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« Reply #225 on: May 31, 2012, 15:32 »
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When someone tries to pin to Pinterest, they get the fake hand-slap image on their pinboard (although they'd notice it in the interface first) instead of what they wanted.  You could obviously modify it to block whoever.  Or everything.  Since the graphic is Pinterest specific, I just blocked Pinterest.


« Reply #226 on: May 31, 2012, 15:47 »
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Hotlinking protection and Pitnerest protection use different principles.

I have hotlinking protection but that doesn't help against Pinterest.

I'm so excited with that .htaccess image substitution.  It's just what the doctor ordered.  AMEN and THANK YOU!

« Reply #227 on: May 31, 2012, 19:16 »
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OMG

The bozos at Pinterest do know my name.   :D

I just found out Sean's code doesn't work for me.  Why?

Because Pinterest is now magically, without telling me, blocking people from pinning anything from any domain of mine that I emailed them months ago.  I had sent them a list of 22 domains, many of which never had anything pinned.

All of them are now blocked from pinning.

This is as fresh as wet paint.

Those rat finks still control the effin' message and say "Sorry, pinning is not allowed from this domain. Please contact the site operator if you have any questions"

It should say contact your ATTORNEY if you have any questions.

BUT I'LL TAKE IT

THE GODDAM SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE BUCKET OF GREASE

What I have had to go through to get to this point... they sure didn't give in easy... they should have done this many DMCA notices ago.

But I never had to re-code thousands of web pages with no-pin tags... all they had to do was to block from their end.  They chose not to, they chose to give that low priority.

antistock

« Reply #228 on: June 01, 2012, 03:25 »
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This is too funny.  Within seconds of testing that method, some pinner commented:

The pin links directly to the orginal website. I don't understand how that is stealing?

WE NEED TO EDUCATE

impossible.
i gave up a long time ago.

my only hope was on lawyers and judges but it's turning out to be a smack in the face too.

photo agencies should AT LEAST recognize the piracy problem instead of treating it like a minor issue, it's not minor, it's major, and some of them are even encouraging the scroungers at Pinterest !

yet another disaster of the RF licence, we all knew it would end up like this and it can only get worse.

antistock

« Reply #229 on: June 01, 2012, 03:31 »
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When someone tries to pin to Pinterest, they get the fake hand-slap image on their pinboard (although they'd notice it in the interface first) instead of what they wanted.  You could obviously modify it to block whoever.  Or everything.  Since the graphic is Pinterest specific, I just blocked Pinterest.

what about setting up .htaccess only for Pinterest IPs ? i guess they only use static IPs to steal images, no need to block everybody.

« Reply #230 on: June 01, 2012, 06:45 »
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impossible.
i gave up a long time ago.

my only hope was on lawyers and judges but it's turning out to be a smack in the face too.

photo agencies should AT LEAST recognize the piracy problem instead of treating it like a minor issue, it's not minor, it's major, and some of them are even encouraging the scroungers at Pinterest !

yet another disaster of the RF licence, we all knew it would end up like this and it can only get worse.

I don't think it's a disaster of the RF license at all, I think it's a disaster of social media sites, their lack of respect for copyright infringement, and the lack of respect from the court system towards copyright infringement.

grafix04

« Reply #231 on: June 01, 2012, 06:52 »
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I don't think it's a disaster of the RF license at all, I think it's a disaster of social media sites, their lack of respect for copyright infringement, and the lack of respect from the court system towards copyright infringement.

I think that's what he meant - that it's a disaster of the RF license because of the lack of respect of our copyright from social media, the law and even worse now, from the very people that we pay to protect us, our agents.  What hope do we have now that they've jumped on the bandwagon to give our images away for free.

drugal

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« Reply #232 on: June 01, 2012, 07:05 »
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impossible.
i gave up a long time ago.

my only hope was on lawyers and judges but it's turning out to be a smack in the face too.

photo agencies should AT LEAST recognize the piracy problem instead of treating it like a minor issue, it's not minor, it's major, and some of them are even encouraging the scroungers at Pinterest !

yet another disaster of the RF licence, we all knew it would end up like this and it can only get worse.

