Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Funny... history tell us that after a Pandemic, recession and great wars (wwi and wwii) arrive. Calling it "Biden recession" when all the world is in recession? and near to wwiii after Russia start a war in Europe? I wonder what terms you will use when peace and good economy arise again. Dreamstime? ;D ;D ;D
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
Of course, it's popular to blame Putin, but ask yourself this. Who caused the highest inflation in 40 years? Who caused oil prices to spike in the US before the Ukrainian war? That's your answer right there.
You seem to forget the last two years of Covid... Also don't forget that the federal reserve is independent from the government, so you have to blame one.. or the other.
And if you blame the federal reserve... President Trump was the one who hired their director (Jerome Powell) in 2017.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
It's funny how conservatives worldwide always claim recession and inflation are the fault of the current government and never based on the mistakes of the former one.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
So, if you were the government.. what would you do ?
In Turkey, the inflation rate is currently over 70%! I assume that Biden is not responsible for this, right?
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
You seem to be confusing the US with the whole world. Because - surprise surprise - almost all countries are facing the same problems.
Germany, where I live for example - Inflation is crazy, the highest since 1981. Is that Binden's fault too?
Or could all countries facing the same problems right now not rather be caused by something all these conutries share? Which is not Binden, but a worldwide pandemic and an ongoing war.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
So, if you were the government.. what would you do ?
Stop spending so much money. Stop trying to stop domestic energy production.
Oil prices and Natural Gas spiked after we slowed down our own product of energy. This caused food prices to spike, along with everything else. It's self-inflicted inflation.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
So, if you were the government.. what would you do ?
Stop spending so much money. Stop trying to stop domestic energy production.
Oil prices and Natural Gas spiked after we slowed down our own product of energy. This caused food prices to spike, along with everything else. It's self-inflicted inflation.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
I assume you never cashed those stimulus checks that the corrupt Trump administration sent out to buy us off because you're all about the capitalism and not the socialism right clown.
Biden is too brain dead be corrupt. He could barely find his way down a hallway, let alone trying to be corrupt. That’s why he’s running the US to the ground. And I didn’t qualify for single penny of stimulus money.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Inflation levels and oil prices were incredibly high before the war in Ukraine started. China only started the lockdown.
The US economy shrank by 1.4% in Q1 and it wasn't caused by China locking down. China's GDP went up by over 4% in the same time period.
The main cause of the situation is because of energy scarcity and uncontrolled spending. Both of which are caused by policies of the current administration. The war in Ukraine doesn't help, it's certainly not the main cause of it.
The highest inflation in 40 years is caused by the federal reserve printing money it doesn't have. Failure to hold the people in charge responsible is reason why we're in this situation. So let's not make excuses for incompetent people.
So, if you were the government.. what would you do ?
Stop spending so much money. Stop trying to stop domestic energy production.
Oil prices and Natural Gas spiked after we slowed down our own product of energy. This caused food prices to spike, along with everything else. It's self-inflicted inflation.
American Energy production was slowed down because it was not profitable anymore. Russia and the Saudis were in conflict and the oil prices went down. After the conflict, prices were rising slowly, and the american (and Canadian) producers were reluctant to risk losing money. Energy production depend on company profits, not on governments...
Biden is too brain dead be corrupt. He could barely find his way down a hallway, let alone trying to be corrupt. That’s why he’s running the US to the ground. And I didn’t qualify for single penny of stimulus money.
"Man woman person camera tv"
For every Biden gaff, there are dozens of Trump gaffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc)
I love how conservatives complain about the evils of socialism and how free market capitalism solves all problems . Then when the law of supply and demand kicks in and the price of gas goes up 50 cents a gallon they complain that the government isn’t doing enough. 😂
For every Biden gaff, there are dozens of Trump gaffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc)
Fixed that. And what's even worse is the crap that comes out of Trunt's mouth that aren't due to speech issues and are just plain idiocy.
Actually, what's even worse is that Republicans will have had four years to find a sensible candidate who wasn't impeached twice and caused and insurrection and lied about the election. But they're just like "No, this guy is good because he hates who I hate and has no filter like I wish I didn't".
I love how conservatives complain about the evils of socialism and how free market capitalism solves all problems . Then when the law of supply and demand kicks in and the price of gas goes up 50 cents a gallon they complain that the government isn’t doing enough. 😂
I love how conservatives complain about the evils of socialism and how free market capitalism solves all problems . Then when the law of supply and demand kicks in and the price of gas goes up 50 cents a gallon they complain that the government isn’t doing enough. 😂
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn5XwMn/gs.jpg)
Well, if you look the green part as the market price, blue as the gas station profit and the red part is what governments are taking from the cake I wouldn't call this free market by any means ;)
Would you ?
Needs to be even higher to properly price in externalities (global warming, pollution etc.).
Well, if you look the green part as the market price, blue as the gas station profit and the red part is what governments are taking from the cake I wouldn't call this free market by any means ;)
Would you ?
You talk about supply and demand, so ask yourself this. Who stopped the Keystone pipepline and cancelled oil and natural gas exploration permits? Who artificially and intentionally constrained supply and caused the price of oil to go up?
You talk about supply and demand, so ask yourself this. Who stopped the Keystone pipepline and cancelled oil and natural gas exploration permits? Who artificially and intentionally constrained supply and caused the price of oil to go up?
Nobody stopped the Keystone pipeline.
Oh, wait, you meant the KeystoneXL which was for garbage tar sands from which the oil would mostly be exported? Is that what you meant?
Oh wait, nobody cancelled permits. https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-data-biden-slays-trumps-first-year-drilling-permitting-by-34-2022-01-21/ (https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-data-biden-slays-trumps-first-year-drilling-permitting-by-34-2022-01-21/) "New federal data shows the Biden administration approved 3,557 permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands in its first year, far outpacing the Trump administration’s first-year total of 2,658."
Oh, wait, you're talking about OPEC who constrains supply to make the price go up?
...they don't respect Biden, kinda like the rest of the world.I can assure you, the 'rest of the world' (I can't speak for everyone, but from what I'm hearing and reading) respects Biden.
...they don't respect Biden, kinda like the rest of the world.I can assure you, the 'rest of the world' (I can't speak for everyone, but from what I'm hearing and reading) respects Biden.
We didn't respect Trump, recognised him as an idiot ("does China have hurricane guns?") and couldn't imagine why anyone would vote for him.
I'd vote for Howling ‘Laud’ Hope before I'd vote for Trump.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
It's funny how conservatives worldwide always claim recession and inflation are the fault of the current government and never based on the mistakes of the former one.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
It's funny how conservatives worldwide always claim recession and inflation are the fault of the current government and never based on the mistakes of the former one.
And funny that the Liberals in power always blame the former people, instead of the current government in power, for all the problems.
... The price of oil has nearly doubled since early last year, not gone up 50 cents. The price of food also nearly doubledneither is true
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Right wing troll.
...they don't respect Biden, kinda like the rest of the world.I can assure you, the 'rest of the world' (I can't speak for everyone, but from what I'm hearing and reading) respects Biden.
We didn't respect Trump, recognised him as an idiot ("does China have hurricane guns?") and couldn't imagine why anyone would vote for him.
I'd vote for Howling ‘Laud’ Hope before I'd vote for Trump.
They want us fighting each other so we are distracted. That is what I see now. 2 wings of the same bird ...
My question for years is, who do these politicians really represent? Not the people or the honest long term good of the country. Which leaves, themselves and their party.
My question for years is, who do these politicians really represent? Not the people or the honest long term good of the country. Which leaves, themselves and their party.
It leaves a bit more options.
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
Lets Go Brandon
Brandon beat Trump, so keep cheering him on.
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Not even "Brandon":
https://youtu.be/pR-16jcccOw
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Not even "Brandon":
https://youtu.be/pR-16jcccOw
I think the whole Brandon thing is funny, especially how the NASCAR announcer had no clue. Lets not let politics ruin a sense of humor and irony.
"NEW YORK - The phrase 'Let’s go, Brandon' can be traced back to an Oct. 2 NASCAR race at the Talladega Superspeedway in Alabama.
Driver Brandon Brown had won his first Xfinity Series and was being interviewed by an NBC Sports reporter.
The crowd behind him was chanting something. The reporter suggested they were chanting "Let’s go, Brandon" for the driver."
I'm going to ignore the rest. Now NASCAR has dealt with the problem, by adjusting the mics that are used, and ambient background audio. Last race I listened to, it seemed they had a bit of stock crowd noise, playing behind the interview. A repeating soft cheer, like you would hear when someone is introduced. Once again, technology adjusts for the times and specific situations. :)
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Not even "Brandon":
https://youtu.be/pR-16jcccOw
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Not even "Brandon":
https://youtu.be/pR-16jcccOw
That's hilarious. Especially the part about the Fox News Reporters ! ;D
Lets Go Brandon
Hey, in a cutesy code way, Diana tried to say “Fuck Joe Biden”. She doesn’t like Joe Biden!
See Diana? Nobody cares.
Not even "Brandon":
https://youtu.be/pR-16jcccOw
That's hilarious. Especially the part about the Fox News Reporters ! ;D
;D
Watch Biden's full remarks here:
https://youtu.be/CdzGHBUEMY8
... and Trevor Noah's comments here:
https://youtu.be/_fpxCuorKjA
Funny!
I'm not American, so I consider myself objective - though you can never be really objective.
I'd recommend to burry all your hate and viewing as many trustful sources around the world as you can. If you do that objectively, that might dramatically change your mind and improve your mood. Hate is driving this world deeper and deeper into a crisis and unless we start understanding that we are in all this together, that won't change.
I seriously doubt that the hearings have an impact on Trump's cult.
https://youtu.be/hNIJH5gufaQ
:D
I seriously doubt that the hearings have an impact on Trump's cult.
https://youtu.be/hNIJH5gufaQ
:D
Video not available in Australia. But I agree with you that it most likely won't have an effect on right wing extremists or those who only watch Fox News.
