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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2014, 09:48 »
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Probably the guy is trying to get is hobby to the next level and see how things are when you are shooting a live performance and doing it for free is the easy way to get the job (from you). And he has the D800 because he can, and probably has expensive glass also and that has nothing to do with that job. He just has it because he can. But like others have said, there will be times when he won't be available. A 200k job isn't something you just do from 9 to 5. There will be times when he will be in Bora Bora on vacations with a dancer and there will be times when he will be trying to improve his personal best in Nrburgring with his beloved 911. By then the club will call you back.


Goofy

« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2014, 09:52 »
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He shots in Jpeg mode and the images were good in respect to being bright and too grainy but not wall hangers for sure.  Also just found out that he is dating one of the dancers thus he might be done shooting if she tells him no more lol!



Shelma1

« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2014, 10:08 »
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Ah, dating one of the dancers....that explains it. So he's at the performances anyway, shooting his girlfriend. Still, cr@ppy of him to take a paying job from you. The other dancers might start to get annoyed when they see 90% of his shots are of one dancer in particular. ;)

« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2014, 10:22 »
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We are in an unfortunate profession where there are no entries barriers, such as law, medicine or engineering. Anyone can buy a camera and be a photographer as opposed to buying a drill and doing dental work. Then again, I have done my own plumbing work and have learned to hire a pro after so nasty mistakes!

« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2014, 10:29 »
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The playboy photographer might not know he is pushing you out.
The owner does. He took the oppertunity to get free services. People do.

I suggest you talk to the playboy, and tell him your side of the story. That you lost income because of him.
Ask about his grounds, and maybe you can get an agreement: That he photograph his dancer, and you photograph the professional part.

Also you can whisper things about model releases, editorial and lawsuits.
Rich Playboys, listen to sentences with "lawyer" in them, because they know they can be plucked.

« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2014, 10:32 »
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I know a lot of photographers who love shooting for free...especially women.  They do good work, and they are dedicated.

There main motivation is the "water cooler talk"..
"what did you do this weekend?" 
"spent some boring time with aunt sally... You?"
"I had a photo session with some hot dancers."

It is always a drag to loose a stream of income. 

« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2014, 10:49 »
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He is single guy (Playboy type) that comes from a rich family. My gut feeling is he is trying to lure some of the dancers to his pad. I drives a 911 GTS Twin Turbo Porsche and has a house on the ocean...

Oh no!  The ugly girls won't get any photos - just the "potentials"!

« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2014, 11:35 »
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Or does he want to get out of Microsoft into photography and is trying to get experience/build a portfolio?

This guy must be the dumbest man on the planet if he leaves a 200K job with Microsoft to do photography

I knew several guys leaving good positions in a big companies for photography - though it was definitely not dance club one (National Geographic or fine art)

« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2014, 20:26 »
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Ah, dating one of the dancers....that explains it. So he's at the performances anyway, shooting his girlfriend. Still, cr@ppy of him to take a paying job from you. The other dancers might start to get annoyed when they see 90% of his shots are of one dancer in particular. ;)

baddabing!!

« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2014, 20:27 »
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Or does he want to get out of Microsoft into photography and is trying to get experience/build a portfolio?

This guy must be the dumbest man on the planet if he leaves a 200K job with Microsoft to do photography

I knew several guys leaving good positions in a big companies for photography - though it was definitely not dance club one (National Geographic or fine art)

Are you related to uncle pete?

Goofy

« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2014, 20:30 »
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"baddabing!!"

LOL! Now he is using his 'extended' lens on the particular dancer. Just hope he has a hood on it  ... ;)



« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2014, 00:25 »
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"baddabing!!"

LOL! Now he is using his 'extended' lens on the particular dancer. Just hope he has a hood on it  ... ;)

I would strongly recommend an underwater housing! ;)

« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2014, 00:39 »
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We are in an unfortunate profession where there are no entries barriers, such as law, medicine or engineering. Anyone can buy a camera and be a photographer as opposed to buying a drill and doing dental work. Then again, I have done my own plumbing work and have learned to hire a pro after so nasty mistakes!

+1 although in Hong Kong you can buy second hand dentist equipment at the markets and start your own black market dentistry. owch. 

« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2014, 03:55 »
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"baddabing!!"

LOL! Now he is using his 'extended' lens on the particular dancer. Just hope he has a hood on it  ... ;)

How interesting. We never had a soap opera here at MG. Keep us informed, we want more chapters!

« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2014, 13:12 »
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What a fun post with so many amusing comments from everyone!  ;D

Sympathies on the loss of the business.  My 2c would be to keep the relationship open and bide your time.. do-it-for-free photographers can often have short life spans and you may be back in business when that happens.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 19:30 »
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Mark me slow I had to read it twice to get the joke. Actually I think Gene was here with that name before I morphed into an Uncle.

I predict Goofy will be back in business by the Ides of March. No tricks, no visits from my cousin Mario, no need to do anything but wait.

This is a passing interest and there's a personal motivation. Just like everyone else says, the novelty will wear off when working for nothing gets tedious.

(only Microstock professionals keep working for nothing...)



Or does he want to get out of Microsoft into photography and is trying to get experience/build a portfolio?

This guy must be the dumbest man on the planet if he leaves a 200K job with Microsoft to do photography

I knew several guys leaving good positions in a big companies for photography - though it was definitely not dance club one (National Geographic or fine art)

Are you related to uncle pete?

« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 21:19 »
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I have to say I'm one of those guys.  I have a great job as an engineer.  Although I love my day job, I love photography too.  I've spent much more on the equipment I own than I've earned back from my photos.

My hope when I started shooting stock was that eventually it would make me an income so I could retire earlier from the day job.  It hasn't worked out that way and I no longer think it will.

But, I have to say, I am cognizant of the fact that other people's livelihoods depend on photography.  Although I have done work for friends and relatives for free I don't believe I've ever taken a job away from anyone.  That's important to me but I suspect many people like me would not care.

When it comes to microstock I'd say we are all undercutting each other in the current climate.  Maybe I should feel guilty about settling for .36 commissions when all I'm doing is making a few hundred bucks to help buy a new lens or whatever.  On the other hand, there's plenty of other folks out there doing it.  I don't think what I personally do hurts anyone financially, practically speaking.

In the mean time, I have fun and I'm becoming a better photographer each year.  So I feel good about what I'm doing.

Maybe someday, if my skills improve enough, I'll create work that gets featured a gallery and sells for thousands of dollars.  Then maybe I'll make enough to quit the day job.  You can dream, right?

Goofy

« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 22:01 »
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"Maybe someday, if my skills improve enough, I'll create work that gets featured a gallery and sells for thousands of dollars.  Then maybe I'll make enough to quit the day job.  You can dream, right?

Than once you depend on your income from photography some rich guy that has a better camera (only does photography as a hobby) will shoot for free on all your assignments  ;)



Ron

« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2014, 05:28 »
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I have to say I'm one of those guys. I have a great job as an engineer.  Although I love my day job, I love photography too. I've spent much more on the equipment I own than I've earned back from my photos.

My hope when I started shooting stock was that eventually it would make me an income so I could retire earlier from the day job.  It hasn't worked out that way and I no longer think it will.

But, I have to say, I am cognizant of the fact that other people's livelihoods depend on photography.  Although I have done work for friends and relatives for free I don't believe I've ever taken a job away from anyone.  That's important to me but I suspect many people like me would not care.

When it comes to microstock I'd say we are all undercutting each other in the current climate.  Maybe I should feel guilty about settling for .36 commissions when all I'm doing is making a few hundred bucks to help buy a new lens or whatever.  On the other hand, there's plenty of other folks out there doing it.  I don't think what I personally do hurts anyone financially, practically speaking.

In the mean time, I have fun and I'm becoming a better photographer each year.  So I feel good about what I'm doing.

Maybe someday, if my skills improve enough, I'll create work that gets featured a gallery and sells for thousands of dollars.  Then maybe I'll make enough to quit the day job.  You can dream, right?
I am in the same boat. The parts in bold.

But, I do take assignments and if I take away a job from a pro photographer I am not going to worry or think about it. I have professional equipment, I know how to take a photo and I know how to process a photo and I issue invoices and have a business registration and pay taxes. So I am no different from a pro photographer.


 

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