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lisafx

« Reply #300 on: July 24, 2012, 15:11 »
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Romance author Roni Loren, who keeps a blog full of infringing images, has been put in the unfortunate position to settle with an unnamed photographer even after having promptly removed the content.

She blogged about the experience, which is a great cautionary tale against using images without permission.  The post is spreading through Twitter and other social media.  As a consequence, many fellow authors/bloggers have been frightened into removing their own infringing material, and this fear has spread to pinners to some extent.

This gives me hope that it wouldn't take more than a dozen copyright infringement settlements against pinners for the whole phenomena to implode.


Yes, talked about here:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/bloggers-beware-you-can-get-sued-for-using-pics-on-your-blog/msg264811/?topicseen#new


Maybe Hummingbird's post can be added to that thread.  It certainly adds info I hadn't known, such as the fact that her cautionary tale is spreading and causing others to take down their infringing content.  Very good news!


RacePhoto

« Reply #301 on: July 24, 2012, 15:21 »
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Romance author Roni Loren, who keeps a blog full of infringing images, has been put in the unfortunate position to settle with an unnamed photographer even after having promptly removed the content.

She blogged about the experience, which is a great cautionary tale against using images without permission.  The post is spreading through Twitter and other social media.  As a consequence, many fellow authors/bloggers have been frightened into removing their own infringing material, and this fear has spread to pinners to some extent.

This gives me hope that it wouldn't take more than a dozen copyright infringement settlements against pinners for the whole phenomena to implode.


Yes, talked about here:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/bloggers-beware-you-can-get-sued-for-using-pics-on-your-blog/msg264811/?topicseen#new


Maybe Hummingbird's post can be added to that thread.  It certainly adds info I hadn't known, such as the fact that her cautionary tale is spreading and causing others to take down their infringing content.  Very good news!


Kind of why I wondered if she really had to pay or if it's a cautionary tale because of a threat and scarey take down? Or a way to drive traffic to her site...

Whatever, I agree, more people reading it and understanding and believing it could cost them money, might add some thought to people who figure they can just use the revolving door policy and be free of any responsibility or liability. This could be good.

ShadySue

« Reply #302 on: July 25, 2012, 16:46 »
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Seems like the iStock/Pinterest affiliaton only works in one direction:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=345797&page=1

« Reply #303 on: July 25, 2012, 19:39 »
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Why they dont pin it in da assa???

« Reply #304 on: September 05, 2012, 12:06 »
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Taking the issue to the webmaster community, who have Google's ear somewhat more than artists and photographers:

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4491591.htm

Another viable Pinterest competitor emerges from the riff raff:
http://pinterest-out.blogspot.com/2012/09/unrequited-love-at-loveitcom.html

Meet the worst crowdsourced content scraper yet:
http://pinterest-out.blogspot.com/2012/09/ehows-spark-undetectable-unstoppable.html


« Reply #305 on: September 05, 2012, 12:07 »
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BTW, I'd love it if a few photographers would join the discussion on webmasterworld!

RacePhoto

« Reply #306 on: September 05, 2012, 12:57 »
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Good Stuff Hummingbird and I learned a new term today:  "crowdsourced content scraping"  thanks!


EmberMike

« Reply #307 on: September 05, 2012, 13:07 »
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Another viable Pinterest competitor emerges from the riff raff:
http://pinterest-out.blogspot.com/2012/09/unrequited-love-at-loveitcom.html


Whether you like Pinterest or not, the site you quoted offers one of the worst responses to Pinterest and LoveIt on the web. The article leads off with "Pinterest is little more than a dumb platform..." Brilliant. Pinterest is dumb. Great. Right away this is coming across as some that shouldn't be taken seriously.

The author then suggests using an .htaccess trick to replace pinned images with a replacement image, one suggesting that pinning content is "like stealing from the poor to give to the rich." Right. So we content providers are all poor, starving artists, and all of the website owners are the Monopoly guy (who, by the way, is trademarked and probably shouldn't be used in that graphic anyway). I'm not a starving artist. I will not "draw for food." This isn't a 99% vs. 1% Occupy Wall Street thing, and I think this sort of graphic sends the wrong message about you, your work, and why you oppose Pinterest or LoveIt.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be associated with this amateurish approach to protecting copyrights and I think people can find better ways to make statements against Pinterest.

ShadySue

« Reply #308 on: September 05, 2012, 14:05 »
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Whether you like Pinterest or not, the site you quoted offers one of the worst responses to Pinterest and LoveIt on the web. The article leads off with "Pinterest is little more than a dumb platform..." Brilliant. Pinterest is dumb. Great. Right away this is coming across as some that shouldn't be taken seriously.
Yup, you've lost all the pinterest lovers right away - many probably won't read on to consider the concerns.
Remember, lots of mainstream magazines and websites encourage pinterest in particular, so I'm sure lots of people really think it's fully OK.

BTW, it's not just pinterest and LoveIt - there is a huge range of pin sites out there, from weheartit to the many in different orthographies. Seems to be very popular in East Asian countries. It's a natural follow on to the site fka del.icio.us, which has been around for years now.