I don't think it's a disaster of the RF license at all, I think it's a disaster of social media sites, their lack of respect for copyright infringement, and the lack of respect from the court system towards copyright infringement.

It is a 'disaster' of the RF license and the micro business model. You are the the happiest, and it actually works best when a pic just piles and piles up downloads. How on earth do you expect it not to pop up everywhere after that? How do you expect anybody to know if it's legal or not with the almost unlimited use RF model? That model is so ragtag even it's name is incorrect *. Whats wrong with you ppl? Are you adults? No brain? No common sense? Unbelievable...

« Reply #233 on: June 01, 2012, 08:57 »
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I don't think it's a disaster of the RF license at all, I think it's a disaster of social media sites, their lack of respect for copyright infringement, and the lack of respect from the court system towards copyright infringement.

I think that's what he meant - that it's a disaster of the RF license because of the lack of respect of our copyright from social media, the law and even worse now, from the very people that we pay to protect us, our agents.  What hope do we have now that they've jumped on the bandwagon to give our images away for free.

I see, sorry, I misread it. You are right, I think that's what he meant to. Thanks for pointing it out, grafix. Sorry antistock. Sometimes I skimread a little too much.  :'(

lisafx

« Reply #234 on: June 01, 2012, 18:14 »
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Is there anyway to make it so that when they pin an image from your web site they actually get a different image - perhaps one that says "I am trying to steal content online", or maybe a really nasty porno image.


I've modified my .htaccess file on my seanlockephotography.com site, so any attempt to pin from the Pinterest agent gets this image instead:
http://pinterest.com/pin/269793833897646473/
(which I host on their server, which is awesome)

Any ideas for better text?  That was just temp text...  I don't think anyone takes from my domain - I just wanted to write a blog post about it...


Absolutely brilliant Sean!  Well done :D

« Reply #235 on: June 01, 2012, 21:00 »
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Lol, thx.  Here's the kindler, gentler one for dribble.
http://pinterest.com/pin/269793833897648337/

lisafx

« Reply #236 on: June 02, 2012, 10:27 »
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Lol, thx.  Here's the kindler, gentler one for dribble.
http://pinterest.com/pin/269793833897648337/


I liked the other one better, but this one gets the job done too.  I can see why it had to be softened up for Drugal.  He's such a kind, gentle sort himself.  Always going out of his way to avoid causing offense... ;)

antistock

« Reply #237 on: June 02, 2012, 11:36 »
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interesting ...  in their career page there's this job position :

"Search and Data Mining Engineer

You will be responsible for mining our deeply linked data set connecting millions of people to the objects they love. Our data set gives us the opportunity to provide personal recommendations of unprecedented specificity and quality. Your work will help millions of people discover products, services and places they love."


so, it seems they recognize their search function sucks and they're realizing that unkeyworded images are impossible to find easily, their job description also clearly mention they plan on working on automted "recommendation" .. what's that exactly ? "related images" ? related pins ? related links to e-commerce sites ? how will this work, of course by cross checking the keyworkding and making keyword ranks on density etc .. hmm ...let's see ...

they also clearly state "discover products" and this can only mean they will add something suggesting links to buy products related to their pins ... if i steal and pin a photo of the Tour Eiffel i will be served with a box with ads from travel agents, hotels, etc .. i guess !

so, a poor man's Adsense basically but i'm afraid they're going to integrate everyting inside pinterest in a huge pin & buy scenario, a mix of Flickr, Ebay, and Amazon more or less, all based on stolen photos !

« Reply #238 on: June 02, 2012, 12:35 »
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interesting ...  in their career page there's this job position :

"Search and Data Mining Engineer

You will be responsible for mining our deeply linked data set connecting millions of people to the objects they love. Our data set gives us the opportunity to provide personal recommendations of unprecedented specificity and quality. Your work will help millions of people discover products, services and places they love."


so, it seems they recognize their search function sucks and they're realizing that unkeyworded images are impossible to find easily, their job description also clearly mention they plan on working on automted "recommendation" .. what's that exactly ? "related images" ? related pins ? related links to e-commerce sites ? how will this work, of course by cross checking the keyworkding and making keyword ranks on density etc .. hmm ...let's see ...

they also clearly state "discover products" and this can only mean they will add something suggesting links to buy products related to their pins ... if i steal and pin a photo of the Tour Eiffel i will be served with a box with ads from travel agents, hotels, etc .. i guess !

so, a poor man's Adsense basically but i'm afraid they're going to integrate everyting inside pinterest in a huge pin & buy scenario, a mix of Flickr, Ebay, and Amazon more or less, all based on stolen photos !