January 6 Senate Committee Hearings.
Not sure where to put this, but seeing this was a former political thread, I am most interested in knowing others opinions. In particular, if you are a moderate, independent, or previous trump voter - have these televised committee hearings changed your opinion of trump, and/or how you will vote later this year?
Also, other recent events, such as the overturning of Roe v Wade, and the recent Republicans’ drive to tilt courts against climate action.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-drive-tilt-courts-against-152802826.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-drive-tilt-courts-against-152802826.html)
ETA. Or will it be down to the economy? (bringing it back to the original thread theme)
I seriously doubt that the hearings have an impact on Trump's cult.
https://youtu.be/hNIJH5gufaQ
:D
Video not available in Australia. But I agree with you that it most likely won't have an effect on right wing extremists or those who only watch Fox News.
Maybe this one: https://youtu.be/sjoI85MoXjM (or you could try to circumvent country restrictions with a VPN).
Spoiler alert, some of these cult followers suspect that even Fox News is part of some anti-Trump conspiracy! Imagine that! ;D)
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
What happened to the Roe v Wade thread?
What happened to the Roe v Wade thread?
I really don't know Annie.
I was the one who start the topic "off-topic" and my guess is that probably was removed by some moderator.
Maybe some people did not like and report it.
I care about people and my concern was genuine about what was happening in the news. And I know this is a forum about microstock but despite being an off-topic subject like this one, it didn't seem very democratic to end it.
my guess is that probably was removed by some moderator.
A juicy conspiracy theory is far more believable than the truth!
my guess is that probably was removed by some moderator.
There is only one moderator who can do that, the site owner. From the past, there are no other moderators. It's his site, he has that right.
When the discussion stops being point and counter-point and becomes personal attacks or lopsided, biased insulting attacks, (from opposing sides of the opinions) there's a high probability that it will disappear. 8)A juicy conspiracy theory is far more believable than the truth!
Yeah and I can never understand why? Seemingly intelligent people, will get fooled and spread the disinformation, as if it's factual?
Neither party has much control over anything, so they blame the party in charge.
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe.
"Heat alerts across 20 USA states. Fire west of Forth Worth burning more than 500 acres. Chalk Mountain fire burning 1,000 acres. Fires straining power grids in Texas. Boston declares heat emergency today. Sweltering summer that has shattered heat records across the USA. Climate prediction center forecasts dangerous conditions will prevail over the next few weeks for much of 48 states.
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe. Record temperatures recorded in France, Ireland and Germany. Record breaking heatwave in UK. London has for the first time ever issued a red warning for extreme heat. Airport runways are melting. The sun is buckling train tracks. Surge of huge fires across UK's capitol. The British government has estimated that these extreme temperatures have been made 10 times more likely by human impact.
There were so many emergencies in London today that the Fire Brigade has run out of all their fire engines."
This was the news that I woke up to this morning.
US record: 10 July 1913 , 56.7 °C
So climate changes didn't even manage to break the records from times way before them.
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe.
Fun scientific facts:
Hottest temperature recorded in Europe was 48.0 °C in Greece (Athens) on July 10, 1977.
US record: 10 July 1913 , 56.7 °C
So climate changes didn't even manage to break the records from times way before them.
I think it's more some people don’t understand "reality" vs "magical thinking" at some point you have to just give up.
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe.
Fun scientific facts:
Hottest temperature recorded in Europe was 48.0 °C in Greece (Athens) on July 10, 1977.
US record: 10 July 1913 , 56.7 °C
So climate changes didn't even manage to break the records from times way before them.
It appears you don't understand the difference between "weather" (localized measurements and occurrences) and "climate" (overall patterns and trends).
...
The world is about a century behind the times when it comes to energy science. One needs to ask, why? And who is behind blocking this progress? Turning people against people and making it all political. It shouldn't even be a subject for debate.
LOL. Like man has any power over changing the climate.
These photos don't do justice to the incredible erosion along Cronulla beach in Sydney's South - which just happened during very severe weather last week. Where you could walk down to the beach, you now need to slide down a drop of four to eight feet (or more) depending on where you enter the beach at. If you look closely at the photos, this erosion stretches right across the entire beach. I talked to two guys down there on Sunday who've been there for years and they said never seen anything like it.(https://esp-prod-west.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/submission/thumbnails/batch_27591937/6548549424795616_cronullabeacherosion1.jpg?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIA576K7E3NYQCQR7VQ%2F20220720%2Fus-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20220720T120053Z&X-Amz-Expires=604800&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=11900493b512b016729dfd82e3a40163fb4561e4eadd115725c3f3db1b079b87)
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Sydney itself is experiencing the wettest weather on record with both the wettest start to the year and likewise for the month of July. I grew up on Georges River at East Hills in Sydney's South West and my dad had owned the place since the 1950s. There were some big floods there over the decades, including two I can remember in 1986 and 1988. But none of this remotely compares to this year with already 4 major floods, 3 of which entered the lower house just this year alone. Other communities around the state of NSW have been decimated by the floods of March 2022 / July 2022. Check out my drone video (link below) of the most recent flood on 3 July 2022 in the neighbourhood at East Hills where I grew up in. For perspective, the flood waters you see in the yards of the properties there are well over your head in depth as you move closer to the river.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4le2vt1QUdY&t=22s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4le2vt1QUdY&t=22s)
My family were not prepared for this most recent flood (which rose very rapidly) and didn't have time to move valuable furniture / appliances on the lower level which were destroyed by the flood waters. As a consequence of the frequent flooding there this year, my sister is now selling the family home of about 65 years. The weather systems in Sydney seems like it has permanently changed. This follows the drought we had experienced in recent years, only ending in those devastating bushfires in late 2019/2020 which were televised around the world.
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The world is about a century behind the times when it comes to energy science. One needs to ask, why? And who is behind blocking this progress? Turning people against people and making it all political. It shouldn't even be a subject for debate.
unfortunately, it IS political - esp'ly w US troglodyte republicans & their oil industry masters (and one dem bot by the coal industry)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/politics/climate-change-manchin-biden.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/17/us/politics/climate-change-manchin-biden.html)
Texas education officials convened teams of volunteers to rewrite the existing standards, and industry members volunteered for those writing teams and shaped the language around energy and climate. Industry members rallied to testify each time proposals to revise standards got a public hearing.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/subverting-climate-science-in-the-classroom/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/subverting-climate-science-in-the-classroom/)
It’s just the latest thing we’re supposed to be afraid of. The sky is falling! The fix for climate change ... higher taxes! LOL. Like man has any power over changing the climate.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bs4MVY7nD8
LOL. Like man has any power over changing the climate.
You could benefit from following up with some science. You know, the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment which scientists have devoted their lifes to in order to accumulate knowledge that makes them come to the conclusion that, yes, man has power over changing the climate. It's embarassing how many people think they have more knowledge over things others have studied for decades or how they think something like a quick youtube video can give them better education that decades of scientific study.
Thanks Annie, indeed it's been one crazy year of rolling severe weather in Sydney, incidentally my first year here since 2008 after moving back from Canberra.
Thanks Annie, indeed it's been one crazy year of rolling severe weather in Sydney, incidentally my first year here since 2008 after moving back from Canberra.
Yeah, I know. I was watching your drone shot. Incredible weather!
Anyway, just make sure the aliens don't get you (I am still laughing at Wilm's response above. lol)
Thanks Annie, indeed it's been one crazy year of rolling severe weather in Sydney, incidentally my first year here since 2008 after moving back from Canberra.
Yeah, I know. I was watching your drone shot. Incredible weather!
Anyway, just make sure the aliens don't get you (I am still laughing at Wilm's response above. lol)
Annie,
do not underestimate the influence of the aliens!
There is a "Dr. Coldwell" here. Actually, he's not a Dr., but he likes to call himself one to give his thinking a scientific touch.
He is the one who announced that in September 2021 most of the people vaccinated against Corona would die.
After that didn't happen, he let humanity know in October 2021 that the vaccine was a mixture of cancer cells and spider eggs that aliens were using to wipe out humanity. He sold a dietary supplement that would save vaccinated people from this horrible fate.
Against this background, I must naturally assume that Bezos' and Musk's private space programs serve solely to contact the aliens in order to participate in the extermination of their own customers.
Anyway: you can easily see that the aliens are a life-threatening problem.
Yes. Absolutely crazy.
As I said earlier somewhere, some people find it easier to believe some way-out concocted story that the simple truth.
Hey, extreme fossil fuel usage and production is destroying our atmosphere! No, that's too simple and logical. But as Cascoly mentioned above, rewrite the text books because your oil-industry-funded politician doesn't want you to know the truth. And, yeah, that's ok.
Yes. Absolutely crazy.
As I said earlier somewhere, some people find it easier to believe some way-out concocted story than the simple truth.
Hey, extreme fossil fuel usage and production is destroying our atmosphere! No, that's too simple and logical. But as Cascoly mentioned above, rewrite the text books because your oil-industry-funded politician doesn't want you to know the truth. And, yeah, that's ok.
I want to bet on them jumping straight over reality without even touching it. Straight from “it’s all made up fuss about nothing” to “it’s the rapture and we should welcome the end of the world and coming of the lord”. What odds do I get?
Here is the truth.
You can cut the production of coal, oil and gas. Easy to do. Just pass some laws.
Then when power goes out because climate change does not react overnight, when jobs are
cut, when the voters go crazy and throw out the politicians things turn around over night.
The production of fossil fuels resumes, more tons of CO2 are tossed into the atmosphere
and we are back to square one.
Obviously that's not the answer.
Technology is the answer. Until nuclear fusion is made workable, until the CO2 is taken out
of the air with new technology things are only going to get worse.
