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BooKitty

« Reply #250 on: December 26, 2010, 15:09 »
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Crazy!  Seems like if it is a render of a non-specific location it shouldn't be able to use ANY specific locations in the keywords.  ???


I agree - location keywords are a common problem, both for illustrations and for photos. Just because its a beach doesn't mean its Hawaii.

Its not just a problem at IS though - all the sites have contributors that decide its a good way to rank higher in searches by adding keywords for many popular destinations. The danger is when a buyer uses one mistakenly and gets in trouble for including an image of the Philippines on an advertisement for Hawaii (for example).
In actual (real) photos, iStock says that only the real location can be keyworded, for exactly that reason.
Individual offenders can be wikied, but in the past at least there have been so many that it's worth reporting them for a bulk wiki. In the past, I've suggested e.g. "Caribbean" AND "Mediterranean", (88 have snuck in since the last bulk wiki) but you can substitute just about any similar: Maldives, Seycelles, "Indian Ocean".
256 ATM for Caribbean AND Maldives; 1029 France AND Italy (a few are relevant)
I have also suggested that whenever a bulk wiki is undertaken, note of the offending terms should be circulated to inspectors, but that either hasn't been done or the inspectors are ignoring the notification. (Or, of course, people are sneakily putting the multiple locations in after acceptance, but it's usually obvious when that's been done.)

OMG this so annoys me too. I am a graphic designer for a cruise line and we need images from specific and actual locations. We always have to check the keywords listed and if there is any kind of "multiple location" issue, we just don't download it. The contributor make think this helps their images be seen but it just keeps my company from downloading it (and we buy a lot of travel images). And unless I am in a super hurry I always site for wrong keywords.


« Reply #251 on: December 26, 2010, 21:30 »
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Crazy!  Seems like if it is a render of a non-specific location it shouldn't be able to use ANY specific locations in the keywords.  ???


I agree - location keywords are a common problem, both for illustrations and for photos. Just because its a beach doesn't mean its Hawaii.

Its not just a problem at IS though - all the sites have contributors that decide its a good way to rank higher in searches by adding keywords for many popular destinations. The danger is when a buyer uses one mistakenly and gets in trouble for including an image of the Philippines on an advertisement for Hawaii (for example).
In actual (real) photos, iStock says that only the real location can be keyworded, for exactly that reason.
Individual offenders can be wikied, but in the past at least there have been so many that it's worth reporting them for a bulk wiki. In the past, I've suggested e.g. "Caribbean" AND "Mediterranean", (88 have snuck in since the last bulk wiki) but you can substitute just about any similar: Maldives, Seycelles, "Indian Ocean".
256 ATM for Caribbean AND Maldives; 1029 France AND Italy (a few are relevant)
I have also suggested that whenever a bulk wiki is undertaken, note of the offending terms should be circulated to inspectors, but that either hasn't been done or the inspectors are ignoring the notification. (Or, of course, people are sneakily putting the multiple locations in after acceptance, but it's usually obvious when that's been done.)

OMG this so annoys me too. I am a graphic designer for a cruise line and we need images from specific and actual locations. We always have to check the keywords listed and if there is any kind of "multiple location" issue, we just don't download it. The contributor make think this helps their images be seen but it just keeps my company from downloading it (and we buy a lot of travel images). And unless I am in a super hurry I always site for wrong keywords.

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BK, thanks for taking the time to report the wrong keywords.  Were I a buyer, I would be very tempted to send a site mail to those contributors I had passed over because of the "multiple location" issue to let them know they had lost a sale because of how they keyworded.  Not suggesting that you do so, but wish it would happen.

« Reply #252 on: December 27, 2010, 10:48 »
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Looks like we now have the Fraud Fiasco.

« Reply #253 on: December 28, 2010, 12:25 »
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Looks like we now have the Fraud Fiasco.


and it has now been confirmed to be fraud
 

« Reply #254 on: December 28, 2010, 12:36 »
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Just freakin incredible.

So someone has "hacked" in, artificially inflating sales of Agency and Vetta files (for the most part), the biggest portion of which has been purchased mostly from one contributor, but sometime after Jan. 1 all the credits will need to be returned (taken back from contributors) and the site will then be secured.  ::)  Is it just me, or do I smell fish (not pie)?

« Reply #255 on: December 28, 2010, 12:46 »
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Just freakin incredible.