« Reply #309 on: September 05, 2012, 21:42 »
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The blog in question is mine.

I'm not trying to convince pinners - they are not my audience.  I think they are beyond convincing.  They know they're infringing, they know they're hurting artists already.  They don't need me telling them that.  They choose to do something questionable because they know they'll get away with it.

I claim fair use for my depiction of Mr Moneybags.  ;) It is an editorial and critical purpose and transformative as well.  I believe I pass the test.

Pinterest has received multitudes of millions from venture capitalists.  Even the most successful among us are "poor" in comparison.  I'm sorry you don't like the picture... but I have you down on my official list of people that don't want to be associated with it  :'(


ShadySue

« Reply #310 on: September 06, 2012, 06:15 »
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I'm not trying to convince pinners - they are not my audience.  I think they are beyond convincing.  They know they're infringing, they know they're hurting artists already.  They don't need me telling them that.  They choose to do something questionable because they know they'll get away with it.
I disagree. I bet the vast majority see it as being extremely convenient and don't even think about the IP issues, even if they've heard of IP issues, (or the same in other terminology).
If you are reading a website and it invites you to pin, and you have no other stake in IP in your life, why would you think it is an infringement? Loads of people have NO IDEA about that stuff. I realise that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse', I just don't think it's deliberate.

« Reply #311 on: September 06, 2012, 08:22 »
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I look at my visitor logs, and my visitors are largely referrals from fellow artist sites.  Pinners aren't even finding my blog.  That frees me of having to take an angle of trying to convince pinners to stop pinning.  Further, there are 10,000,000+ pinners.  There's one of me.  Even if I shifted my emphasis to convincing pinners, I wouldn't make a dent.

I'm trying to provide news, opinions, and bits of discovery to content providers about crowdsourced scrapers.  I know I'm not perfect, but I give 100% of what I got in me.  It is what it is.

I think what you might be trying to say, indirectly, is that you'd like to see some blog or website making persuasive cases devoted to illuminating pinners with regards to IP issues.  Something you could refer pinners to, with hopes that they may abandon the activity.  Something pinners could find when they google "pinning is bad"  ;)

You can refer them here:
http://mansurovs.com/pinterest-copyright-infringement-made-cool

He's making that tactful case against pinning that all pinners should read.  He's done a splendid job of it, it's one of my favorites.  And because he's done it so well, I don't have to.

There is also this article about the music business, but the parallels with pinning are easily inferred by the interested reader:
http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at-npr-all-songs-considered/

 





EmberMike

« Reply #312 on: September 06, 2012, 08:49 »
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...I'm not trying to convince pinners - they are not my audience.  I think they are beyond convincing...

Then why create the .htaccess graphic that is aimed at people who pin your images, and includs a message that clearly tries to convince them that it is wrong to do so?

« Reply #313 on: September 06, 2012, 15:14 »
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...I'm not trying to convince pinners - they are not my audience.  I think they are beyond convincing...

Then why create the .htaccess graphic that is aimed at people who pin your images, and includs a message that clearly tries to convince them that it is wrong to do so?


Once a pinner decides to infringe on material that belongs to someone keen on defending their copyright, that's the time to give them the message - beats letting them infringe, then finding the stuff, and filing endless DMCAs. 

I'm not sure why a blog addressed to webmasters and content creators allowing them to substitute copyright warning or educational images is a problem, though. 

« Reply #314 on: September 06, 2012, 17:19 »
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I have a couple of friends who love pinterest. I explained to them what was happening with the copyright infringement. I might as well have been talking to the wall. They love pinning, the infringement doesn't affect them, so they don't care.  >:(

red

« Reply #315 on: October 10, 2012, 12:06 »
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From Achilles on DT today - http://www.dreamstime.com/forumm_31459_pg1

Good news: starting today all images pinned from Dreamstime will include attribution and will not lose it when re-pinned. We're also working with Pinterest to populate/fix all images pinned in the past, so they will include attribution too.

This was a long wait and frustrating for many people, thanks to everyone for their patience. @Cleaper, you are correct, that would've been the safest approach. But then, there were efforts to do this and we had to see the impact and potential going any further with back-end implementation. Thanks again for your support.


ShadySue

« Reply #316 on: October 10, 2012, 12:59 »
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From Achilles on DT today - http://www.dreamstime.com/forumm_31459_pg1
Good news: starting today all images pinned from Dreamstime will include attribution and will not lose it when re-pinned. We're also working with Pinterest to populate/fix all images pinned in the past, so they will include attribution too.

How is this attribution implemented? I'm thinking of images lifted from pinterest and used elsewhere.

« Reply #317 on: October 10, 2012, 17:09 »
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Attribution is a step, but it does no good when the audience pinterest is catering to has no interest in buying images. And is the attribution to each individual contributors port and their name, or is it attributed to DT? I don't care enough to go read the thread, because in my opinion, agencies shouldn't be touching pinterest with a ten foot pole. But they seem to think it's going to translate into millions of dollars for everyone. I don't have my images with an agency so they can promise that my name will be used with my image. I have my images with agencies to make money.


 

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