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General Stock Discussion / Re: Image of the Year -2013 is Sean
« on: January 22, 2013, 15:23 »
WORD OF THE YEAR: Greasemonkey
BEST FICTION OF THE YEAR: Changes in the Way We Communicate - a fantasy short story by Rebecca Rockafellar

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sales Are Down Every Where
« on: January 22, 2013, 14:12 »
January has been a very bad month for me everywhere so far: microstock, video, POD.
Especially POD is a big disappointment this month. I was thinking of buying 5DMk3 but I think I will postpone it.

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We're making good progress on our soon-to-be-available software for selling direct on your own website. We'll be pricing it affordably and including the features that you need so sell your own work on your own site.

Elvinstar, any chance you would be interested in developing a stock module for Drupal?
I am a big fan of Drupal and use it for all my sites. I would be very interested to have a module for selling stock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: No wonder that I hardly sell a thing...
« on: January 20, 2013, 01:00 »
iStock you say...
I remember them.
Are these guys still in the business of selling images?
I've heard they do clown shows these days.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
« on: January 19, 2013, 20:17 »
I may not activate my images, but I'm considering removing my Illustrator Exclusive status.
This gives me the freedom to sell anywhere.

... Until your files are available everywhere for free.

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I expect that quite many artists will not want to cooperate with scammers.
Some people will deactivate their portfolios on Getty-owned sites.

How about setting up a website showcasing the work of artists and designers not cooperating with Getty? Getty-free network?

Here is what I have in mind:

1. The landing page would describe the current scam as the background for this initiative. The main argument why the buyers / designers should not buy from Getty is that their client may find the nice image for which they charged  him $150 in some stupid free collection. For some people this may be deadly.

2. Three kinds of members:

- Contributors not submitting to Getty sites

- Buyers / design agencies not buying from Getty sites

- Stock agencies not entering any distribution deals with Getty sites. Stock agencies would pay small fees to be listed which would cover the setup, domain and hosting costs for the maintainer.

3. Each members entry there would take the full width of the screen and be lets say 150-200 pixels high. The contributor would shortly present their niche (lifestyle, travel, illustrations, etc.), thumbnails of 3-5 popular images with links to where they can be bought.  Also one featured image which on mouseover would display a higher resolution with a watermark saying: This image is not available at Getty, iStock, Thinkstock etc. Buy from fair agencies instead. There would be a link to the members website or their portfolio on recommended sites. The member would also list top 5 or top 10 keywords relevant to their portfolio.

4. The space alloted for designers' and agencies' entries would be similar to contributors.

5. The list should be filterable (by specialty, location, keywords, etc.) and searchable. The keywords should be clickable leading to a page displaying all members specializing in that keyword.

It might not impress Getty, but that would be one good place with a link to your business and with contact information.
Google might kill its page rank but they cannot ever kill the links leading to it. Until they notice it, their algorithm might actually place it higher in the search results for Getty than Getty Images  itself.
To some extent it could also connect buyers directly with sellers creating a real Getty-clean network. The website should earn for itself with fees from the agencies advertizing there who want to be perceived as fair.

What do you think about it? Anyone with skills and time wanting to set it up?

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Is the current situation as follows: The photographers will not get any royalty from the Google deal, images are licensed for free?
You get 12 bucks one time and then you're not quite the owner of your image. You kind of donated it to Getty.

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I do not think that they are trying to kill iStock. It is my considered opinion that they are only too stupid to run it.

Somebody wrote here that the annual turnover of Getty Images is or rather once was about $ 950 mln, including ca. 500 mln from iStock. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If these figures are correct and the macro business is really declining they cannot afford to destroy or weaken iStock. At least it would seem so.

An average dog has enough intelligence not to bite the hand that feeds.

I firmly believe that if they had replaced Getty's top management with a dog around 2009, they would be in a much better shape now and their turnover would be significantly higher than it is now. A dog could never have taken so many stupid decisions. As a matter of fact, a dog might not have taken too many decisions at all. I am convinced that if they had appointed a dachshund as CEO in 2009, iStock would still be the No. 1 microstock agency.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Time for an iStock replacement site?
« on: January 14, 2013, 18:22 »
I'll just add that my idea is basically migrating iStock files, buyers and contributors to a new, better location. At least to an extent that is possible.

If your house has burned down, do you linger in the charred remains or do you build yourself a new home?

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"Changes in the way we communicate" = we are *%!#-scared, we don't know what's going on, the way things are going, we will soon sink

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
« on: January 14, 2013, 16:47 »
The problem I have is that I mentally can't come up with a realistic response they could give that would make me feel optimistic things would change.
You are right. There is no statement that they could make that would impress me.
They would need to compensate the affected artists with thousands $ for each file, which will never happen.

Deactivating should not be about wanting to achieve something but about protecting our portfolios from becoming worthless.

