It will never end, will it?

truly shocking, prayers for the people in Paris

Dreadful.
Seems like it's over 100 from the Bataclan music venue alone, with more deaths at other locations.

140 dead reported already, 7 attacks all over Paris, apparently also attack at the stadium where there was a soccer match between france and germany. first curfew since 1944 in france

Oh no. I hadnt heard. I will go catch up. 

It is horrible. The downside of globalization is that all kinds of local conflicts are now being carried across the globe.

This is exactly the kind of horror the people in Syria, Africa and many,many other places are running away from.

You can´t live a normal life if horrible people enjoy seeing you in pain and making you suffer.

How can we stand up to this and use intelligence instead of blind rage or falling into despair?

It is also directed against the refugees and anyone who wants to help them. They want to let them know they are never safe, that Europe can´t protect them.

They also know there will be a backlash against all muslims and the refugees and they welcome that because it can help them to recruit new people.

Normal people have to stay united against extremists.

Retweeted WikiLeaks (@wikileaks):
Over 140 killed in Paris attacks tonight by Islamic terrorism. Over 250,000 Syrians, Iraqis & Libyans killed. Not funny then. Not funny now.

More than 150 dead (RIP), borders closed, a national state of emergency in place.
I hope all Parisian members of MSG are ok and safe.

Shocking... 

Prayers for all in Paris. Hope none of our MSG group was involved.

Quote from: cobalt on November 14, 2015, 01:21
It is horrible. The downside of globalization is that all kinds of local conflicts are now being carried across the globe.

This is exactly the kind of horror the people in Syria, Africa and many,many other places are running away from.

You can´t live a normal life if horrible people enjoy seeing you in pain and making you suffer.

How can we stand up to this and use intelligence instead of blind rage or falling into despair?

It is also directed against the refugees and anyone who wants to help them. They want to let them know they are never safe, that Europe can´t protect them.

They also know there will be a backlash against all muslims and the refugees and they welcome that because it can help them to recruit new people.

Normal people have to stay united against extremists.

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It's a tragedy to see european people paying such a high price for the anti-european policies of their leaders. Unfortunately I can't say I'm surprised, it will only get worse until people wake up and bring down the traitors. Stop the boats and deport muslims. Stop meddling in other countries' business uninvited and stop teaching cultural marxism to our children. People like to live in a plastic bubble - but war is coming to Europe unless EU breaks apart.

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 14, 2015, 09:29
It's a tragedy to see european people paying such a high price for the anti-european policies of their leaders. Unfortunately I can't say I'm surprised, it will only get worse until people wake up and bring down the traitors. Stop the boats and deport muslims.

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If the refugess all mass convert to christianity, judaism and buddhism, would you then let them in??

Don´t worry, ISIS hates all normal muslims much more than the Europeans or the West. The Muslims are their first target because they see them all as heretics.

The attacks in Beirut and Europe are happening because they are really losing a lot of ground in Syria and Irak. The Russians have made a real difference with their attacks.

Many ISIs fighters are deserting, the most brutal gang in the world is no longer "cool" if you are losing. They are very worried about their public image, that is why they actually have professional film makers involved when they arrange the murdering of hostages and make it as cruel as possible for maximum shock effect.

Attacking soft targets like in Paris or Beirut is a huge PR campaign they can sell as a great success to their own fighters and also get the money machine growing again and they will take in millions from crazy people across the globe.

Nothing is so useful to generate money as religion and war. Oldest business in the world.

An attack like this is an attack on all human values. And it is done to make money. War is a much bigger business than drugs.


They are criminals with professional international networks and have to be hunted and targeted like the drug gangs. We have to stand together and become more united, not allow them to divide us.

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 14, 2015, 09:29
.... and deport muslims.

And while you are at it,  why not deporting Jews and Gipsies.
Oooh wait, Hitler already tried it before you.



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Quote from: cobalt on November 14, 2015, 09:47

Don´t worry, ISIS hates all normal muslims much more than the Europeans or the West. The Muslims are their first target because they see them all as heretics.

The attacks in Beirut and Europe are happening because they are really losing a lot of ground in Syria and Irak. The Russians have made a real difference with their attacks.

