Author Topic: Creative Networks What´s the point (Read 28059 times)

Tim Markley · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2007, 19:49 »

feel free to add me to a CN my user name is same on istock

MiguelAngelo · « **Reply #26 on:** January 24, 2007, 20:39 »

feel free to add me too

user: MiguelAngeloSilva

pixelbrat · « **Reply #27 on:** January 24, 2007, 21:17 »

Hi everyone,

Great idea! I thought I would beef up my CN as well so I have sent most (if not all) of you an invite. If anyone would like to add me my username here is the same as on iStock.

Cheers!
Pixelbrat

fotografer · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2007, 02:26 »

Another big advantage of fiotw is that a few designers noticed me and added me to their CN so that they could keep an eye on my portfolio and as yingyang0 said sales definatly went up both on istock and dreamstime when I had free image of the day.

epixx · « **Reply #29 on:** January 25, 2007, 04:09 »

I would be happy to join as well. Username at iStock is epixx (same as here).

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2007, 04:27 »

Quote from: jacus on January 24, 2007, 17:40

It works! I have added yingyan0 and snem to my network and earned 100$ today ! (yesterday only 3$)
Feel free to add me too, same username.
Thanks

Wow, a 100$!! Thats a lot! Do you sold a lot of Els, or how does this increase happened? I myself had my bestday (without ELs) ever on IS.

Thanks guys!

jacus · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:07 »

Quote from: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 04:27

Quote from: jacus on January 24, 2007, 17:40
It works! I have added yingyan0 and snem to my network and earned 100$ today ! (yesterday only 3$)
Feel free to add me too, same username.
Thanks

Wow, a 100$!! Thats a lot! Do you sold a lot of Els, or how does this increase happened? I myself had my bestday (without ELs) ever on IS.

Thanks guys!

Sorry, it was just a joke.

Now the serious things. English is my third language please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not arrogant guy, just not good to chose the right words.
I’m quit new in micro stock word and I think that CN maybe a good way to progress. We can help each other and better understand how this business works. I would be happy to how a ranking system works, importance of categories, titles, description… So the real question is if we want to take advantage of CN to analyse this system and have feedback or just to have a big number of members. I propose some rules, I’d be happy to know what are you thinking about it.
1. Ranking. If you rank somebody’s photo - be honest. Rank only a few images, not entire portfolio. I will be happy (maybe happy it’s not a good word

) even if you rank MY photograph 0/5 if you really think it’s a crap. If we want to have real results we need real data.
2.   Messages. I’ll be happy to help you if I can. I’ll try to respond all serious post, but write in English is painful for me so: I’ll not respond to all “happy birthday”, “French fries vs. freedom fries” messages.
3.   Reviews. Take a look to others portfolios. If we find wrong keyword, category or copyright problem– PM the owner. Suggest new-better keywords.
4.   Feedback. Inform each other about influence of changing (ranking, keywords changing …) on downloads
Thanks to try to understand me.
Regards,
Jacus

GeoPappas · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:17 »

Quote from: jacus on January 25, 2007, 07:07

1. Ranking. If you rank somebody’s photo - be honest. Rank only a few images, not entire portfolio. I will be happy (maybe happy it’s not a good word ) even if you rank MY photograph 0/5 if you really think it’s a crap. If we want to have real results we need real data.

As far as iStock rankings are concerned, here are the current findings from multiple sources:

- The more 5s the better. They help in bringing your photo to the top of the Best Match (default) sort order. The first batch of images that show up in the Best Match sort order will have ALL 5 ratings.

- But there are other variables involved as well, such as whether you are Exclusive (exclusives show up first), how many downloads the image has had, and how long the image has been online (higher downloads combined with an image being online a short time show up first).

- A non-5 rating will send an image pretty far down the Best Match order and basically kill any sales potential. The first images that show up on the Best Match are ones with all 5 ratings. So if you have ANY non-5 ratings, then you will not appear in the first batch of images at all. So I would suggest refraining from rating an image lower than 5.

