVA

Quote from: avava on January 06, 2009, 22:29
Have to agree with Lisa on this one. If your Chevy is starting to become one of your better friends it's probably time to get out a bit more often. Enjoy 

Best,
AVAVA

Whats wrong with a Chevy? Nothing, if you have a Ford to pull it around with. Ford is my new best friend. Whats yours? 

Time to end this never ending thread. Yes?

-Larry

New laptop from Apple:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video

yes, can we lock this thread now, moderator?

I have got all the answers I need thank you all.

jc

Quote from: ljooc on January 07, 2009, 01:17
yes, can we lock this thread now, moderator?

I have got all the answers I need thank you all.

jc

Yes, when we start repeating links to a parody video on the same thread, it's time to put it to bed.... although I think Leaf posted it the first time, so maybe that doesn't count.

Quote from: whatalife on January 07, 2009, 02:47

Quote from: ljooc on January 07, 2009, 01:17
yes, can we lock this thread now, moderator?

I have got all the answers I need thank you all.

jc

Yes, when we start repeating links to a parody video on the same thread, it's time to put it to bed.... although I think Leaf posted it the first time, so maybe that doesn't count.

ACTUALLY I PREFER AMIGA, ... huh what?
the debate's over and done?  jeepers ! you mean i missed it all.

GOOD NIGHT FOLKS ! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Quote from: whatalife on January 07, 2009, 02:47Yes, when we start repeating links to a parody video on the same thread, it's time to put it to bed.... although I think Leaf posted it the first time, so maybe that doesn't count.

I clicked on the thread but it jumped to the last page (page 3) so I didn't see Leaf posting the same thing on page 2. Sry.

in some applicatios is allowed ctrl+x but in finder, file browser is not.... also, I'm try cyberduck and all other ftp software but nothing compares cuteftp on pc.... also there is cuteftp ver. for mac but this is totaly diferent piece of software than on pc...

I still prefer PC over MAC, purely cause it's easier to upgrade a PC, and more companies stock PC compatible components.

Although, with the new MAC's available, this will probably soon change. Yet, in our country MAC is seriously over-priced.

Mac for work (Photoshop and Cinema4D, etc) and PC for gaming.

Mac's maybe overpriced but they're worth it as far as I'm concerned. Way more reliable.

in some countries MAC's are still within reasonable prices, but in our country, since it's not such a popular product yet, it's much more expensive than what it would cost in most other countries.

This may be silly but macs are so much more elegant looking. Both in OS and styling. As a creative I think it makes a difference to me. I have and have had many PCs right from the first XT. I've never ever seen a pretty one.

Peter

Go to any professional designers and see what they're using. ( as opposed to the mainly amateurs who hang out here)
(Hint, it won't be a PC)

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on February 02, 2009, 11:09
Go to any professional designers and see what they're using. ( as opposed to the mainly amateurs who hang out here)
(Hint, it won't be a PC)

Sure, but that's only cause the MAC / graphics / etc sales reps sell MAC's as better / faster / prettier than PC's. It will be hard for a MAC to beat my PC's performance, considering I have a Core 2 Quad 9300 CPU, 4GB DDRII 800Mhz RAM and 2x Gefore 9600 GT 3D cards

It's got nothing to do with 'sales reps'. ( and we've never seen a sales rep, ever) It's got to do with better speed, better color handling capabilities, better reliability and ease of use, plus the fact that most repro houses are far more Mac savvy than they are PC. It's the difference between amateurs and pros, basically. I assume you're not the latter. Nothing wrong with being an amateur. You're an amateur, you've got a graphic amateurs computer. End of.

Quote from: ichiro17 on January 05, 2009, 15:45
I use PC because I refuse to pay 3x more for a computer thats glossy

Firstly that's nonsense and you know it - they don't cost 3x more. Second, even if you do have to pay slightly more for a Mac, that's not the whole story.

Macs hold their value like no other computers. When you want to upgrade in 3 or 4 years you won't be left with a computer that nobody wants. Seriously, what sort of re-sell value is there on a used Dell or HP after 4 years? I bet it's not at least 50 - 60% of what you originally paid.