In an interview with Financial Time, Rakuten CEO calls it "discovery shopping".

http://blogs.ft.com/tech-blog/2012/05/rakuten-ceo-pinterest/

And in case you missed it Rakuten is the new $100mil investor in Pinterest. In effect, all the mindless Pinhags will become shills for Pinterest. So Antistock, you're correct in your assessment here. It will become all about the commerce. Rakuten now also controls Buy.com, so look for a head to head battle with Amazon.

Now let's take it a little further - let's suppose that pinterest is somehow willing to pay the pinhags a penny per sales conversion, or issue "Rakuten Points" as Buy.com does (I use Buy.com and points are issued to buyers for each purchase based on sales price.). The trailer trash housewives will be in a pin frenzy and will be able to get their chocolate covered bacon snacks for free. They won't be interested in stock photos anymore. It will be a fast sprint to get the Louis Vuitton handbags the husbands wont' let them buy.

And another article of interest

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/17/rakuten-ceo-on-the-100b-pinterest-round-we-want-pinterest-users-to-pin-images-and-buy-using-our-id/
« Last Edit: June 02, 2012, 12:49 by stormchaser »

antistock

« Reply #239 on: June 02, 2012, 14:48 »
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yeah, i'm really sad and tired.
i can't see any exit from all this ... and by the way :

- pirating mp3s with napster was judged illegal and the service shut down, but uploading on youtube a video made of a screenshot with a stolen mp3 seems to be fully OK these days, i can find ANY possible song i can remember even the most obscure ones as well as B-sides, bootlegs, remixes, lyrics, subtitles, etc

- sharing pirated warez on torrents and P2P is illegal and some trackers got shut down, on the other side uploading on MegaUpload and getting well paid for that seems to be now OK for the NZ courts ! Kim Dotcom will soon be free and back to business, all he's risking is to be banned to operate in the US and to set foot in the US.

- and now photos, which are free to be shared and stolen everywhere particularly on Pinterest, as if Flickr and google images weren't bad enough, now they will also use our photos to sell their sh-it on Buy.com and their other spinoffs, fully legal and backed by their horde of lawyers.

antistock

« Reply #240 on: June 02, 2012, 14:58 »
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The trailer trash housewives will be in a pin frenzy and will be able to get their chocolate covered bacon snacks for free. They won't be interested in stock photos anymore. It will be a fast sprint to get the Louis Vuitton handbags the husbands wont' let them buy.

exactly !
stealing photos will not be enough for these scroungers.

they will encourage pinners to pin like crazy and make some tea money with that, maybe also with bonuses, coupons, microcredits, or even a real affilation contract like amazon does with affiliate advertisers (and paying a pittance).

« Reply #241 on: June 02, 2012, 16:57 »
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yeah, i'm really sad and tired.
i can't see any exit from all this ... and by the way :

- pirating mp3s with napster was judged illegal and the service shut down, but uploading on youtube a video made of a screenshot with a stolen mp3 seems to be fully OK these days...

As an aside by commenting on the youtube aspect here, back maybe 6-8 mo ago, there was a video that gained popularity in photoworld and of course the photos were gaga bcause the video was made by a 13 yr old boy with a dslr, or something like that. But he snatched the music. When you turned the sound off, it was just another piece of youtube crappola. I've been editing video for a very long time, and I know garbage when I see it.

So back to the pinners - guess at a corporate level there's nothing like getting cybermules to do all the dirty work for you. And let them take the rap if things implode by twisting and obfuscating the law.

antistock

« Reply #242 on: June 02, 2012, 22:59 »
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So back to the pinners - guess at a corporate level there's nothing like getting cybermules to do all the dirty work for you. And let them take the rap if things implode by twisting and obfuscating the law.

yes, and they know very well that if somebody takes them in court it can go on for years and they can appeal and go forth again, and in the meantime the company can be sold to the next su-cker.

win-win situation ? they provide a free service and users provide the content, but wait a second, all the content is not even theirs ! it's stolen from us !!