So someone has "hacked" in, artificially inflating sales of Agency and Vetta files (for the most part), the biggest portion of which has been purchased mostly from one contributor, but sometime after Jan. 1 all the credits will need to be returned (taken back from contributors) and the site will then be secured.  ::)  Is it just me, or do I smell fish (not pie)?

well something smells, but I'd have to say it's got something to do with the programmers crapping their pants after finding out this happened.  :)

all the millions of dollars they make and iStock can't afford to hire a good security analyst to check for holes in their programming code?  I guess I shouldn't be surprised since they can't seem to launch a redesign without rampant bugs in it either.  FAIL

... and the hits just keep on comin'!

« Reply #256 on: December 28, 2010, 12:46 »
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« Reply #257 on: December 28, 2010, 13:05 »
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I don't see where you're coming up with 'hacked in'.  Anyone can make an account.  How they fund that is where the fraudulent part comes in.

lisafx

« Reply #258 on: December 28, 2010, 13:14 »
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Another day, another fiasco. :D

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=286542


Wow!  Exclusives are justifiably upset to have their content excluded.  I am sure it is just a temporary bug (to add to the many others!).  Surely the intention is to include the exclusive "main collection" content in that search.  I doubt enough buyers are finding or using that filter at the moment to make any real difference in sales. 

I'm only one person, so maybe not statistically significant, but I have not seen any jump in my sales today that would indicate this feature is being used. 

« Reply #259 on: December 28, 2010, 13:16 »
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@sean:
So can anyone add "Main" to the list of collections? I thought IS was never going to allow a search to happen that way? And even if they decided they were going to allow a search for the Main collection, I thought it wasn't supposed to happen until after the New Year?

I'm saying "hacked in" because I ran across some weirdness in the way the site was acting yesterday, but you are correct, perhaps it's just one of the many screwups perpetrated by the IT people who are working on the site.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2010, 13:26 by cclapper »

« Reply #260 on: December 28, 2010, 13:43 »
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I don't see where you're coming up with 'hacked in'.  Anyone can make an account.  How they fund that is where the fraudulent part comes in.

true they could use a fake/stolen CC or someone could have found a way to hack into the system and arbitrarily given themselves a bunch of credits or hacked the purchasing side and made "sales" go through that should not have.   so it could have been a funding fraud or a fraud on the part of a hack.  we don't have all the facts so can't really determine.

« Reply #261 on: December 28, 2010, 15:56 »
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If you read through the thread about the Main collection you'll see that it's only available on certain browsers. It either wasn't supposed to be released yet or the re-design of the search isn't finished and they will be adding an Exclusive button as well. Either way it's another fail on IS's part.

« Reply #262 on: December 28, 2010, 16:05 »
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I don't see where you're coming up with 'hacked in'.  Anyone can make an account.  How they fund that is where the fraudulent part comes in.

true they could use a fake/stolen CC or someone could have found a way to hack into the system and arbitrarily given themselves a bunch of credits or hacked the purchasing side and made "sales" go through that should not have.   so it could have been a funding fraud or a fraud on the part of a hack.  we don't have all the facts so can't really determine.

Te fact that IS first reaction was limit the credit packages available to 120 strongly suggests thats it is CC fraud, no hack,

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #263 on: December 28, 2010, 17:06 »
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If you read through the thread about the Main collection you'll see that it's only available on certain browsers. It either wasn't supposed to be released yet or the re-design of the search isn't finished and they will be adding an Exclusive button as well. Either way it's another fail on IS's part.
I believe that when Amazon try something new, it's only available on certain servers as they test it, but because there isn't a forum as such, others don't know about it.
However, it's bad enough they already reneged on their word (that there would not be a way of excluding exclusive files, and there is by choosing Vetta and Agency only, excluding Exc and Exc+) and now they're trying out ways of keeping exclusive files out of the 'main' collection. Why on earth suddenly introduce this when there's just about no-one around?
I just don't understand why so many people are leaping up and down and woo-waying about editorial (as if there were no options): is this a company we can fully trust any more?

lisafx

« Reply #264 on: December 28, 2010, 17:13 »
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...and now they're trying out ways of keeping exclusive files out of the 'main' collection. Why on earth suddenly introduce this when there's just about no-one around?
I just don't understand why so many people are leaping up and down and woo-waying about editorial (as if there were no options): is this a company we can fully trust any more?

I really think this was a goof.  The main collection definitely includes exclusive files, and the 1-90 credit range under the "main" checkbox clearly suggests that exclusive files were meant to be included. 

As a non-exclusive, of course, it would benefit me to have non-exclusive files searchable as a collection, but I really don't think that's what this is about. 

