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Seems like Civil War #2 has already begun. Congrats on squabbling over your own versions of the truth.
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 23, 2017, 20:14Seems like Civil War #2 has already begun. Congrats on squabbling over your own versions of the truth. I wonder who's the divisive "leader" who started it... And I guess you realise that the same culprit is not far from starting serious international wars, not only civil , just to prove that he doesn't have "small hands"
Are you seriously comparing wikipedia and snopes to fox news?
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on August 24, 2017, 00:25Are you seriously comparing wikipedia and snopes to fox news?You're missing the point which is accuracy and bias of information which varies. You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. You just choose to get your information from whatever "news" outlet caters to your bias. Wikipedia? While I think the intent is good the crowdsourced information is questionable. It may be getting better in accuracy but not there yet. Ever used it? I have and I've found quite a bit of copy-paste from other websites. Snopes? Who fact-checks them? Exactly.
You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are.
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.
Quote from: Zero Talent on August 23, 2017, 21:43Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 23, 2017, 20:14Seems like Civil War #2 has already begun. Congrats on squabbling over your own versions of the truth. I wonder who's the divisive "leader" who started it... And I guess you realise that the same culprit is not far from starting serious international wars, not only civil , just to prove that he doesn't have "small hands"I'm no fan of Trump. I was also no fan of Obama. They equally catered to their own sides which based on the almost 50/50 split of the last election this nation is clearly divided. This last election also uncovered the lying cheating mess that is both parties. We are not each other's enemies. We are just being led to believe that by the barrage of biased news, echo chamber social media, and other sources of questionable information. Wikipedia? Snopes? News blogs? Liberal CNN or Conservative Fox News? It's all bull$hit. The more people argue, the better the ratings, and the more money there is to be made at our expense. Division is big business. Carry on.
Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 08:22Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.Liberal news type of headline - White man kills black honor studentConservative news type of headline - Black man killed while assaulting white manThese both could be the same incident, the truth and based on fact. The bias is what facts are chosen to be reported or ignored. And again you keep pointing out Fox and drawing the division line. Have you not seen any of the CNN antics? Or like the news do you only choose to point out information that supports your side of the division line?
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 12:13Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 08:22Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.Liberal news type of headline - White man kills black honor studentConservative news type of headline - Black man killed while assaulting white manThese both could be the same incident, the truth and based on fact. The bias is what facts are chosen to be reported or ignored. And again you keep pointing out Fox and drawing the division line. Have you not seen any of the CNN antics? Or like the news do you only choose to point out information that supports your side of the division line?As fas as I know CNN has never promoted a lie as fact - Fox has on numerous occasions. That goes beyond bias to fabrication. Bias in reporting is one thing, making up lies and becoming a news maker rather than reporting what happened is something else entirely.
Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 13:37Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 12:13Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 08:22Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.Liberal news type of headline - White man kills black honor studentConservative news type of headline - Black man killed while assaulting white manThese both could be the same incident, the truth and based on fact. The bias is what facts are chosen to be reported or ignored. And again you keep pointing out Fox and drawing the division line. Have you not seen any of the CNN antics? Or like the news do you only choose to point out information that supports your side of the division line?As fas as I know CNN has never promoted a lie as fact - Fox has on numerous occasions. That goes beyond bias to fabrication. Bias in reporting is one thing, making up lies and becoming a news maker rather than reporting what happened is something else entirely. Of course. CNN would never lie to do anything shady. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/retracted-cnn-story-a-boon-for-president-at-war-with-media.html
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 21:01Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 13:37Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 12:13Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 08:22Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.Liberal news type of headline - White man kills black honor studentConservative news type of headline - Black man killed while assaulting white manThese both could be the same incident, the truth and based on fact. The bias is what facts are chosen to be reported or ignored. And again you keep pointing out Fox and drawing the division line. Have you not seen any of the CNN antics? Or like the news do you only choose to point out information that supports your side of the division line?As fas as I know CNN has never promoted a lie as fact - Fox has on numerous occasions. That goes beyond bias to fabrication. Bias in reporting is one thing, making up lies and becoming a news maker rather than reporting what happened is something else entirely. Of course. CNN would never lie to do anything shady. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/retracted-cnn-story-a-boon-for-president-at-war-with-media.htmlWouldn't it be good if politicians resigned when they lied or did something shady? I have no doubt there would be no president Trump if that happened. Every time he complains about fake news, I wonder how he fools himself into thinking nobody notices the way he uses fake news when it suits his agenda? Perhaps he really is stupid enough to believe some of the lies he has helped spread? Either way, I think he has proven to be completely incompetent and out of his depth as president and the longer he does the job, the more damage it will do to the US.