My suggestions:

- If you don't like the image, then don't rate it. It will only hurt the image and can lead to retaliation and bad relations between members.

- If you have a suggestion that would help make an image better, then send a message (PM) to the artist.

jacus · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2007, 08:19 »

Quote from: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 07:17

Quote from: jacus on January 25, 2007, 07:07
1. Ranking. If you rank somebody’s photo - be honest. Rank only a few images, not entire portfolio. I will be happy (maybe happy it’s not a good word ) even if you rank MY photograph 0/5 if you really think it’s a crap. If we want to have real results we need real data.

- A non-5 rating will send an image pretty far down the Best Match order and basically kill any sales potential. The first images that show up on the Best Match are ones with all 5 ratings. So if you have ANY non-5 ratings, then you will not appear in the first batch of images at all. So I would suggest refraining from rating an image lower than 5.

Ooops, forget my stupid idea.

yingyang0 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:20 »

Quote from: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 07:17

- The more 5s the better. They help in bringing your photo to the top of the Best Match (default) sort order. The first batch of images that show up in the Best Match sort order will have ALL 5 ratings.

I've found that it only takes 1 five rating to get to the front. The things I've seen that they take into account are:

1) If it has at least one rating, and that the rating(s) is a 5.
2) Downloads/Month. For the first month they artifically put this number high.
3) Exclusivity

and of course you're keyword has to map to the same CV term that the search is for.

Peiling · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2007, 10:27 »

that's a great idea Jacus!! We should make use of CN to exchange useful infor etc.

Benefits everyone.

I only rate those i like and i give them a "5". I also add those i like to my "lightboxes".

Usually what i do is when i have a new CN. I will go throigh the whole portfolio maybe 100- 300 photos and rate those i like, sometimes 1 or 2, other times more depending on the photos. I only rate those photos that i personally think is nice and appeals to me. Other than that i dont rate.

Every now and then i will go to Creative Network tab and rate new photos from my CN. When i am free i will even go to browse and rate photos i like even of people i dont know. i appreciate nice photos ;-)

Feel free to add me to CN.

Tim Markley · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2007, 16:33 »

Thanks to you folks who invited me into your networks!

admart01 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 27, 2007, 06:50 »

I'd like to -- how do I do it? My name on IS is phototerry.

Quote from: Peiling on January 25, 2007, 10:27

that's a great idea Jacus!! We should make use of CN to exchange useful infor etc. Benefits everyone.

I
Feel free to add me to CN.

PenelopeB · « **Reply #38 on:** January 27, 2007, 07:39 »

Hi Everyone... just registered here but have been lurking for a little while.

I would love to add and be added too and would appreciate any feedback. Great thread!

I am with iS, DT, StockXpert, and just joined Fotolia, BS and CS.

PenelopeB

leaf · « **Reply #39 on:** January 27, 2007, 08:42 »

welcome here.

PenelopeB · « **Reply #40 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:47 »

Hi Leaf - thanks and thanks to everyone who did invites in iStock!

I think this site is great for non-exclusives so I can say iStock and DT in the same breath.

My bad?

digiology · « **Reply #41 on:** January 27, 2007, 14:44 »

i have nobody in my creative network but would love to get started.

Interesting enough I just found this thread on IS:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=46431

Looks like IS is going after "rating gangs". I personally will only give a 5 and will only rate images I like.
SNEM - That person that gave you a 1 is just nasty!

berryspun · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2007, 15:31 »

Wow Digiology, after having read your post, I went to see Snem's portfolio. Angelafoto gave hin 2 times 2 stars, and Alfiofer gave 5 times 1 star, and nothing else...

These ratings are all new, they were not there 2 days ago when I first went through Snem's portfolio. Definitely an unscrupulous agenda!

Alfiofer, like Snem, is also an Italian photographers, mmmhh...
Very sad...

yingyang0 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 27, 2007, 16:11 »

Quote from: berryspun on January 27, 2007, 15:31

Alfiofer gave 5 times 1 star, and nothing else...