IMHO, exclusives really don't need to worry about being intentionally shut out of any of the searches.  I would, however, be extremely worried about the level of mistakes and glitches.

« Reply #265 on: December 28, 2010, 17:51 »
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Oh boy. More reprecussions from a) the staff taking vacation and b) their slow response to the fraud. Poor buyer. Someone should suggest they shop elsewhere. I don't understand why iStock always expects buyers to jump through hoops (ie change browsers because site doesn't work in one) for their eff ups.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=286672&page=1

« Reply #266 on: December 28, 2010, 18:07 »
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Posted By joyze:
Happy Holiday's everyone! This is one of many features we will be testing which is why it is only visible to some and not to all. We're open to any feedback you have regarding this tested feature and any others that we may test in the future. We'll continue to make tweaks to the tests to determine what works and what doesn't.


Doesn't that sound like an automated response from a computer or something? It hardly seems like it could have been typed by a human hand. LOL. If you try hard enough, you can hear the computer voice saying it. :D

That said...most pathetic response ever. What's bigger than "epic fail"? Because iStock has gone there. Wowsers.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #267 on: December 29, 2010, 05:44 »
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{Added: see note at bottom}
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=286742&page=1
In case that gets deleted, an example files the OP mentioned was:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=15017498
which at the time of posting was priced at 1 credit for an XSm -> 10 credits for L.
[Ah, it seems that the contributor has only recently become exclusive, and it's a 'hiccup', not an 'epic fail'.]
« Last Edit: December 29, 2010, 06:46 by ShadySue »

« Reply #268 on: December 29, 2010, 08:20 »
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{Added: see note at bottom}
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=286742&page=1
In case that gets deleted, an example files the OP mentioned was:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=15017498
which at the time of posting was priced at 1 credit for an XSm -> 10 credits for L.
[Ah, it seems that the contributor has only recently become exclusive, and it's a 'hiccup', not an 'epic fail'.]


Oh my gosh, it is literally just one thing after another. I think they should roll back F5! to the old design. It worked great (as far as we know).

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #269 on: December 29, 2010, 08:27 »
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Not to mention the current sitemail problem: when you hit 'send mail' you get a 404 message.
I thought I'd suddenly been banned from SM, but it's now been reported on the help forum.
Probably mostly irrelevant to buying/selling, so again, a hiccup, not an 'epic fail'.

« Reply #270 on: December 29, 2010, 09:59 »
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OMG, it's like a car driving down the road and as it goes along one part, then another, then another falls out. Pretty soon all the parts will have dropped out the bottom and it'll just stop working.

« Reply #271 on: December 29, 2010, 12:24 »
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OMG, it's like a car driving down the road and as it goes along one part, then another, then another falls out. Pretty soon all the parts will have dropped out the bottom and it'll just stop working.

Looks like another part fell off.  :)  I saw a buyer on twitter report a little while ago that they were trying to buy images, but they're getting a 404 when the download tries to start.  This is all so hard to fathom.  At this point, I can't understand why they don't roll back to a working version of the site.  
« Last Edit: December 29, 2010, 12:31 by karenhermann »

donding

  • Think before you speak
« Reply #272 on: December 29, 2010, 12:25 »
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Not to mention the current sitemail problem: when you hit 'send mail' you get a 404 message.
I thought I'd suddenly been banned from SM, but it's now been reported on the help forum.
Probably mostly irrelevant to buying/selling, so again, a hiccup, not an 'epic fail'.

It's probably because they are getting bombarded with site mails over all this disastrous current events and the servers can't handle the overload.  ???

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #273 on: December 29, 2010, 12:37 »
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Not to mention the current sitemail problem: when you hit 'send mail' you get a 404 message.
I thought I'd suddenly been banned from SM, but it's now been reported on the help forum.
Probably mostly irrelevant to buying/selling, so again, a hiccup, not an 'epic fail'.


It's probably because they are getting bombarded with site mails over all this disastrous current events and the servers can't handle the overload.  ???

Yeah, they're getting 404s when they raise a support ticket too. Like the SMs, they're probably going through, but the 404 is disconcerting.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=286842&page=1

« Reply #274 on: December 29, 2010, 12:45 »
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apparently they just closed the store down for the holidays.  who needs to make money when you should be out doing something interesting rather than visiting iStock to BUY, SELL or POST (in the forums)?

In the words of iStock CEO KKThompons:
"Now go do something more interesting! Merry ho-ho"


 

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