No he's not stupid but some of his supporters are but that is also true of other parties. When i look at Facebook I think there is a large population incapable of any critical reasoning or ability to see that not everything is black and white.
Quote from: Pauws99 on August 25, 2017, 03:03No he's not stupid but some of his supporters are but that is also true of other parties. When i look at Facebook I think there is a large population incapable of any critical reasoning or ability to see that not everything is black and white.I think it's not just large, it's the majority. More than half population will go wherever their leaders will take them. Which is more of a psyche thing than analytical abilities.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 21:01Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 13:37Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 12:13Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 24, 2017, 08:22Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on August 24, 2017, 07:20You called out Fox. Do you think CNN isn't biased? They all are. The difference isn't bias, it's in the truth - CNN doesn't make up complete lies like they do at Fox. Reporting what is happening, even with a bias, is not the same as making up propaganda, which is what is they do at Fox (and has been verified many times). To equate the two is ridiculous.Liberal news type of headline - White man kills black honor studentConservative news type of headline - Black man killed while assaulting white manThese both could be the same incident, the truth and based on fact. The bias is what facts are chosen to be reported or ignored. And again you keep pointing out Fox and drawing the division line. Have you not seen any of the CNN antics? Or like the news do you only choose to point out information that supports your side of the division line?As fas as I know CNN has never promoted a lie as fact - Fox has on numerous occasions. That goes beyond bias to fabrication. Bias in reporting is one thing, making up lies and becoming a news maker rather than reporting what happened is something else entirely. Of course. CNN would never lie to do anything shady. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/28/retracted-cnn-story-a-boon-for-president-at-war-with-media.htmlOh, please, get over it. There was a problem with a minor CNN story that was never widely reported and they immediately took action to retract the story and the involved people resigned. A mistake that was quickly corrected, which shows the integrity of the organization.In contrast, Fox has completely and deliberately fabricated numerous main stories, does not retract them at all or only after a very long time and the people who made up the "facts" are still with them. One organization has integrity and the other doesn't - there is no comparison at all.
Quote from: niktol on August 25, 2017, 05:15Quote from: Pauws99 on August 25, 2017, 03:03No he's not stupid but some of his supporters are but that is also true of other parties. When i look at Facebook I think there is a large population incapable of any critical reasoning or ability to see that not everything is black and white.I think it's not just large, it's the majority. More than half population will go wherever their leaders will take them. Which is more of a psyche thing than analytical abilities.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experimentIt doesn't seem like the majority of Americans want to go where Trump is forcing them to.
Quote from: Zero Talent on August 25, 2017, 07:06Quote from: niktol on August 25, 2017, 05:15Quote from: Pauws99 on August 25, 2017, 03:03No he's not stupid but some of his supporters are but that is also true of other parties. When i look at Facebook I think there is a large population incapable of any critical reasoning or ability to see that not everything is black and white.I think it's not just large, it's the majority. More than half population will go wherever their leaders will take them. Which is more of a psyche thing than analytical abilities.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experimentIt doesn't seem like the majority of Americans want to go where Trump is forcing them to.Noone says their should be only one leader/group of obedient followers in a society. Regardless, tribal behavior is here to stay.
So it is not the majority of the population, the way you stated it.
Use reductio ad absurdum to test your hypothesis:If a majority is always blindly follow their leader, then that leader will always be re-elected, for life, over and over again. Since this is not happening in real life, the initial hypothesis is wrong.
Quote from: Zero Talent on August 25, 2017, 11:28Use reductio ad absurdum to test your hypothesis:If a majority is always blindly follow their leader, then that leader will always be re-elected, for life, over and over again. Since this is not happening in real life, the initial hypothesis is wrong.Not sure how you arrived to this conclusion. Majority is not equal to all which would be required (among many other things) for your suggested reductio ad absurdum test. To me majority is >50%.
Quote from: niktol on August 25, 2017, 12:47Quote from: Zero Talent on August 25, 2017, 11:28Use reductio ad absurdum to test your hypothesis:If a majority is always blindly follow their leader, then that leader will always be re-elected, for life, over and over again. Since this is not happening in real life, the initial hypothesis is wrong.Not sure how you arrived to this conclusion. Majority is not equal to all which would be required (among many other things) for your suggested reductio ad absurdum test. To me majority is >50%.Same for me: majority means >50%.If >50% will always blindly follow their leader, that leader would be re-elected forever because he/she will ask those >50% blind followers to vote for him/her, over and over again. And they will blindly follow his/her request.Because this is NOT happening in real life, it means that initial assumption is wrong.Or, in other words, the majority is not always blindly following their leader.