It does no good for California to go green crazy when China, Russia and OPEC laugh and produce
even more hydrocarbon fuels.
Technology is the answer.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11031771/Scientists-developing-train-car-remove-3-000-tonnes-CO2-air-year.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11031771/Scientists-developing-train-car-remove-3-000-tonnes-CO2-air-year.html)
This is one solution. If it can be scaled down to where every car has one of these, then you will see progress.
Cutting the production of hydrocarbons is like slicing your own throat.
Civilization needs power. There is no way around that.
Another painful way is to legislate every new building must have solar panels.
Every house, factory, store, and hotel must have solar panels.
Here is another solution.
https://www.solarwindow.com/ (https://www.solarwindow.com/)
Cutting energy production will get you tossed out off office faster than you can turn the lights out.
The hard truth is it will take 30 years to turn this thing around but progress is being made. Slowly.
Germany is the classic example of being energy stupid. They went green crazy, sucked up to Ivan for
cheap natural gas, did away with their nuclear power plants and installed millions and millions of solar panels
all over the country. Now they are having to dig more coal to produce more power.
Yup, they dug their own hole they are now desperate to get out of.
We did not get into this climate change problem overnight and we are not going to get out of it overnight.
Nuclear power plants, solar power, forest management, smart farming can all help but the hard truth nobody
want to talk about is there are too damned many people on this planet and more are being created every day.
So maybe we need a nice nuclear war. Create nuclear winter, cut the population. Yeah, some people advocate that
crazy crap. I don't.
Every time you pop open a carbonated soft drink you are putting CO2 into the air. Your demand for those soft drinks
creates factories that pour out more CO2 into the atmosphere. It's not just power plants that pollute.
People are the worst problem.
in Germany (as well as in the USA) wind energy has a share in energy production twice as high as solar energy.
And energy-stupid Germany has managed to cover 45% of its total energy demand from renewable energy sources in 2020.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons why per capita CO2 emissions in energy-stupid Germany are only about half of those in the United States - for example.
Looking back, there can be little doubt that it was a mistake that Germany shut down the nuclear power generation so quickly.
Joe,
And unfortunately, as you yourself have written, we are still waiting in vain for a breakthrough in nuclear fusion and other new technological advances.
Here ist the truth:
Perhaps the greatest stupidity of mankind - to give an allegorical example - is that it still thinks it can drive a V12 pickup truck with over 700 hp, weighing 2.5 tons and consuming over 20 liters per 100 km, to the bakery 500 meters away to get bread rolls.
America is doing a super job in the green energy field. We have different states like California and Texas who have a totally different approach to name just a few. Once something becomes profitable to do you can bet the evil energy companies will jump on it.
For now the entire planet is on a fossil fuel diet because fossil fuels are cheap.
Me? I'm not going to worry about it. I'm 77 years old, so I'm not buying solar panels for my house. I will never get the money back.
I have 4 air conditioners in my home. Sometimes I use all four on full turbo blast. This week temperatures have been in triple digits every day. BUT the electricity I use comes from a nuclear power plant with natural gas plants to kick in when electric use spikes.
Coal fired plants in America are being converted to natural gas. It's a slow process. People seem to think a politician can just snap his or her fingers and cure the problem. Good luck with that.
Joe,
And unfortunately, as you yourself have written, we are still waiting in vain for a breakthrough in nuclear fusion and other new technological advances.
Here ist the truth:
Perhaps the greatest stupidity of mankind - to give an allegorical example - is that it still thinks it can drive a V12 pickup truck with over 700 hp, weighing 2.5 tons and consuming over 20 liters per 100 km, to the bakery 500 meters away to get bread rolls.
Hahahahaha! I like that pickup truck. Have not seen one like this but it sounds like fun.
Germany has a massive problem producing electricity. That is why they are powering up coal powered plants.
The other problem is fuel. Fuel for cars and trucks is not that much of the equation. Fuel use for cargo ships is enormous.
About 60,000 gallons of marine fuel per day! Add in the airplanes and the military use and pretty soon you are talking big numbers.
Yeah, a lot of people all over the world are stupid crazy in their use of automobiles and trucks. But that is a tiny number compared to the industrial uses.
I myself right now drive a GMC Terrain. I get about 20 mpg give or take. I'm waiting for my new Ford Transit Connect cargo van so I can travel more and camp out. Because it's 10 years newer than my Terrain it does get slightly better mileage. About 24 mpg in city.
I have waited on that van for 6 months now and have only 6 more months to go. World wide chip shortage they tell me.
The blame game won't solve anything. Wishing won't solve anything. The truth is we are about 30 years from converting from current
energy production into carbon free energy production. There is nothing politicians, activists or loony tunes can do to speed this up.
Most of the goodies like converting CO2 into gasoline or other fuels is decades away. Most methods in the lab don't make it into reality because of cost or whatever. Those that do are decades from lab to mass production.
America is doing a super job in the green energy field. We have different states like California and Texas who have a totally different approach to name just a few. Once something becomes profitable to do you can bet the evil energy companies will jump on it.
For now the entire planet is on a fossil fuel diet because fossil fuels are cheap.
Me? I'm not going to worry about it. I'm 77 years old, so I'm not buying solar panels for my house. I will never get the money back.
I have 4 air conditioners in my home. Sometimes I use all four on full turbo blast. This week temperatures have been in triple digits every day. BUT the electricity I use comes from a nuclear power plant with natural gas plants to kick in when electric use spikes.
Coal fired plants in America are being converted to natural gas. It's a slow process. People seem to think a politician can just snap his or her fingers and cure the problem. Good luck with that.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
LOL. Like man has any power over changing the climate.
You could benefit from following up with some science. You know, the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment which scientists have devoted their lifes to in order to accumulate knowledge that makes them come to the conclusion that, yes, man has power over changing the climate. It's embarassing how many people think they have more knowledge over things others have studied for decades or how they think something like a quick youtube video can give them better education that decades of scientific study.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
The war in the Ukraine may be more urgent now, but that does not mean that we can afford to ignore the climate change:
1. It is already happening. The average temperatures have already increased significantly.
2. We cannot decarbonize our economies in a few years. If we want to have near zero CO2 emissions in 30 years, we have to start in earnest now. And even then it will not be easy to manage it in this time frame.
3. There will always be some other crisis that seems more urgent at the moment. Now it is the war in the Ukraine, before it was Corona and next it may be about Taiwan or some other thing. We have to be able to handle the current crisies and still proceed with the energy transition.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
It’s just the latest thing we’re supposed to be afraid of. The sky is falling! The fix for climate change ... higher taxes! LOL. Like man has any power over changing the climate.
No, no human being can change anything. If these stupid aliens would finally stop tilting the earth's axis and irradiating the polar caps, the permafrost soils and the Amazon rain forests with their high-power lasers.
But as long as we cannot convert these aliens, we humans should in any case continue as before.
...one of the best scifi novels i've read in recent years is Cixin Liu's 3 body problem, which tackles that problem
Against this background, I must naturally assume that Bezos' and Musk's private space programs serve solely to contact the aliens in order to participate in the extermination of their own customers.
Anyway: you can easily see that the aliens are a life-threatening problem.
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The war in the Ukraine may be more urgent now, but that does not mean that we can afford to ignore the climate change:
1. It is already happening. The average temperatures have already increased significantly.
2. We cannot decarbonize our economies in a few years. If we want to have near zero CO2 emissions in 30 years, we have to start in earnest now. And even then it will not be easy to manage it in this time frame.
3. There will always be some other crisis that seems more urgent at the moment. Now it is the war in the Ukraine, before it was Corona and next it may be about Taiwan or some other thing. We have to be able to handle the current crisies and still proceed with the energy transition.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
What happened? Did you get out of the wrong side of the bed or something?
Anyway, the urgent part is that there is a critical USA midterm election coming up in less than 4 months time.
What happened to your Ukrainian war threads?
Lol, I had a perfect sleep last night! ;D It's not just a thought that popped up in my mind this morning.
What I said above is also what I told to people who knocked on my door to ask me to vote for a representative, who had global warming on top of her agenda. I told them to move it to #10 or so, and to deal with urgent matters first, matters that are impacting people's life TODAY. Or else she might lose her election, allowing some Trumpet to take her spot in congress.
We can't afford to play God and trade the life of people who are dying today, against the life of people who may or may not die sometime in the distant future.
PS. Those Ukraine threads were not mine. I only replied to a couple of them, meanwhile deleted by the admin, for some unknown reason.
"Extreme heat in 21 European countries and USA danger zones with 100 million plus population, threaten food supply, travel and even lives.
Multiple heatwaves across the globe. London officials saying they have never seen heatwaves on this scale before. In Spain, France, and Italy, wildfires are spreading rapidly. In major cities, travel is disrupted, trains & flights are cancelled due to the heat and causing a global ripple effect. Hundreds have died in Portugal. Over a 1,000 deaths in Europe. Scientists have been warning about global warming for decades, and now say that heat devastation is here and is a crisis." (Source: CNN)
"Heat alerts across 20 USA states. Fire west of Forth Worth burning more than 500 acres. Chalk Mountain fire burning 1,000 acres. Fires straining power grids in Texas. Boston declares heat emergency today. Sweltering summer that has shattered heat records across the USA. Climate prediction center forecasts dangerous conditions will prevail over the next few weeks for much of 48 states.
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe. Record temperatures recorded in France, Ireland and Germany. Record breaking heatwave in UK. London has for the first time ever issued a red warning for extreme heat. Airport runways are melting. The sun is buckling train tracks. Surge of huge fires across UK's capitol. The British government has estimated that these extreme temperatures have been made 10 times more likely by human impact.
There were so many emergencies in London today that the Fire Brigade has run out of all their fire engines."**
This was the news that I woke up to this morning.