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iStockPhoto.com / Time for an iStock replacement site?
« on: January 14, 2013, 16:18 »
OK, lets face the facts: the game is pretty much over for ALL contributors at iStock. Even before the Getty scam, iStock sales had been nosediving.
If people continue to deactivate images (which seems a reasonable thing to do), buyers wont be able to buy images that they have in their lightboxes, even more buyers will leave, there will be a stink, sales will continue to plunge and the trend will probably accelerate. iStock, once Gettys jewel may crumble like a house of cards in mid-term or at least their position will be much worse than it is today.

I have never been exclusive and never intented to become one, but I must say that in 2008/09 I really liked iStock. When i started they had the most professional reviewers who sometimes took their time to write a note about what should be improved in an image, they were truly a community. Also the balance of power between Shutterstock and Istock was very healthy for the market and the contributors.

iStocks identity and part of its success was that it WAS NOT Getty, that it was cool.
Obviously this has not been the case anymore for some time.
But even the iStock as we know it from 2008-11 is gone. It is no more, its ceased to be, it's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!

The main issues are:
-   Plunging sales
-   Significant risk that our portfolios suddenly become worthless due to a new scam
-   Getty has a serious problem with contributors making any money whatsover.
If you make 1 cent per year, they will hire a lawyer who is able to round it down to 0.

Normally a person proposing a new agency or a co-operative gets stoned here but I believe the latest scam is a game-changer.
I am not even going to propose any co-op, I am just going to write what I think is possible.

I believe an iStock replacement site founded by about 10 respected exclusives from the Top 50 would have significant chances for success. I dont mean  a co-op or anything similar. I mean a commercial enterprise. The founders would invest their time and money so they should reap the rewards in the future. I suppose the top exclusives would have enough financial resources to survive at least some time without iStock earnings.

I believe around 10 respected exclusives would be able to achieve a snowball effect. Build a good site, offer 60-70 % for exclusives, 30-35% for non-exclusives and hundreds of contributors will follow.
Use your networks, build a community of buyers and sellers around the site, as it was on iStock before. Try to convince Rob Sylvan to moderate the forums, call rogermexico. iStock is dead, but the iStock community is not dead yet, its just bleeding itself to death. Time to move on and start again. You have enough talent and great content to succeed.

Why should exclusives should create an iStock replacement site? Im afraid you dont have a choice, at least if you  still want to make money in this business. Face the music. If you do nothing, soon you will be earning a very small fraction of what you earned before.

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I am afraid Feb 2nd is quite late. [...]

Personally, I think a coordinated effort sends more of a message.  You are of course free to do what pleases you.  :)

IMHO a sudden attack sends a more powerful message. Surprise and fear are very powerful weapons. 2 weeks gives them plenty time to come up with some mischievous plan. They should have no time, they should act under pressure. They always drop bombs on us without any warning.

Giving 2 weeks time, is something that is done in diplomacy to achieve a goal. But these people are no diplomats, they are ruthless crooks that take advantage of any weakness that the other party shows. To be successful with this kind of people one must play really hard and show no weaknesses.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Image Deactivation Tally for iStockPhoto
« on: January 14, 2013, 09:25 »
For me the reason is simple: there might be more scams already in the pipeline.
Feb 2nd gives them too much time. They should have reacted on Friday. Well, they reacted, but that was the wrong kind of reaction.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Image Deactivation Tally for iStockPhoto
« on: January 14, 2013, 09:17 »
But if several high-selling contributors also did it, that would be a serious wake-up call.

Forget about several high-selling contributors. This time it is completely different than their shenanigans in the past. It is a question whether one wants to wake up one fine day and find out that their complete portfolio is suddenly completely worthless, just a collection of worthless pixels.
Well, I don't. And I don't care whether high selling contributors deactivate or not.

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I am afraid Feb 2nd is quite late. They might have other, possibly even bigger scams in the pipeline, and might speed them up. I am continuing to deactivate.

There is no statement they could make that would impress me. They would have to compensate the scammed artists with $ 5.000-20.000 per image, which will not happen.

This is nothing else but a scam, contributors are made to believe something but in the end they lose their property which is grabbed by the other party.

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I just deactivated some 15 more. Reducing portfolio size reduces the risk of having images in the next scam.

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As a sort of middle ground aggressive retaliation we could all remove 10 images a day til our portfolio's were depleted.  That might send iStock (and other agencies) a message. 

Yesterday I deactivated around 20 images. I will continue to do so because the risk is too high.
I don't want to wake up one day and find out that my complete portfolio is suddenly worthless.
I don't think they can be trusted anymore.

The earnings at iStock are shrinking fast anyway. The potential of future earnings doesn't outweigh the risk of losing everything.

