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« on: October 31, 2019, 04:09 »
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So submitted two photos of Lake Louise, same shutter speed, aperture, iso, focal length. Taken a few seconds apart and from slightly different angles. One photo gets approved and one gets rejected because of noise. Uh. I get it if both photos are rejected, prefer both are approved. But what gives with the review process?

Sorry rant over.


« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2019, 05:12 »
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Have to learn to live with this. SS and AS rejections are random.


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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2019, 09:08 »
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Rise of the machines?

« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2019, 12:25 »
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I'm not sure. But maybe.

StockDaebak

« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2019, 13:32 »
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So submitted two photos of Lake Louise, same shutter speed, aperture, iso, focal length. Taken a few seconds apart and from slightly different angles. One photo gets approved and one gets rejected because of noise. Uh. I get it if both photos are rejected, prefer both are approved. But what gives with the review process?

Sorry rant over.

Appears so random, same with video, I believe we can resubmit at least once.

« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2019, 14:11 »
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So submitted two photos of Lake Louise, same shutter speed, aperture, iso, focal length. Taken a few seconds apart and from slightly different angles. One photo gets approved and one gets rejected because of noise. Uh. I get it if both photos are rejected, prefer both are approved. But what gives with the review process?

Sounds to me like they're too similar. Let it go and get busy submitting either a) different subjects or b) the same subject from a nice variety of viewpoints.

« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2019, 14:13 »
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Yes, weird rejections last month or two.. Bad business strategy... I upload to other agencies :)

« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2019, 17:31 »
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Perfect!!!

« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2019, 19:39 »
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After a nearly spotless record of acceptance at shutterstock in video I an now getting 4 out of 5 rejected for ridiculous reasons like noise and artifacts when the footage is clean and denoised even when shot at ISO 100 in daytime on a GH5 at 10bits. My workflow has not changed and all of the rejected have been accepted with no issues at Pond5 and AS.  My guess is SS is going to start rejecting most non factory submissions.  16 years of producing footage and now boom SS acceptance wall.

I really find it disheartening after allnthe work I put in creating and processing these videos. I have never had a refund and sell thousands of clips a year on all sites combined.

Anyone noticed something similar in video?

« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 04:30 »
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Non native speaker, can you please define

"non factory submissions" ?

Thanks!

« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 04:34 »
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Non native speaker, can you please define

"non factory submissions" ?

Thanks!

They mean images/vectors/video produced by so called "image Factories" like Africa Studio who employ teams of photographers/videographers, set stylists and key word staff to produce large quantities of stock imagery often in the tens of thousands.

As opposed to the individual contributor like most of us who can only produce a hundred or so images per month.

« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2019, 05:24 »
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After a nearly spotless record of acceptance at shutterstock in video I an now getting 4 out of 5 rejected for ridiculous reasons like noise and artifacts when the footage is clean and denoised even when shot at ISO 100 in daytime on a GH5 at 10bits. My workflow has not changed and all of the rejected have been accepted with no issues at Pond5 and AS.  My guess is SS is going to start rejecting most non factory submissions.  16 years of producing footage and now boom SS acceptance wall.

I really find it disheartening after allnthe work I put in creating and processing these videos. I have never had a refund and sell thousands of clips a year on all sites combined.

Anyone noticed something similar in video?
Exactly the same for me James. Word for word. I'm finding it ridiculous.
I haven't thought about only factory submissions are being accepted. Is there any data on this?

« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 06:04 »
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I see bulk submissions of video factories passing right through, could be just my impression but my guess is they don't want to anger their big money makers. It may also be some kind of AI doing it and randomly shooting down submissions. Lets see if this corrects on it's own. 

All rejected footage accepted elsewhere with no issues, hmmm!

« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2019, 07:26 »
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I see bulk submissions of video factories passing right through, could be just my impression but my guess is they don't want to anger their big money makers. It may also be some kind of AI doing it and randomly shooting down submissions. Lets see if this corrects on it's own. 

All rejected footage accepted elsewhere with no issues, hmmm!
For what its worth I think some of the factories get a free pass or maybe only a sample inspected. I find it hard to believe SS inspect every single image at current submission levels. If a factory is making big money it does make business sense to do this whether its "fair" or not. Fairness is not part of this business now if it ever was.

« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 08:26 »
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2019, 09:28 »
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Same here. I upload mostly video clips and I got rejections that are really strange. I even got rejection on almost similar clip with person swimming in a river. One clip was approved the other one not because of bad release form.

« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2019, 10:57 »
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...also the review times is ridiculously fast, uploaded a batch, set my timer on the phone, it took 40 seconds and the review was done! ...


« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2019, 10:59 »
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So submitted two photos of Lake Louise, same shutter speed, aperture, iso, focal length. Taken a few seconds apart and from slightly different angles. One photo gets approved and one gets rejected because of noise. Uh. I get it if both photos are rejected, prefer both are approved. But what gives with the review process?

Sorry rant over.

lucky they begin rejecting....2 similar images of the same place from slightly little angel? in practice the same image...what's the point?

« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2019, 11:02 »
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I see bulk submissions of video factories passing right through, could be just my impression but my guess is they don't want to anger their big money makers. It may also be some kind of AI doing it and randomly shooting down submissions. Lets see if this corrects on it's own. 

All rejected footage accepted elsewhere with no issues, hmmm!
For what its worth I think some of the factories get a free pass or maybe only a sample inspected. I find it hard to believe SS inspect every single image at current submission levels. If a factory is making big money it does make business sense to do this whether its "fair" or not. Fairness is not part of this business now if it ever was.

agree,. they need this factory, especially  the in easter europe, to offer important lifestyle and model released images who are the bulk of sale. without them who in the earth rightt now would produce complex lifestyle shooting spending thousand dollar? nobody.

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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2019, 11:08 »
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...also the review times is ridiculously fast, uploaded a batch, set my timer on the phone, it took 40 seconds and the review was done! ...

I wish mine did that. Sometimes it takes days, but just for a reminder, reviews used to be days and many days and everyone complained, because it was so important that their latest "stock photo" of some sliced vegetables, a handshake or girl with a headset, was so important, and they had to be online right away.  :)

I always said, what's so important about the next upload, except news and editorial of course, that a picture of an egg and toast, that hasn't been in someones portfolio for buyers since 15 years ago, just has to be there, right now, today? Really?

Yes, I'd like Editorial to be fast tracked and isolated food to be side tracked for a week at minimum. LOL

« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2019, 11:17 »
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...also the review times is ridiculously fast, uploaded a batch, set my timer on the phone, it took 40 seconds and the review was done! ...

I wish mine did that. Sometimes it takes days, but just for a reminder, reviews used to be days and many days and everyone complained, because it was so important that their latest "stock photo" of some sliced vegetables, a handshake or girl with a headset, was so important, and they had to be online right away.  :)

I always said, what's so important about the next upload, except news and editorial of course, that a picture of an egg and toast, that hasn't been in someones portfolio for buyers since 15 years ago, just has to be there, right now, today? Really?

Yes, I'd like Editorial to be fast tracked and isolated food to be side tracked for a week at minimum. LOL


...i know it took days before, but now it is crazy fast (EU)Austria, but what worries my is that these "express" reviews will place the images in "the Void" never to be downloaded or seen by anyone  ;D

« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2019, 13:49 »
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Uploaded a batch of 10 videos... all rejected for bogus noise reason

Re-uploaded and submitted one by one after each inspection... all accepted

 ::)

« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2019, 17:24 »
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If we can rule out AI doing the reviewing (which I have no idea), then perhaps the really fast review time could be due to them having a lot of inspectors in 3rd world countries who are paid by each review. So they just sit by the computer waiting for images to hit the review queue. I've read that is how it works on Amazon's Mechanical Turk.

« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2019, 03:59 »
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If we can rule out AI doing the reviewing (which I have no idea), then perhaps the really fast review time could be due to them having a lot of inspectors in 3rd world countries who are paid by each review. So they just sit by the computer waiting for images to hit the review queue. I've read that is how it works on Amazon's Mechanical Turk.
Thats what I think. Its quite hard to get a balance between no available reviewers and submissions which can result in either very short or very long queues. Though I am a sceptic about AI in the end I don't think we have any real evidence either way. I don't actually care if its AI or humans or even chimpanzees so long as it works ;-)

« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2019, 05:04 »
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If we can rule out AI doing the reviewing (which I have no idea), then perhaps the really fast review time could be due to them having a lot of inspectors in 3rd world countries who are paid by each review. So they just sit by the computer waiting for images to hit the review queue. I've read that is how it works on Amazon's Mechanical Turk.
Thats what I think. Its quite hard to get a balance between no available reviewers and submissions which can result in either very short or very long queues. Though I am a sceptic about AI in the end I don't think we have any real evidence either way. I don't actually care if its AI or humans or even chimpanzees so long as it works ;-)

As long as chimpanzees are paid minimum wage...


 

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