« Reply #243 on: June 21, 2012, 09:54 »
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This is a must read:

http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at-npr-all-songs-considered/

Brace yourselves, it's a long one, but you won't regret the time investment.

Now that I'm substituting my pinned images with that .htacess trick, pinners just back up a page in their browser, and pin from the search engine result pages.  PIN HAGS can die in a fire.

« Reply #244 on: June 21, 2012, 16:17 »
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This is a must read:

http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/06/18/letter-to-emily-white-at-npr-all-songs-considered/

Great link! Here's one of the comments I particularly liked:
Why are we willing to pay for computers, iPods, smartphones, data plans, and high speed internet access but not the music itself?

Its because its far more difficult to steal the aforementioned items. The people who steal music would also steal iPods and data plans if the chance of being caught was remote. There have always been, and always will be, self-entitled people who disregard others.

« Reply #245 on: June 21, 2012, 16:45 »
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antistock

« Reply #246 on: June 21, 2012, 21:12 »
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more on using .htaccess against pinterest:

http://pinterest-out.blogspot.com/2012/06/educate-pinners-with-htaccess.html


hahaha i like the "Pinning is Stealing" one !

grafix04

« Reply #247 on: June 21, 2012, 21:36 »
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more on using .htaccess against pinterest:

http://pinterest-out.blogspot.com/2012/06/educate-pinners-with-htaccess.html


hahaha i like the "Pinning is Stealing" one !


We should all create accounts and pin them directly from hummingbird's blog.  That will fill up Pinterest's front page with these pins if we all do it at the same time.  We could all schedule to pin them every Friday at an agreed time.  Ya wanna?  ;D

« Reply #248 on: June 21, 2012, 22:07 »
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You shouldn't be able to pin images from the blog because I hotlink them from a domain that Pinterest is now blocking from their end.

You can have fun re-pinning from here:
http://pinterest.com/pinhammer

This being said... there are some things I'd like to know and cannot find out without someone else's help.  Anyone wants to play?

I need to find out if pinners still receive a personal email from Ben Silbermann when one of their pins is DMCA'd, and what that letter now says, if there is one.  That game needs two to tango.  One "infringer," and one "complainant" with an email attached to a Pinterest account.

I need to find out how many times you can have pins removed before Pinterest disables your account.  I suspect the answer is... never.  This game needs many players.  One "repeat infringer" and a multitude of "complainants" because variety of complainants is important.  Couple of weeks to infringe on your buddies with a total of approx 100 images, and another couple of weeks for the "complainants" to trickle DMCAs at a natural-looking rate.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 22:09 by Hummingbird »

grafix04

« Reply #249 on: June 21, 2012, 23:14 »
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You shouldn't be able to pin images from the blog because I hotlink them from a domain that Pinterest is now blocking from their end.

You can have fun re-pinning from here:
http://pinterest.com/pinhammer

This being said... there are some things I'd like to know and cannot find out without someone else's help.  Anyone wants to play?

I need to find out if pinners still receive a personal email from Ben Silbermann when one of their pins is DMCA'd, and what that letter now says, if there is one.  That game needs two to tango.  One "infringer," and one "complainant" with an email attached to a Pinterest account.

I need to find out how many times you can have pins removed before Pinterest disables your account.  I suspect the answer is... never.  This game needs many players.  One "repeat infringer" and a multitude of "complainants" because variety of complainants is important.  Couple of weeks to infringe on your buddies with a total of approx 100 images, and another couple of weeks for the "complainants" to trickle DMCAs at a natural-looking rate.


I'm game.  I'll one or more of your infringers.  I'll set up a dummy account tomorrow.

About pinning your images from your blog.  Re-pinning is no good as it re-pins don't appear on the front page.  What I'd love to see is their front page with nothing but copyright violations to quickly educate the public.  Imagine the number of pinners that would see them in one go?  If you're game, we can do it from a Google search but we'd need a three of four people pinning.


 

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