These ratings are all new, they were not there 2 days ago when I first went through Snem's portfolio. Definitely an unscrupulous agenda!

I sitemailed Lobo about Alfiofer because it wasn't just Snem. When I was wiki'ing Italy it looks like he has done this a lot.

Edit: It may be an italian thing because I also found this photo that Snem did it to: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/where/scenics/landscapes/95949_a_sea_landscape.php?id=95949
It looks like Alfiofer and Snem got into a ratings fight.

snem · « **Reply #44 on:** January 28, 2007, 04:40 »

Quote from: yingyang0 on January 27, 2007, 16:11

Quote from: berryspun on January 27, 2007, 15:31
Alfiofer gave 5 times 1 star, and nothing else...

These ratings are all new, they were not there 2 days ago when I first went through Snem's portfolio. Definitely an unscrupulous agenda!

I sitemailed Lobo about Alfiofer because it wasn't just Snem. When I was wiki'ing Italy it looks like he has done this a lot.

Edit: It may be an italian thing because I also found this photo that Snem did it to: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/where/scenics/landscapes/95949_a_sea_landscape.php?id=95949
It looks like Alfiofer and Snem got into a ratings fight.

I must explain something. I did not understand that ratings would put images down in sales until about a month ago when I have rated 1 four or five pics of Naples' surrounding that looks awful to me and only one was of alfiofer. Naples is the city where I live, I know what its panoramas can offer to a photographer, so I have put to those photos a bad rating and I wrote a review. The day after alfiofer rated 1 five photos of mine without write a review to explain why. So I understand that images with bad ratings go down in searching and I write to alfiofer telling him the same I'm telling to you. I have changed to 5 all of my bad ratings. So alfiofer don't have bad ratings now, but I have. The right punishment to my unexperience. my question is... why let photographers the possibility of rating photos that a rate of 1 is considered "fight"? Why telling "it may be an Italian thing" if it already exists the english term "rating gang" or "rating fight"?
Regards,
Danilo

PS: please try to understand what I told you in the best way, because my english is very bad and it may be interpreted in the wrong way.

leaf · « **Reply #45 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:28 »

yes, I hardly think that rating fights are 'an Italian thing'. Perhaps what ying yang meant was that this apparent fight between the three of you was something internal between the three of you for some reason... making it italian.

nonetheless, I also think it must be a problem for istock. Rating fights, cliques giving only 5's to ALL each others images, ...

not sure what the solution would be though.

Dr Bouz · « **Reply #46 on:** January 28, 2007, 05:35 »

Quote from: phildate on January 22, 2007, 19:24

I have lots of people in my CN but rarely have time to look at their portfolio's. If I had a spare moment I might just do that but when do serious microstockers have any spare time???

-agreed 100%.
but i always find some little extra time to look to my CN members portfolios, and to see what they are doing lately.

GeoPappas · « **Reply #47 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:06 »

Quote from: leaf on January 28, 2007, 05:28

nonetheless, I also think it must be a problem for istock. Rating fights, cliques giving only 5's to ALL each others images, ...

not sure what the solution would be though.

Drop the whole ratings thing...

snem · « **Reply #48 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:15 »

In my modest opinion a solution could be:

let users rating images only with a thumb up (no bad rating): the sum of those ratings rates the image
do not show rating information in thumbnail list but only when an image is open: so rating have less power to impress a possible buyer
last, but most important, throw away from sorting/searching algorithm the variable "rating": no convenience in rating is the best medicine to abuse

what do you think?
Regards

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #49 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:24 »

I would think the best system would be, if only the admins and the reviewers can rate images. And that they should not rate images only fives, but 1-5 and 3 is neutral like an image which never has been rated. According to that they should also show up in the best match search.
And every reviewer should do a rating after he reviewed the image.

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Author Topic: Creative Networks What´s the point (Read 28059 times)

Tim Markley

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yingyang0

Peiling

Tim Markley

admart01

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yingyang0

snem

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