**CNNs words not mine.
I actually do read stuff from world climate scientists.
I want to hear YOUR plan for how climate can be changed. There is lots we can do to clean up earth, but it still won’t change the climate.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
All this discussion is OK, but there are other matters of much higher importance going on these days.
The global warming debate should not divert our attention from the abomination that is the invasion of Ukraine, for example, or from other reasons causing unnecessary deaths TODAY.
These urgent matters should be on the front page today, not problems that may happen 30 years from now.
This is a problem indeed, but a luxury problem.
Let's get our priorities straight.
The most common reason for wars is disputes over access to important resources. If the climate issue continues to develop in this way, water will be the raw material that causes more wars than oil, gas and coal combined. And that won't just become a problem in 30 years.
The second most common reason is power. I fear that soon, near Ukraine, the Syrian conflict will be reignited. When you fear losing power (i.e. an election), you shift your domestic problems to the outside. The fire in Syria could be doused with gasoline once again by Erdogan in a very short time. He must show strength and divert attention from inflation and his country's economic problems. And he doesn't want to be talked into it by Putin and Raisi (Khamenei). Just as little, as China in relation to Taiwan. Or Hong Kong.
The first issue, Zero Talent, seems far away and the second so close. But we must not deceive ourselves there, because the first theme only seems more fictional and therefore not so important. But this is a fallacy.
No, I never said the problem is fictional. Global warming is real.
I'm only saying that it has a lower priority than many other urgent matters, TODAY.
People unnecessarily dying TODAY is an undeniable reality, people dying in the distant future is a probability.
Certainty beats probability.
If politicians will continue to neglect clear and present dangers, happening under their eyes, in favor of future problems that may or may not happen as we think today, they will only lose elections against global warming deniers, and we will end up being ruled by stupid people.
And that's the reality many idealists fail to acknowledge.
No, I never said the problem is fictional. Global warming is real.
I'm only saying that it has a lower priority than many other urgent matters, TODAY.
People unnecessarily dying TODAY is an undeniable reality, people dying in the distant future is a probability.
Certainty beats probability.
If politicians will continue to neglect clear and present dangers, happening under their eyes, in favor of future problems that may or may not happen as we think today, they will only lose elections against global warming deniers, and we will end up being ruled by stupid people.
And that's the reality many idealists fail to acknowledge.
Climate change linked to to 5 million deaths in 2021 alone...
EDIT: I am not prepared to go to bat over this exact figure as I have only been able to find the headlines and not the original study (which may be behind a paywall). My point is climate change is causing many deaths today. There will always be another “more pressing” event to take the spotlight. More wars will even be happening because of climate change. Fighting over water, need for more liveable or farm-able land as areas become uninhabitable. We need to walk and chew bubble gum on this one.
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In the US, there are claims of between 600 to 1300 deaths/year "linked to climate change". While these deaths are unfortunate, their relatively low number, can't justify climate change as a top priority.
You are proving my point. This type of exaggeration is impacting the credibility of those who make the climate change argument.
In fact, there are studies showing that due to technological progress, fewer people are dying from natural disasters today compared with a century ago.
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In the US, there are claims of between 600 to 1300 deaths/year "linked to climate change". While these deaths are unfortunate, their relatively low number, can't justify climate change as a top priority.
You are proving my point. This type of exaggeration is impacting the credibility of those who make the climate change argument.
In fact, there are studies showing that due to technological progress, fewer people are dying from natural disasters today compared with a century ago.
deaths aren't the main argument for dealing w climate change - the reason to deal w it NOW is that we continue to make the situation worse and future decades will bring much more serious effects
just one excample - the arctic icecap used to reflect a large portion of the sun's radiation (aka heat) now the arctic becomes open earlier each year, leading to more heating, leading to earlier disappearance.
droughts will worsen, coasts will be inundated, crops will fail- but one of the major reasons for lack of political response (not counting those who dont even admit it's happening) is that those are long term problems, but neither corporate concentration on short term profits, nor politicians who focus only on the next election lead to any effective response today
To paraphrase Thatcher, there is no community. It is in the interests of billions of individuals to make climate change a high priority.
If there is one thing I can't stand hearing anymore, then it's the constant denying or downplaying of severe issues with the claim that these issues were not really bad and someone was making them appear more serious just so he could earn money with them. It's the same with the corona virus issue. "The parma industry just wants to make money!". ::)
Oh my gosh. People actually want to make money and not work for free! What a shock! Are there people profiting financially from crises? Yes, of course! But it's not the pharma industry or the solar energy industry or whatever that is warning us about climate change or pandemics. It's scientist. And not just individual ones who, of course, get paid by various industries as well, but it's scientific consensus all over the world! One has to be nuts and nose deep in conspiracy theories to assume that prrofiting industries managed to manipulatre scientist all over the world to come to the same conclusions.
Also, why is it held agains one industry to want to make money, but not the other? Take Germany. One of the reasons we still haven't ditched coal mining is the constant whining about all the jobs that will be lost. So what's the plan? We keep supporting a not sustainable production of energy, so people don't lose jobs, creating new jobs in that industry all the time so we have a neverending cycle till we run out of coal and these people lose their jobs anyways? Why not instead focus on creating jobs with another energy? Solar energy? Wind energy? Geothermal energy? Biomass from plants? Hydropower? But, oh no, it's the evil sustainable energy industry that "just wants to make money" and manipulate us. Because the coal mining industry is a charity and does not want to make money at all. ::)
Yes, someone profits from changes that would come with measures to fight climate change. But there is always also someoen who profits from not taking these measures. Why not point fingers at these people? The ones who do not want the change, do not want to fight climate change, because it would mean they'd make less money? Why is it always the people who want to fight climate change that get blamed for "just wanting to make money", why not the people who want to fight these measures, because, just the same, they "just want to make money?" For example Porsche just successfully influenced german politicans to fight the EU wide stop of production of fuel based cars. There sole motive to fight this change was the fear of losing profit. But people who want to fight climate change and would profit from it financially are somehow the bad guys? All of this doesn't make sense.
Here is the result of a recent poll clarifying the American voter's priorities.
Failing to ackowledge the reality, endorsing far-left extremist positions disconnected from these priorities will only alienate voters, opening the path for stupid politicians to gain (or return to) power.
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Adopting a realistic, pragmatic approach to climate change, instead of this all-in, extremist, far-left, uncompromising attitude, will be far more efficient.
https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news/latest/2021-articles/worlds-largest-study-of-global-climate-related-mortality-links-5-million-deaths-a-year-to-abnormal-temperatures (https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news/latest/2021-articles/worlds-largest-study-of-global-climate-related-mortality-links-5-million-deaths-a-year-to-abnormal-temperatures)
Doesn't take account of indirect deaths where climate change is a contributing factor, for example the Syrian civil war. Not sure why this is a left vs right issue? Shouldn’t the right be conservative (small c) and want to save the environment?
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It is frightening - for a Central European - to see how much weight the topic of guns carries.
It is astonishing that the topic of climate change is at the bottom of the poll results.
I am absolutely sure that this will change very soon.
Here is the result of a recent poll clarifying the American voter's priorities.
Failing to ackowledge the reality, endorsing far-left extremist positions disconnected from these priorities will only alienate voters, opening the path for stupid politicians to gain (or return to) power.
Here is the result of a recent poll clarifying the American voter's priorities.
Failing to acknowledge the reality, endorsing far-left extremist positions disconnected from these priorities will only alienate voters, opening the path for stupid politicians to gain (or return to) power.
Thanks.
At least now we can discuss what the underlying problems are rather than just debating and attacking each other.
Economy is often the top priority in a lot of countries**, but its really sad though, that if in America, some think its a 'far-left extremist position' when this kind of thing is happening right now.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/california-fires-a-wildfire-is-burning-out-of-control-near-yosemite/b2d283ea-b12b-4af3-a441-aaaf36a1ab16#5 (https://www.9news.com.au/world/california-fires-a-wildfire-is-burning-out-of-control-near-yosemite/b2d283ea-b12b-4af3-a441-aaaf36a1ab16#5)
** Its the old "its the economy, stupid' reference.
("The economy, stupid" is a phrase that was coined by James Carville in 1992. It is often quoted from a televised quip by Carville as "It’s the economy, stupid." Carville was a strategist in Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential campaign against incumbent George H. W. Bush. ... Clinton's campaign advantageously used the then-prevailing recession in the United States as one of the campaign's means to successfully unseat George H. W. Bush.) Source wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid)
Here is the result of a recent poll clarifying the American voter's priorities.
Failing to ackowledge the reality, endorsing far-left extremist positions disconnected from these priorities will only alienate voters, opening the path for stupid politicians to gain (or return to) power.
Thanks.
At least now we can discuss what the underlying problems are rather than just debating and attacking each other.
Economy is often the top priority in a lot of countries**, but its really sad though, that if in America, some think its a 'far-left extremist position' when this kind of thing is happening right now.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/california-fires-a-wildfire-is-burning-out-of-control-near-yosemite/b2d283ea-b12b-4af3-a441-aaaf36a1ab16#5 (https://www.9news.com.au/world/california-fires-a-wildfire-is-burning-out-of-control-near-yosemite/b2d283ea-b12b-4af3-a441-aaaf36a1ab16#5)
** Its the old "its the economy, stupid' reference.
("The economy, stupid" is a phrase that was coined by James Carville in 1992. It is often quoted from a televised quip by Carville as "It’s the economy, stupid." Carville was a strategist in Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential campaign against incumbent George H. W. Bush. ... Clinton's campaign advantageously used the then-prevailing recession in the United States as one of the campaign's means to successfully unseat George H. W. Bush.) Source wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid)
Annie, my bad for not being clear enough. I am glad that adding that poll made my position more evident.
I hope that now it's also clear why I'm saying that putting climate change on top of the agenda is an extremist proposition.