Completely true. I'm in Beirut by the way and I witnessed many suicide attacks last 2 years.
It was European leaders fault to let Gulf states and Turkey gather and fund all those terrorists from all around the world in Syria to took down the Regime there..
It's not a refugee danger only, hundreds of French men (thousands from other European countries) fought in Syria and get back to France. They are there and well trained, sadly: these attacks can be repeated at any time, anywhere..

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad

Ex-US Intelligence Officials Confirm: Secret Pentagon Report Proves US Complicity In Creation Of ISIS
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-08/ex-us-intelligence-officials-confirm-secret-pentagon-report-proves-us-complicity-cre

Officials Admit ISIS, Like Al-Qaeda, Was A Creation Of US Foreign Policy
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-17/officials-admit-isis-al-qaeda-was-creation-us-foreign-policy


It's no secret that US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar funded the "moderate terrorists" who became ISIS.

Answering your question, no I wouldn't take them anyway. If you consider all the costs involved in housing, food, benefits, education, healthcare and also the inevitable symptoms like crime wave, housing bubble, ethnic and religious tension, you realize it's unsustainable even for the wealthiest country. The least european leaders should do is to consult their people with national referendums if they agree on taking immigrants permanently. Aren't we supposed to live in a democracy?

If you want to help, fund asylum camps for real refugees in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. Stop bombing non-aligned countries would be more effective though and we wouldn't even have a crisis if Saddam, Gaddaffi and Assad were left alone. In a way, europeans are also responsible for electing the same mainstream parties over and over again.

The latest:
"The Paris prosecutor says that 129 people were killed and 352 people were injured, with at least 99 still in critical condition. Seven terrorists have died following their actions."

Such a sad night and day.

I was in Paris last summer and I absolutely loved the city. Even though the Charlie Hebdo attacks took place there (including a prevented attack on a Thalys train headed to Paris) earlier this year, we decided to go anyway, knowing that it could happen again at any time. Despite that feeling in the back of our heads, we had a wonderful vacation.

And now it did happen again after all. To see hundreds of Parisians falling victim to a bunch of crazy religious fanatics is beyond tragic.
I can only hope that IS won't strike elsewhere, but our leaders should now take action immediately to destroy IS once and for all.

It turns out that one of the perpetrators of last night's attacks was a 'refugee' who came into Europe via Greece. It's our worst nightmare come true.

I'm very sorry this happened but it is hardly surprising, it was bound to happen sooner or later. With the influx of Syrian migrants it is no surprise there are terrorists amongst them, despite reassurances from the European politicians. It seems 2 of the terrorists in Paris came in through Greece.
There is a reason why the Gulf countries refuse to open their countries for Syrians.
I spent some days at a Syrian refugee camp in Jordan, before I really thought it was great we can help them and I truly am sorry to say that I left disillusioned to say the least.
For instance, they receive good quality UNHCR tents, after a while they receive housing from the Jordanian government, and these people sell, yes they sell their tents to poor Jordanians instead of giving it it to people in need. You should also see what they buy in supermarkets, top quality products, they won't settle for less. You see the same pattern in Europe where these people complain about not having a tv or good housing or break into a house just to watch tv for instance and they don't ask, they demand things. You should also see the footage from the Hungarian police where migrants throw away food and water that was given to them. They really give migrants a bad name.
Let me just say that Syrians are not very popular in Jordan, and there are 2 million of them there.
The attacks in Paris, Beirut and the downing of the Metrojet flight has nothing to do with religion, they are the work of terrorists under the name of a religion.
Sadly Paris won't be the last...

They were in no way related to refugees.

Solidarity with Paris and no chance for terrorism and racism!

Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 21:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 21:52

Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 21:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 22:00

Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 21:52

Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 21:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

I'd suggest you read my earlier post and that's the last I'll post about this.

Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 22:06

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 22:00

Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 21:52

Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 21:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

that's the last I'll post about this.

Thx!

They were no more refugees - or Muslims - than I'm a fish if I swim in the sea.

So-called IS may have seen the easy way to panic receiving countries by having false refugees staging attacks, to make it more difficult for people to escape from their strongholds.

What I would like to know (but I wouldn't like endless speculation and theories) is where all their money is coming from, and indeed from where they get their weapons. Many of our countries have dirty hands in the arms trade.