Author Topic: Dataset earnings - opt out (Read 9709 times)

Zero Talent · « **on:** April 12, 2023, 08:26 »

I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

sara_t · « **Reply #1 on:** April 12, 2023, 09:14 »

I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #2 on:** April 12, 2023, 09:30 »

Quote from: sara_t on April 12, 2023, 09:14

I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?

$10 for me, because I have a small portfolio (~350 videos). But even $50 is peanuts, when you realize that for only $50 you are helping your AI competition to be trained by your assets.
You will be losing much more that $50, when customers will begin choosing AI generated stuff trained by you, instead of your real assets.

You are shooting yourself in the foot, and also hurting the rest of us $:-\$

palagarde · « **Reply #3 on:** April 12, 2023, 12:44 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 12, 2023, 08:26

I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page

Thank you, i did it. around 30$ for me with 1500 videos.
And off course they tell us that it is possible to opt-out after they make the deal...

cloudvisual · « **Reply #4 on:** April 12, 2023, 12:51 »

Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks

mindoozas · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2023, 13:22 »

I am happy

Annie2022 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2023, 13:30 »

I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.

This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?

fotoroad · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2023, 14:05 »

Quote from: Annie on April 12, 2023, 13:30

I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.

This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?

Yes, right on P5 from your dashboard Financial

mindoozas · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2023, 14:06 »

Just click on the name line and you'll get the answer.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2023, 14:11 »

Quote from: mindoozas on April 12, 2023, 13:22

I am happy

I bet you wouldn't be that happy if they would show each sale with your entire port sold for 2-3 cents/video, and that only to help your AI competitors.

But seeing all sales in a bundle is mesmerizing.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2023, 14:19 »

Thanks guys. Found it.

I opted out.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2023, 14:38 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 12, 2023, 08:26

I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Thankyou, and done.

I also only recently learned of opting out of 'Data Deals' on Shutterstock under Licensing Options in Account Settings.

cobalt · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2023, 15:19 »

39 Dollars for me.

I will stay opted in for the time being to see how this develops.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2023, 16:20 »

I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.

I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.

I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.

Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.

Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2023, 19:22 »

There is Shutterstock Datasets and AI-generated Content: Contributor FAQ. Last update i think it was last month or so.
Here is the link: https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQ?language=en_US

I made a lot of hundreds (data sets and partners).
Truly I don't mind at all that my images are being used (metadata/data) for computer vision or generative Ai with some compensation. Why not? it fully paid my house rent for 2 months.

I might be wrong in a long run but i find feeding AI an interesting revenue feature at this point.

Ambu · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2023, 02:46 »

I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold? I guess they keep all those partner earnings with them.

vectorsforall · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2023, 04:33 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on April 12, 2023, 08:26

I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Thanks!! Opted out

Noedelhap · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2023, 06:37 »

I'm not necessarily against AI training using datasets in general. I mean, you can't stop innovation and AI is now so widespread there's no delaying or slowing its progress. You can opt out, but the change to the creative industry (not just microstock) is imminent and unavoidable. As long as we get compensation for the use of our work (and that compensation is relatively transparent), then we should embrace it instead of fighting it.

Of course, it's easy for me to say, I'm doing microstock only part-time. But I never wanted to do this full-time because I think the microstock future is bleak anyway and its heydays are over. Take what you can while you still can.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2023, 07:38 »

Me and my $22 are out. Jerks.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2023, 10:51 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on April 12, 2023, 16:20

I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.

I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.

I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.

Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.

Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.

Right, and I say they get no points for doing the same as SS did and announcing we were used, followed by an option to opt out in the future. Why didn't they offer this in advance. I suspect because, they hadn't intended to tell us at all or pay us at all, until the legal question of use came up. This way, after the fact, they can say "We compensated the artists"

Quote from: Ambu on April 13, 2023, 02:46

I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold?

Anyone who has a Wirestock account should be equally curious.

Quote from: Annie on April 12, 2023, 13:30

This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?

Because it wasn't announced or there until it just showed up on the 12th. No one was told in advance.

You already found the parts you needed in My-Preferences. Here's the link for More Info = What Is This: https://contributor.pond5.com/getting-started/payout-overview/?a=11 Just in case.

Stockus · « **Reply #20 on:** April 14, 2023, 11:12 »

Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2023, 18:59 »

Quote from: Stockus on April 14, 2023, 11:12

Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.

Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2023, 01:18 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on April 14, 2023, 18:59

Quote from: Stockus on April 14, 2023, 11:12
Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.

Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.

From what I understood Shutterstock only pays out for data set learning once a year, that's why no one had any payments under the contributor fund colum there since December.
I still opted out, because I don't want my images to be used legally for something that will destroy my means of living. They were and will be used for that purpose illegally anyways, which put me in a moral dilemma about whether I should allow it and at least earn a bit from it while there is still some money to be made, but in the end it just did not agree with my conscience.
Just saying that it doesn't mean there won't be further payments.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2023, 01:44 »

stoker2014 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2023, 03:38 »

I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.

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Author Topic: Dataset earnings - opt out (Read 9709 times)

Zero Talent

sara_t

Zero Talent

palagarde

cloudvisual

mindoozas

Annie2022

fotoroad

mindoozas

Zero Talent

Annie2022

Pacesetter

cobalt

Jo Ann Snover

Evaristo tenscadisto

Ambu

vectorsforall

Noedelhap

Sean Locke Photography

Uncle Pete

Stockus

Pacesetter

Her Ugliness

Her Ugliness

stoker2014

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