Otherwise, yes, there are wildfires in the Yosemite. This is nothing new. The first record dates from 1930.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/firehistory.htm#:~:text=Since%201970%2C%20the%20National%20Park,in%20the%20park%20each%20year. (https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/firehistory.htm#:~:text=Since%201970%2C%20the%20National%20Park,in%20the%20park%20each%20year.)
So giving one more example doesn't mean much.
Nevertheless, there are many other more compeling arguments proving that climate change is real, the first one I can remember being Al Gore's 2006 documentary, "The Inconvenient Truth".
But the bottom line is that voters seem to care for their daily bread, and 13 other issues, more than for climate change.
Maybe this is sad for you, but it's real.
Therefore, putting issue #14 on top of the agenda is a proposition that will lead to election losses.
That is sad.
Sad will be to see Trump or people like him seizing power, because the alternative is made of idealists or far-left extremists, who are failing to ackowledge the reality, to understand what their voters want.
Sad indeed!
:-\
I actually do read stuff from world climate scientists.
Is that so?I want to hear YOUR plan for how climate can be changed. There is lots we can do to clean up earth, but it still won’t change the climate.
Except that it will. The release of greenhouse gases (mainly CO2, but also some other gases like methane) increase the temperature of a planet. Therefore, reductions in the release of greenhouse gases reduce this increase. There are also some gases that can reduce the temperature, like sulphur dioxide, although the side effects of that gas make it unfeasible to use it to control the climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
Have your world climate scientists never mentioned greenhouse gases?
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in most of Europe.
Fun scientific facts:
Hottest temperature recorded in Europe was 48.0 °C in Greece (Athens) on July 10, 1977.
US record: 10 July 1913 , 56.7 °C
So climate changes didn't even manage to break the records from times way before them.
It appears you don't understand the difference between "weather" (localized measurements and occurrences) and "climate" (overall patterns and trends).
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
Fun scientific fact:
The theory of global warming in its core assumes maximum warming at the poles.
At the same time the average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years.
https://phys.org/news/2021-05-arctic-faster-planet.html (https://phys.org/news/2021-05-arctic-faster-planet.html)
Fun scientific fact:
The theory of global warming in its core assumes maximum warming at the poles.
At the same time the average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years.
So it appears that you don't understand what I understand. ;D
Too bad this facts don't fit in the equation in this summers European record temperatures
;D
(https://i.ibb.co/C7kWpPQ/293725404-1159387201575064-3398773328874545320-n.jpg)
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
...A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “ ...
Very specifically, compared to the 64 years from 1887 to 1951, more than twice as many heat records are in the most recent period of the past 34 years between 1976 and 2010.
This speaks for itself - so thank you for your overview.
I am rock solidly convinced that the table would look even clearer if the very recent trends were included.
A few days ago, temperature records were broken in 6 of 17 German states. Even more extreme were the records in Great Britain...
Too bad this facts don't fit in the equation in this summers European record temperatures
;D
(https://i.ibb.co/C7kWpPQ/293725404-1159387201575064-3398773328874545320-n.jpg)
And what are the odds those 50 members are on the payroll of some kind of fossil fuel company?
...
For example take any of their highlighted countries and put them in here:
https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/country/poland/climate-data-historical
You get a nice easy to understand graphic of Observed Annual Mean Temperature which makes it painfully obvious the kind of cherry picking going on.....
You make it sound like the USA is right on track for environmental issues, Joe, but I doubt whether this is true. A lot of damage was done by your former administration in particular.Hey Annie, how are you?
You make it sound like the USA is right on track for environmental issues, Joe, but I doubt whether this is true. A lot of damage was done by your former administration in particular.Hey Annie, how are you?
The thing is that I don't put a lot of faith in political solutions for environmental issues.
It does not matter what country you want to talk about the truth is if environmental issues cause jobs you can bet politicians will drop the environmental issues like hot potatoes.
Look at the Paris accords. Not one nation is going to keep its promises and the goals of the accords.
They never have and they never will. It's all just a bunch of hot air.
https://theconversation.com/australia-is-undermining-the-paris-agreement-no-matter-what-morrison-says-we-need-new-laws-to-stop-this-170198 (https://theconversation.com/australia-is-undermining-the-paris-agreement-no-matter-what-morrison-says-we-need-new-laws-to-stop-this-170198)
I place my faith in technology. There are literally hundreds of projects to solve various environmental problems being worked on here plus more in western Europe and I'm sure in Australia and other places as well. Most of the innovations always come out of American labs, so that is where I put a lot of faith.
The trick is for corporations to save money or to make more money for them to jump on a new technology.
Corporations are not stupid and will not go with a non solution that costs money. Here in America the change over from coal to natural gas is going very well but not in a wasteful, stupid, job costing manner. Unproductive and old coal plants are getting replaced with new natural gas plants plus a lot of wind energy and more geothermal. Yup, we are doing and not talking like they do in Paris.
You paid for your solar installation in three years?
You must have had atrocious electric bills or your installation must have been nearly free.
My electric bill is around $120 a month, except for slightly higher bills in June, a LOT higher bills in July and slightly higher in August. Here in Texas average conversions cost around $25,000. Yes, a young person like you can make that pay over the years IF you stay in your home. There is absolutely no way I can make a conversion pay.
It also does not do a lot of good if China and Russia pollute with abandon and then the western nations are supposed to clean up the environment. Trump is right in that regard. Biden is plodding along, very deliberate and very cautious. It's one thing to talk like a President and something else to be one. Germany is a good example too. They are now starting up coal plants to make up for the lost natural gas from Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/germany-reactivate-coal-power-plants-russia-curbs-gas-flow (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/germany-reactivate-coal-power-plants-russia-curbs-gas-flow)
Jobs trump every issue.
Speaking of talking, Australia exports massive amounts of coal, so any talk about conservation at home is pretty much useless when coal and oil get sold to the polluters. It's just talk.
https://www.energy.gov.au/data/energy-trade (https://www.energy.gov.au/data/energy-trade)
I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with the specific numbers and assuming this data is given in good faith. Poster has a history of scatter gunning bulls**t into this forum and just moving on to the next thing as soon as the points are addressed. I would give them the curtsey of assuming they aren’t dumb enough to keep believing their sources when they are so frequently and easily disproved.
For example take any of their highlighted countries and put them in here:
https://climateknowledgeportal.worldbank.org/country/poland/climate-data-historical
You get a nice easy to understand graphic of Observed Annual Mean Temperature which makes it painfully obvious the kind of cherry picking going on.
It only takes them a moment to post the next piece of BS that takes many posts to refute and they are straight onto the next one. Makes it look like there is still uncertainty or debate about this amongst sane, rational people. Which there absolutely isn’t. The BBC article about the misinformation campaign I posted earlier spells out some of these strategies.
You make it sound like the USA is right on track for environmental issues, Joe, but I doubt whether this is true. A lot of damage was done by your former administration in particular.Hey Annie, how are you?
The thing is that I don't put a lot of faith in political solutions for environmental issues.
It does not matter what country you want to talk about the truth is if environmental issues cause jobs you can bet politicians will drop the environmental issues like hot potatoes.
Look at the Paris accords. Not one nation is going to keep its promises and the goals of the accords.
They never have and they never will. It's all just a bunch of hot air.
https://theconversation.com/australia-is-undermining-the-paris-agreement-no-matter-what-morrison-says-we-need-new-laws-to-stop-this-170198 (https://theconversation.com/australia-is-undermining-the-paris-agreement-no-matter-what-morrison-says-we-need-new-laws-to-stop-this-170198)
I place my faith in technology. There are literally hundreds of projects to solve various environmental problems being worked on here plus more in western Europe and I'm sure in Australia and other places as well. Most of the innovations always come out of American labs, so that is where I put a lot of faith.
The trick is for corporations to save money or to make more money for them to jump on a new technology.
Corporations are not stupid and will not go with a non solution that costs money. Here in America the change over from coal to natural gas is going very well but not in a wasteful, stupid, job costing manner. Unproductive and old coal plants are getting replaced with new natural gas plants plus a lot of wind energy and more geothermal. Yup, we are doing and not talking like they do in Paris.
You paid for your solar installation in three years?
You must have had atrocious electric bills or your installation must have been nearly free.
My electric bill is around $120 a month, except for slightly higher bills in June, a LOT higher bills in July and slightly higher in August. Here in Texas average conversions cost around $25,000. Yes, a young person like you can make that pay over the years IF you stay in your home. There is absolutely no way I can make a conversion pay.
It also does not do a lot of good if China and Russia pollute with abandon and then the western nations are supposed to clean up the environment. Trump is right in that regard. Biden is plodding along, very deliberate and very cautious. It's one thing to talk like a President and something else to be one. Germany is a good example too. They are now starting up coal plants to make up for the lost natural gas from Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/germany-reactivate-coal-power-plants-russia-curbs-gas-flow (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/08/germany-reactivate-coal-power-plants-russia-curbs-gas-flow)
Jobs trump every issue.
Speaking of talking, Australia exports massive amounts of coal, so any talk about conservation at home is pretty much useless when coal and oil get sold to the polluters. It's just talk.
https://www.energy.gov.au/data/energy-trade (https://www.energy.gov.au/data/energy-trade)
Yes, Joe, I mentioned Australia when I opened up the discussion on this thread about climate change, and what are governments around the world doing. Plus I have talked about it on another thread recently. I have been campaigning here in Australia for a few years against coal production. It has to end. And fortunately we recently changed our Federal Government. Scott Morrison is no longer our Prime Minister.
But I was addressing your comments about USA being on track. Fortunately, the Biden/Harris administration is making some headway but last month the conservative majority of your Supreme Court has dealt them a huge blow (mentioned in my previous reply to you).