Recently I was invited to contribute to the Getty-Flickr collection, they were interested to have more than 10% of the images in my photostream. I didn't sign the Getty contract yet, but now I know that they are fishing for idiots.

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Snufkin, with an approval rating around 10%, plus Congress cannot get anything done as it is, I would have more faith in asking Getty directly. IMO.

Cmannphoto, I didn't mean the whole Congress, I thought maybe there is a congressman or a few particularly interested in IP laws. I suppose such a congressman would have at least the resources to check if this deal was legal at all.
The contributors would not have to pay for the legal expenses. Also the contributors would not have to sue Getty directly, so Getty could not retaliate.

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Instead of the media, I was thinking about something else.
I am not from the US, but a very significant number of contributors are and Getty is a major US corporation. The number of US contributors doing stock full-time or part-time must be quite a few thousands. AFAIK the current situation on the job market in the US is not rosy. Stock royalties must be an important source of supplemental income for thousands of American families in tough times. For some it is the sole income. This source of income can be very seriously endangered in mid-term.
Also, many other agencies are based in the US and this and similar deals create unfair competition.
The losses to the American economy may be significant.

How about asking a congressman to look into this?
I presume this would create a really big stink and there would be no legal costs for the contributors, right?

I think it would be good to investigate if there was some additional payment from Google for this deal, apart from the image royalties. Should this be the case, should it be shared among the affected contributors or not?

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We have 2 choices now:

1. Legal measures
2. Deactivating images and portfolios

Going to the media and whining is useless, it is just providing free entertainment to Getty.
Also the general public wants free stuff, they may even see Getty as "the good guys".


Those two options should both be pursued together, not either one or the other. 
I disagree that alerting the media is a waste of time.  Look what just happened with Instagram.  People didn't think giving their stuff away for free was so great at all.  And this coming so quickly on the heels of that disaster will seem like more of the same sort of abuse. 

Yes, I mean one option doesn't exclude the other.
Instagram case is different. It is a different business model, the number of their users is huge. I don't use Instagram and don't know how exactly they make money, but probably the size of their user base is their main asset and they cannot afford to lose too many. Getty doesn't care about individual contributors and there is a an oversupply of images. Compared to the Instagram case, the Getty scam affects a very small, specialized group of people. And Getty provides free stuff to the general public. Using media is wasting time and only informs the people that free stuff is available.

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I think people are being very naive here. iStock are happy with their side of this deal, they have said so in the forums......
How old are you? 10? 15?
No company would ever say that they are not happy with a deal that they just made, especially in a public forum.  ;D ;D ;D That's ridiculous, they would admit that they are a bunch of complete losers (which they probably are).
And WOW, you believe what iStock say in the forums  ;D ;D ;D

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I am giving them a couple of weeks to sort things out. The news is just spreading, I hope we'll see more statements next week. I can't see them doing absolutely nothing about it - I think they screwed up big time and are having intense meetings right now. But if worse comes to worst, and nothing is done, my choice would be to dump that agent. I don't deal with scum.

I don't trust their statements at all. Their statements have no value to me. Even if they cancel the deal with Google (which probably can't happen), who knows if there are no other scams running or in the pipeline? 
They create some loopholes in the contract in order to pull off a scam some time later.

We have 2 choices now:

1. Legal measures
2. Deactivating images and portfolios

Going to the media and whining is useless, it is just providing free entertainment to Getty.
Also the general public wants free stuff, they may even see Getty as "the good guys".

I started deactivating images yesterday.

I suppose Getty might have financial problems and they needed cash really fast. Google is one of the few companies who could pay such a sum at once with no problems. Judging by the facts that we have, the deal is really stupid, it also hurts Getty. They might have been forced to do it.

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OK, Shutterstock is the volume leader, but they play only in the lower end of the market.
There is much more money to be made in stock photography. If they want stay a leader in the long term, they must play in all segments of the market as Getty does. There are buyers with projects that require photos with a higher production value and they are ready to pay for this.
I don't understand why they don't start a macro agency or buy an existing one.
Shutterstock has a very large customer base and among these buyers certainly there are some who also have projects requiring photos that are not available all over the internet.

Shutterstock could have a separate macro site with a different brand name. The search results from the macro site could be displayed on the main Shutterstock site e.g in a sidebar. The subscriber should have the option to deactivate the macro sidebar, so there is no confusion like on iStock and no need for filters.

There are many disappointed Getty contributors, so now would be a good time to step in. I don't understand why they are so complacent or play with some strange sites like the tutorials site, when they probably have the resources to challenge Getty in all segments.

Also, they need a fine-art site to compete with (Getty-owned?) art.com and allposters.com.
There is much more money in photography than selling low-cost tomatoes and handshakes.

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Newbie Discussion / Re: I am back from the hole.
« on: January 12, 2013, 16:32 »
Welcome back CD123 :)

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