I sold my G5 PowerMac after 4 years of daily use and still managed to get £800 for it! - that money went towards a Mac Pro, which again will hold it's value very well until I'm ready to upgrade again in 3 or 4 years.

Quote from: SoftDux on February 02, 2009, 11:17
Sure, but that's only cause the MAC / graphics / etc sales reps sell MAC's as better / faster / prettier than PC's. It will be hard for a MAC to beat my PC's performance, considering I have a Core 2 Quad 9300 CPU, 4GB DDRII 800Mhz RAM and 2x Gefore 9600 GT 3D cards

May be a Mac Pro with two Quad Core Xeon Harpertown CPU, 32 GB DDRII 800MHz and 2x NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5Go?

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on February 02, 2009, 11:40
It's got nothing to do with 'sales reps'. ( and we've never seen a sales rep, ever) It's got to do with better speed, better color handling capabilities, better reliability and ease of use, plus the fact that most repro houses are far more Mac savvy than they are PC.

In your country, yes. Don't always assume that cause how you do things, is how everyone else around the world does it. Nor are other countries the same as yours.

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on February 02, 2009, 11:40
It's the difference between amateurs and pros, basically. I assume you're not the latter. Nothing wrong with being an amateur. You're an amateur, you've got a graphic amateurs computer. End of.

ouch, that's a low blow, especially from an elite professional. Don't get me wrong, but don't judge others according to your own standards. it's lame.

Quote from: designalldone on February 02, 2009, 11:42

Quote from: ichiro17 on January 05, 2009, 15:45
I use PC because I refuse to pay 3x more for a computer thats glossy

Firstly that's nonsense and you know it - they don't cost 3x more. Second, even if you do have to pay slightly more for a Mac, that's not the whole story.

Macs hold their value like no other computers. When you want to upgrade in 3 or 4 years you won't be left with a computer that nobody wants. Seriously, what sort of re-sell value is there on a used Dell or HP after 4 years? I bet it's not at least 50 - 60% of what you originally paid.

I sold my G5 PowerMac after 4 years of daily use and still managed to get £800 for it! - that money went towards a Mac Pro, which again will hold it's value very well until I'm ready to upgrade again in 3 or 4 years.

But then again you can gradually upgrade a pc  without having to sell the whole thing and start from scratch.

Both have their advantages, if you don't want to worry about your hardware and just want to get on with the job a mac is great. If you like getting to know your tools (hardware) intimately, even if this means hassle, then a pc is for you.
A lot of creatives don't like the idea of fiddling with technical stuff too much, a mac often means you don't have to. If you're into computers though you can't beat a pc for affordability and customization.
I guess this is why there are a lot more macs in studios but a more even split amongst freelancers.

Sorry but not all pros use macs, studios like them because they mean lower IT costs; in a studio you don't expect your artists to be tech heads.
If you freelance and you know your stuff there's nothing wrong with a PC.

Quoteouch, that's a low blow, especially from an elite professional. Don't get me wrong, but don't judge others according to your own standards. it's lame.

It's Monday morning, it's cold, I've just paid my tax bill, i'm bored, I'm winding him up.

To be honest it's horses for courses. I have 2 PC's and 3 Macs, they're basically just tools to do a job and the one that suits its user is the best tool for the job.

I have both systems. I switched to Mac about two years ago... and I loved it. After a while I realized the Mac also has its week points and disadvantages. It also crashes, it's also generating mystical malfunctions just as the windows does. I switched back to PC but I kept the Mac as well.
Color management and and some functions of the user interface are much better on Mac. Other functions are better in Windows and you can access more programs there. My overall opinion: if you aren't an IT expert, use Mac, if you have an IT background (25 years in my case) you will be frustrated by Mac's strange restrictions. In my opinion Mac is more accessable for non-IT people but this why sometimes it drives you crazy. When I use the Mac I feel like driving a Mercedes... but there are many tasks you won't like to use a Mercedes for.

For studio work and for server purposes I am using a 64-bit Vista PC. It is more stable then my Mac ever was. It is working 24 hours and I restart it once a months. Well, it's good for windows - you know every restart is a risk that something strange happens But Mac is not better here.