USA is one of the worse offenders in the world. Australia because of coal production is up there too but China, despite their population, is now the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources. See attached worldwide emissions graph.
And, Joe - natural gas is a fossil fuel composed mainly of methane. It just seems to be a waste of time and money converting to natural gas, when it still presents a problem.
Refer: Why Natural Gas is Dangerous for the Climate.
https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/fossil-gas/why-natural-gas-is-dangerous-for-the-climate/ (https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/fossil-gas/why-natural-gas-is-dangerous-for-the-climate/)
From my perspective, there is another big issue with gas supply in the United States, Annie.
A significant amount of the gas is now being extracted by fracking, which uses chemicals that have already contaminated the groundwater there in places. In addition, gas is a bridging technology - to which, for the reasons you mentioned, it must not be seen as a forward-looking solution, but only as an intermediate step....
Here, in the city of Kiel, there was a coal-fired power plant until recently that supplied the city with heat to a large extent. This coal-fired power plant was replaced by a modern gas-fired power plant. Now we have the problem that too little comes from Russia and we have to look for other sources of gas supply.
From my perspective, there is another big issue with gas supply in the United States, Annie.
A significant amount of the gas is now being extracted by fracking, which uses chemicals that have already contaminated the groundwater there in places. In addition, gas is a bridging technology - to which, for the reasons you mentioned, it must not be seen as a forward-looking solution, but only as an intermediate step....
Here, in the city of Kiel, there was a coal-fired power plant until recently that supplied the city with heat to a large extent. This coal-fired power plant was replaced by a modern gas-fired power plant. Now we have the problem that too little comes from Russia and we have to look for other sources of gas supply.
Be careful Wilm. See my previous post about Russia's interest in the energy industry and their interference with the climate change "debate".
A lot of the noise around fracking originates from the same Russian troll farm trained to create controversy favoring Russia's interests. It's very clear that Russia didn't like the competition they had to face when fracking took off.
Don't fall for it.
Standard drilling is also polluting. Besides, those water contamination problems were mainly an issue during the early stages of fracking, when the technology was not completely mastered.
It's not really a problem with modern fracking wells more than it is with standard oil wells.
Even climate change activists should acknowledge that, while obviously not satisfactory long term, the extra boost of gas and oil from fracking is a step forward compared with coal-based energy production.
From my perspective, there is another big issue with gas supply in the United States, Annie.
A significant amount of the gas is now being extracted by fracking, which uses chemicals that have already contaminated the groundwater there in places. In addition, gas is a bridging technology - to which, for the reasons you mentioned, it must not be seen as a forward-looking solution, but only as an intermediate step....
Here, in the city of Kiel, there was a coal-fired power plant until recently that supplied the city with heat to a large extent. This coal-fired power plant was replaced by a modern gas-fired power plant. Now we have the problem that too little comes from Russia and we have to look for other sources of gas supply.
Be careful Wilm. See my previous post about Russia's interest in the energy industry and their interference with the climate change "debate".
A lot of the noise around fracking originates from the same Russian troll farm trained to create controversy favoring Russia's interests. It's very clear that Russia didn't like the competition they had to face when fracking took off.
Don't fall for it.
Standard drilling is also polluting. Besides, those water contamination problems were mainly an issue during the early stages of fracking, when the technology was not completely mastered.
It's not really a problem with modern fracking wells more than it is with standard oil wells.
Even climate change activists should acknowledge that, while obviously not satisfactory long term, the extra boost of gas and oil from fracking is a step forward compared with coal-based energy production.
Hmmm, the essential information in this case comes from our federal government and our Federal Environmental Agency. To what extent they are influenced by Russian trolls, I don't know.
From my perspective, there is another big issue with gas supply in the United States, Annie.
A significant amount of the gas is now being extracted by fracking, which uses chemicals that have already contaminated the groundwater there in places. In addition, gas is a bridging technology - to which, for the reasons you mentioned, it must not be seen as a forward-looking solution, but only as an intermediate step....
Here, in the city of Kiel, there was a coal-fired power plant until recently that supplied the city with heat to a large extent. This coal-fired power plant was replaced by a modern gas-fired power plant. Now we have the problem that too little comes from Russia and we have to look for other sources of gas supply.
Be careful Wilm. See my previous post about Russia's interest in the energy industry and their interference with the climate change "debate".
A lot of the noise around fracking originates from the same Russian troll farm trained to create controversy favoring Russia's interests. It's very clear that Russia didn't like the competition they had to face when fracking took off.
Don't fall for it.
Standard drilling is also polluting. Besides, those water contamination problems were mainly an issue during the early stages of fracking, when the technology was not completely mastered.
It's not really a problem with modern fracking wells more than it is with standard oil wells.
Even climate change activists should acknowledge that, while obviously not satisfactory long term, the extra boost of gas and oil from fracking is a step forward compared with coal-based energy production.
Hmmm, the essential information in this case comes from our federal government and our Federal Environmental Agency. To what extent they are influenced by Russian trolls, I don't know.
Context is important.
Many statements may be true when compared with "green" energy.
But as long as the government is OK with traditional oil and gas drilling (including massive imports from Russia), fracking must be compared with it. Apples with apples.
For example, I don't think there was any fracking incident that caused a disaster as big as the Deepwater Horizon spill, and yet Germany and some other countries are Ok with traditional oil drilling but are banning fracking. ???
Probably because we are so familiar with traditional oil drilling and we learned to accept its cons.
But if traditional oil drilling would have been discovered today, rest assured it would have been banned in some places as well, the same way fracking is banned.
Here is an analysis from 2015: https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2015/05/pros-and-cons-of-fracking-5-key-issues/
.org/2015/05/pros-and-cons-of-fracking-5-key-issues/
The population density in the USA is about 34 inhabitants per square kilometer. In Germany, we are at about 230 inhabitants per square kilometer.
I think that the different ways of dealing with the issue of fracking is also due to these figures.
In the USA, fracking takes place in many places where only a few people live and where the risk of direct danger to the population is therefore lower than it would be in any place in Germany.
I therefore assume that the German government has a different attitude towards fracking than the US government.
Our federal government writes in the wording that there is not enough knowledge about fracking and its impact on the environment and local residents to allow fracking for industrial purposes. It is allowed and done on a small scale in the research sector.
And, Joe - natural gas is a fossil fuel composed mainly of methane. It just seems to be a waste of time and money converting to natural gas, when it still presents a problem.Natural gas is a clean burning very low polluting energy source. It's so clean you can burn it in your home without having an exhaust.
Eventually economics will sink the coal industry, but not until a lot more damage. I would say that legislation has made a huge difference in the environment in instances like the clean air act and the clean water act. At a minimum the legislation should stop encouraging damaging technology and practices.
At one time the conservatives and economists agreed that a carbon tax was the way to encourage change. Then when it looked like it could actually pass, they balked (not the economists, the so called conservatives). It is a global problem and local solutions can't fully solve it, but the US (or any other country) could lead the way and show what is possible. There are benefits beyond just dropping CO2 emissions - like not being beholden to say, Russia or Saudi Arabia and not having thousands of extra deaths from air pollution.
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A significant amount of the gas is now being extracted by fracking, which uses chemicals that have already contaminated the groundwater there in places. In addition, gas is a bridging technology - to which, for the reasons you mentioned, it must not be seen as a forward-looking solution, but only as an intermediate step.......
fracking's rape of the environment:
The population density in the USA is about 34 inhabitants per square kilometer. In Germany, we are at about 230 inhabitants per square kilometer.
I think that the different ways of dealing with the issue of fracking is also due to these figures.
In the USA, fracking takes place in many places where only a few people live and where the risk of direct danger to the population is therefore lower than it would be in any place in Germany.
I therefore assume that the German government has a different attitude towards fracking than the US government.
The German government made another big political blunder when they decided to shutdown all their nuclear power plants, only to increase their dependency on Russian gas and oil.
That was as stupid as banning fracking.
Reopening coal power plants and validating Putin's war crimes is definitely the worst alternative: pollution is worsen and innocent people are dying.
The big blunder the German government did was do decide to shutdown nuclear power plants and ban fraking, while not pushing renewable energy resources in a way that they could compensate for nuclear power and fracking.
The big blunder the German government did was do decide to shutdown nuclear power plants and ban fraking, while not pushing renewable energy resources in a way that they could compensate for nuclear power and fracking.
Well, Germany did invest huge amounts of money in renewable energies, but it takes time to rebuild the whole energy generation of an industrial country.
I do not think that much more would have been realistic, particularly as we have reached a point were much more electric energy from Wind and Solar does not make a lot of sense without the possibility to store the energy and we did not make any real progress in this area during the last decades and I do not see any country really having more success there, except some countries with large resources of hydropower.
Not really. The Germany government spends around 37 BILLION € subsidizing the coal industry each year.
In 2021 they only spent around 13 billion for the development of renewable energies.
And there was plenty of time. Only that for the past 20 years the governmet wasted all the time. Compared to the support of other industries, they basically did close to nothing for renewable energy industries.
Also not really. We could store much more energy if the government had spend more money on building strorage facilities, instead of supporting the coal industry. The technology is there. We just don't spend enough money on it. And right now we don't produce enough renewable energy to have any kind of storage problem.
Also, we could produce a lot more energy through renewable recources that don't need to be stored, but could be used right away. Put a solar panel on every single building. A solar panel on a roof can cover around 40% of the electricity needed for a residential building. That's 40% less energy you need from other recources. But for that, a law that would require solar pannels on roofs of newly build buildings should have been passed 20 years ago. Didn't happen till today.
./ As long as we do not know what to do with our nuclear waste ...
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You can install all the solar panels on all the buildings you want (if you find the people to install them), you will still have next to no electricity at noon in winter and none at all after 3 or 4 PM.
And again, why did nobody else have more success storing electric energy from wind or solar? Seems like there is no easy solution after all, or somebody would have used it by now, even if the technology is there, in theory.
US solved that problem (thru inaction) - we just store the waste at 'specially designed pools' at individual power plants!
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You can install all the solar panels on all the buildings you want (if you find the people to install them), you will still have next to no electricity at noon in winter and none at all after 3 or 4 PM.
solar panels still work on cloudy days
batteries are available, but expensive - some areas have a way to feed the grid when excess power is generated
Do you know what "Nuclear semiotics" is? A field of research to come up with a long-term nuclear waste warning message, the attempt to warn humankind in the far future of the danger of location of nuclear waste without the assumption that they speak any language known to us.
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You can install all the solar panels on all the buildings you want (if you find the people to install them), you will still have next to no electricity at noon in winter and none at all after 3 or 4 PM.
And again, why did nobody else have more success storing electric energy from wind or solar? Seems like there is no easy solution after all, or somebody would have used it by now, even if the technology is there, in theory.
solar panels still work on cloudy days
batteries are available, but expensive - some areas have a way to feed the grid when excess power is generated
in US problem is less technological than corporate greed - much more spent on continued use of fossil fuels
US solved that problem (thru inaction) - we just store the waste at 'specially designed pools' at individual power plants!
That's not solving the problem, it's delaying the problem.
What happens in 500 years when the containers start to leak? When the walls of the power plant start to become bristle? What happens in 10.000 years (if the world still exists)? Do you know what "Nuclear semiotics" is? A field of research to come up with a long-term nuclear waste warning message, the attempt to warn humankind in the far future of the danger of location of nuclear waste without the assumption that they speak any language known to us.
Storing them in a facility is just postponing to solve the problem and the only solution to this problem would be finding a method to make nuclear waste not-contaminated and no one has solved that problem yet. In the menatime storing nuclear waste anywhere is just delaying the problem to future generations. Because the containers WILL leak eventually. But it's the whole climate change problem all over again and why I think we won't be able to stop it: "Why should I care what happens in 500 years? That's not my problem. I'll be dead by then. I want my cheap electricity now. Don't care that future generations will have to pay the price."
That's not solving the problem, it's delaying the problem.
What happens in 500 years when the containers start to leak? When the walls of the power plant start to become bristle? What happens in 10.000 years (if the world still exists)?
US solved that problem (thru inaction) - we just store the waste at 'specially designed pools' at individual power plants!
That's not solving the problem, it's delaying the problem.
What happens in 500 years when the containers start to leak? When the walls of the power plant start to become bristle? What happens in 10.000 years (if the world still exists)? Do you know what "Nuclear semiotics" is? A field of research to come up with a long-term nuclear waste warning message, the attempt to warn humankind in the far future of the danger of location of nuclear waste without the assumption that they speak any language known to us.
Storing them in a facility is just postponing to solve the problem and the only solution to this problem would be finding a method to make nuclear waste not-contaminated and no one has solved that problem yet. In the menatime storing nuclear waste anywhere is just delaying the problem to future generations. Because the containers WILL leak eventually. But it's the whole climate change problem all over again and why I think we won't be able to stop it: "Why should I care what happens in 500 years? That's not my problem. I'll be dead by then. I want my cheap electricity now. Don't care that future generations will have to pay the price."
sorry - sarcasm lost! - i agree w you completely
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
Is that the best you can do? Just make up some stuff?
It's neither funny, nor scientific, nor a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere)
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
Is that the best you can do? Just make up some stuff?
It's neither funny, nor scientific, nor a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere)
0.04% ... FACT...Now go and accuse real scientists they are inventing stuff you don't like!
The current molecular composition of Earth’s atmosphere is diatomic nitrogen (N2), 78.08 percent; diatomic oxygen (O2), 20.95 percent; argon (A), 0.93 percent; water (H20), about 0 to 4 percent; and carbon dioxide (CO2), 0.04 percent. Inert gases such as neon (Ne), helium (He), and krypton (Kr) and other constituents such as nitrogen oxides, compounds of sulfur, and compounds of ozone are found in lesser amounts.
SOURCES:
https://www.britannica.com/science/atmosphere (https://www.britannica.com/science/atmosphere)
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/07/30/co2-drives-global-warming/ (https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/07/30/co2-drives-global-warming/)
https://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/air/air-quality/resources/glossary/carbon-dioxide (https://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/air/air-quality/resources/glossary/carbon-dioxide)
https://ballotpedia.org/Carbon_dioxide (https://ballotpedia.org/Carbon_dioxide)
https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html (https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html)
So, its a FACT, its SCIENTIFIC, and its FUNNY and there's nothing you can do about it. ;D
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
That's not a "scientific fact", or at least it's just a twisted part of it without looking at the whole picture.
It's true that natural resources cause high amounts of carbon, but, unlike human caused carbon it does not add any net CO2 to the atmosphere. It's a cycle where carbon is added and taken again from the atmosphere.
Any biomass which decomposes must first have grown the CO2 released during rotting. It was first taken from the atmosphere by photosynthesis and then later added again.
It's all explained better than I could here:
https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/01/the-global-co2-rise-the-facts-exxon-and-the-favorite-denial-tricks/ (https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/01/the-global-co2-rise-the-facts-exxon-and-the-favorite-denial-tricks/)Fun scientific fact:
The theory of global warming in its core assumes maximum warming at the poles.
At the same time the average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years.
Can't comment on this, as I don't understand where these numbers are coming from. I found numbers of the average temperatures in the Arctic rising by 3.1°C over the past 50 year. (Source: Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Programme ). I did find one article with your numbers, but it didn't specify where exactly the number was suppose dto come from.
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
Is that the best you can do? Just make up some stuff?
It's neither funny, nor scientific, nor a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere)
0.04% ... FACT...Now go and accuse real scientists they are inventing stuff you don't like!
...
So, its a FACT, its SCIENTIFIC, and its FUNNY and there's nothing you can do about it. ;D
Funny Scientific Fact:
In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.
Is that the best you can do? Just make up some stuff?
It's neither funny, nor scientific, nor a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere)
0.04% ... FACT...Now go and accuse real scientists they are inventing stuff you don't like!
The current molecular composition of Earth’s atmosphere is diatomic nitrogen (N2), 78.08 percent; diatomic oxygen (O2), 20.95 percent; argon (A), 0.93 percent; water (H20), about 0 to 4 percent; and carbon dioxide (CO2), 0.04 percent. Inert gases such as neon (Ne), helium (He), and krypton (Kr) and other constituents such as nitrogen oxides, compounds of sulfur, and compounds of ozone are found in lesser amounts.
SOURCES:
https://www.britannica.com/science/atmosphere (https://www.britannica.com/science/atmosphere)
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/07/30/co2-drives-global-warming/ (https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/07/30/co2-drives-global-warming/)
https://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/air/air-quality/resources/glossary/carbon-dioxide (https://www.eea.europa.eu/themes/air/air-quality/resources/glossary/carbon-dioxide)
https://ballotpedia.org/Carbon_dioxide (https://ballotpedia.org/Carbon_dioxide)
https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html (https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html)
So, its a FACT, its SCIENTIFIC, and its FUNNY and there's nothing you can do about it. ;D
Thanks to the incompetent idiots in charge, we're on our way to a recession.
I anticipate that many companies with either start downgrading or cancelling their microstock accounts from sites like SS and AS.
My SS sales has dipped in the last few weeks. Less big sales and less daily downloads.
Just brace yourselves for what's to come and stop supporting people who are economically illiterate.
More a Covid/Putin/China recession... Covid for stopping worldwide production.. Putin for raising transport costs worldwide with higher energy cost (due to war).. and China for slowing down its economy with their "Strict 0 Covid" policy..
Someone tell me, CO2 is 0.0414% of the atmosphere and that's causing the climate to change? I never knew it was such a small number as 4/100th of 1 percent.
The German government made another big political blunder when they decided to shutdown all their nuclear power plants, only to increase their dependency on Russian gas and oil.
That was as stupid as banning fracking.
Reopening coal power plants and validating Putin's war crimes is definitely the worst alternative: pollution is worsen and innocent people are dying.
I disagree. The political blunder the (past) German government did was not to decide to shutdown nuclear power plants and ban fraking - These were the right decisions. As long as we do not know what to do with our nuclear waste and as long as fracking poses a health and environmental risk due to toxic chemicals and water pollution these are no acceptable alternatives.
The big blunder the German government did was do decide to shutdown nuclear power plants and ban fraking, while not pushing renewable energy resources in a way that they could compensate for nuclear power and fracking.
Someone tell me, CO2 is 0.0414% of the atmosphere and that's causing the climate to change? I never knew it was such a small number as 4/100th of 1 percent.
What is causing the climate change is the manmade increase in the CO2 concentration. The base line concentration of about 0.028% is also causing a greenhouse effect and together with some other gases is responsible for the Earth being a class M planet. Without any greenhouse effect, Earth would be an ice planet.
... My view of that is, people are the biggest use of water and wasting it. Unless anyone considers agriculture and growing food a waste of water? I mean, starve or flush you toilet, which would you choose? ;)agriculture includes wasting water on crops in the wrong places - eg growing almonds in a desert & cotton "Production and processing of cotton uses a large amount of water. Some experts contend that cotton is the largest user of water among all agricultural commodities. Surface and ground waters are often diverted to irrigate cotton fields, leading to freshwater loss through evaporation, and inefficient water management."
...false equivalence - first, there are 320 MILLION people, and B, fracking is a choice, not a necessity
That means residential toilets actually use almost 2,500 times as much water as fracking does..." California
...unfortunately we continue to let fossil fuel companies make obscene profits they use to buy congress, while not having to deal w the environmental consequences of their extraction
Personally I'd rather deal with nuclear and the waste, and stop burning coal and making more pollution. I'd like to see more development of clean energy. Then as we make progress, stop using the temporary measures, which are better than the high pollution systems of old?
... My view of that is, people are the biggest use of water and wasting it. Unless anyone considers agriculture and growing food a waste of water? I mean, starve or flush you toilet, which would you choose? ;)agriculture includes wasting water on crops in the wrong places - eg growing almonds in a desert & cotton "Production and processing of cotton uses a large amount of water. Some experts contend that cotton is the largest user of water among all agricultural commodities. Surface and ground waters are often diverted to irrigate cotton fields, leading to freshwater loss through evaporation, and inefficient water management."
not to mention lawns in deserts and along highway mediansQuote...false equivalence - first, there are 320 MILLION people, and B, fracking is a choice, not a necessity
That means residential toilets actually use almost 2,500 times as much water as fracking does..." CaliforniaQuote...unfortunately we continue to let fossil fuel companies make obscene profits they use to buy congress, while not having to deal w the environmental consequences of their extraction
Personally I'd rather deal with nuclear and the waste, and stop burning coal and making more pollution. I'd like to see more development of clean energy. Then as we make progress, stop using the temporary measures, which are better than the high pollution systems of old?
false equivalence - first, there are 320 MILLION people, and B, fracking is a choice, not a necessity
...the claim is that Fracking causes droughts and a water shortage...
You guys just don't get it. When my parents were born there were 2.3 billion people on this planet. When I was born there were 3.8 billion people. Now there are 7.9 billion people on the planet. And we wish everyone a good life. So what does this do to our consumption and climate then?
You can do all the little things you do and want but maybe it's time to shout at Africa and the Middle-East to stop f**ing like bunny's. Because they are exploding with putting more people on this planet day by day, with their needs and thus their CO2 footprint if you will.
The will need food, water, electricity and leisure as cars, holidays etc.... You do the sum.
Growing number of people is the problem not the people perse.
So everybody poor and starving. That is your solution?
But if everyone would live like most Africans and not like you, then we would not have endless problems.
these people exploited by all of us do not have the right to multiply
Population looks to be levelling off around 10 billion. There's enough for everyone if we curb our greed.Wishful thinking. I have seen the numbers and they always come in way to low. Decade after decade. And there is not enough. It isn't even now as it was 30 years ago.
Population looks to be levelling off around 10 billion. There's enough for everyone if we curb our greed.
In 1862 English metallurgist Alexander Parkes developed the first man-made plastic from cellulose. After 45 years in 1907, the first fossil-fuel plastic is produced using formaldehyde and coal byproducts. Over the years, the plastic discovery was heralded as an innovation, plastic packaging was given a red carpet welcome and became ubiquitous in our lifestyle.
After 90 years, one more discovery proved that all is not well with this innovation, when in 1997 Charles Moore discovered the Great Pacific Garbage Patch – a huge concentration of plastic waste floating in the pacific ocean.
Since then the menace of plastic waste has only grown in size. Mainly because of limited alternatives to plastic packaging, we continue to produce millions of tonnes of plastic to store, transport and protect our products. In that, only a minuscule proportion is collected or recycled, and the rest find their way into the ocean.
The existence of plastic waste is now found in almost all parts of our planet and even in our bodies.
Along with plastic pollution, plastic is produced using petrol and fossil fuel, thereby significantly contributing to climate change. As per a report by 2030, emissions from the plastics industry in the U.S. could overtake emissions from coal power plants.
One recent addition to the list of its environmentally significant use cases is seaweed plastic alternatives. A slew of biotech companies have entered this space and are developing sustainable and biodegradable plastic packaging using seaweed.
So everybody poor and starving. That is your solution?
But if everyone would live like most Africans and not like you, then we would not have endless problems.Quotethese people exploited by all of us do not have the right to multiply
I did not say that, that is your political correct storted thinking. But it is a fact that while Western Nations are not growing and even shrinking they are growing enormously. So you cry about what we are doing and not even considering to say,"hey guys maybe it's not so wise to multilpy this much". There is no activism whatsoever to stop this huge problem but it is really a problem for the world community as a whole. You have to speak up to everyone in this world and not the mere 1 billion people in the West to overcome things, it will not be enough. You can live by your guilt, as a German, and you should actually, messing up two times in recent history, but it will not help to stay in this politcally correct posture. Even Africans and Middle East people are just normal people, like you and I. There is no wrong doing in telling them to back off a bit with this people breeding. You however, still think they are pittyful and that is actually very, and very, racist, because you don't respect them at all or give them absolutely any worth, because after all you think they are all poor fools, who are nothing and can do nothing, right?
And then you get mad at me? While you are whining that stock companies don't pay you right.
Fracking consumes a massive amount of water. In the United States, the average can run between 1.5 million and 9.7 million gallons of water to frack a single well, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS)...the claim is that Fracking causes droughts and a water shortage...
Never, ever heard this argument. Are you sure that isn't just a strawman put up by pro fracking people?
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Now you come and write that these people from Africa and the Middle East want to live like us in the future. That is their right. Meanwhile, we will celebrate a family party in space for our pleasure, wasting vast amounts of resources.
.... You can live by your guilt, as a German, and you should actually, messing up two times in recent history, but it will not help to stay in this politcally correct posture. ...
However, there is a much better solution from something we don't even have to cultivate - seaweed. We just have to think smarter.QuoteOne recent addition to the list of its environmentally significant use cases is seaweed plastic alternatives. A slew of biotech companies have entered this space and are developing sustainable and biodegradable plastic packaging using seaweed.
However, there is a much better solution from something we don't even have to cultivate - seaweed. We just have to think smarter.QuoteOne recent addition to the list of its environmentally significant use cases is seaweed plastic alternatives. A slew of biotech companies have entered this space and are developing sustainable and biodegradable plastic packaging using seaweed.
seaweed is also edible!
I recently visited the Floriade outside Amsterdam the 'natural house' displayed building technologies using fungi, bacteria and other surprising natural sources https://mogu.bio/mogu-floriade-expo-2022/ (https://mogu.bio/mogu-floriade-expo-2022/)
My view of that is, people are the biggest use of water and wasting it. Unless anyone considers agriculture and growing food a waste of water? I mean, starve or flush you toilet, which would you choose? ;)
Thanks. I thought it was about the chemicals pumped into the water table and other environmental concerns. Chemicals the companies often refuse to even reveal because it's "commercially sensitive".Fracking consumes a massive amount of water. In the United States, the average can run between 1.5 million and 9.7 million gallons of water to frack a single well, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS)...the claim is that Fracking causes droughts and a water shortage...
Never, ever heard this argument. Are you sure that isn't just a strawman put up by pro fracking people?
Fracking has been blamed for leaking millions of tons of methane, a greenhouse gas more potent than carbon dioxide.
Fracking is also associated with other airborne hydrocarbons that can cause health and respiratory issues.https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/011915/what-are-effects-fracking-environment.asp (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/011915/what-are-effects-fracking-environment.asp)
My view of that is, people are the biggest use of water and wasting it. Unless anyone considers agriculture and growing food a waste of water? I mean, starve or flush you toilet, which would you choose? ;)
Well, yes, to an extent: but like here, it seems that most water in the US is wasted in leakage before it ever reaches the taps:
https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/up-to-50-of-water-lost-to-leaks-in-us-heres-how-we-stop-it-331459 (https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/up-to-50-of-water-lost-to-leaks-in-us-heres-how-we-stop-it-331459)
My view of that is, people are the biggest use of water and wasting it. Unless anyone considers agriculture and growing food a waste of water? I mean, starve or flush you toilet, which would you choose? ;)
Well, yes, to an extent: but like here, it seems that most water in the US is wasted in leakage before it ever reaches the taps:
https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/up-to-50-of-water-lost-to-leaks-in-us-heres-how-we-stop-it-331459 (https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/up-to-50-of-water-lost-to-leaks-in-us-heres-how-we-stop-it-331459)
Same in the UK. Water companies are responsible for loads of wastage through leaks but try to blame consumers. Also there have been warnings for decades that a lot more infrastructure is needed (reservoirs for example) but water companies, who are basically monopolies, refuse to make the investments and instead continue paying out dividends and maximising profits. I mean of course they do, where’s the incentive/ reason to do anything else. The government (read public) will have to bail them out eventually when things become unlivable.
EDIT: sorry just saw the "like here" you obviously know the situation in the UK too
There's a timely cartoon in the Eye which has just dropped in. Bloke is standing in his front garden where there's a 'spout'. Bloke from Southern Water is handing him a fine. Bloke says "I'm not using a sprinkler. It's one of your leaks".
Since 2012, there have been studies that conclude that it is not just the issue of water that is a problem with fracking, but the release of methane. There are studies that conclude that fracking gas could have a worse climate footprint than coal, for example.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/fracking-boom-tied-to-methane-spike-in-earths-atmosphere (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/fracking-boom-tied-to-methane-spike-in-earths-atmosphere)
Whether this is true or influenced by some vested interests, I don't know either, of course.
.... You can live by your guilt, as a German, and you should actually, messing up two times in recent history, but it will not help to stay in this politcally correct posture. ...
this lightly veiled insult is disgusting! bringing up 80 yr old history only makes your position worse
This thought system might originate so or similarly still from the times of the slavery where the "supermen" were of the opinion to be allowed to tell the "submen" what they are allowed to do or should do in their life.
You should think once about it whether it would not be better if there would not be you instead of 10 new people in the countries of which you write.
At least some parts of the US aren’t entirely dominated by FOX :(
...At least some parts of the US aren’t entirely dominated by FOX :(
actually the % of viewers is low for all cable news -Fox, the leader, has only about 3-4 million viewers
At least some parts of the US aren’t entirely dominated by FOX :(
actually the % of viewers is low for all cable news -Fox, the leader, has only about 3-4 million viewers