Our biggest enemy is free stock images and videos. Those sites are becoming more and more popular. Those sites are owned by companies like dreamstime, wirestock etc. Wether you are aware of it, agreed to it or not some companies like ones mentioned give your work for free in exchange for a small rate. Smaller than what shutterstock charges but without the overhead of reviewing photos, categorizing or keywording since thy come straight out of our ports.

If nothing was given away we would have a business.

I remember times when instead of "free stock", some people used to say microstock in the same context. 

Quote from: Lizard on November 21, 2020, 19:23

I basically need a simple tool with option to create something like my own keywords tree and add keywords by checking them.

Pretty much same process like in Adobe Bridge. The problem with bridge is that it is dividing keywords by semicolon instead of comma and adding an unnecessary step in my workflow.

So one more time, nothing fancy, nothing best, I don't need keyword suggestions etc. Just an option to create my small keyword library and add keywords by checking them.

Does anyone know some tool like that, preferably free?

Thanks

I hate to ask, because I don't use bridge. Are there sites that don't read the keywords right? I think I have some files using commas and some copy and pasted words use semicolons, I haven't had any problems importing or editing when I upload.

Why is semicolon a problem?

There are sites like FAA that use Character Limit instead of keywords numbers. Most keywording tools leave a space between keywords. On 50 keywords you lose 50 spaces. That's like 7-8 potential keywords. The tool I use to remove spaces doesn't recognize semicolons.

For my workflow i find Bridge style keywording with custom created keyword library is a perfect option so im looking something that works like that. I remember I used such tool years ago but i forgot what was it. I know it wasn't online tool and you had to install it.

I know there are tools and scripts to convert semicolons to commas but its an extra step in the process.   

"Public Domain" is public domain.  Not "traditional public domain" or "Creative Commons". 

https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
The term �public domain� refers to creative materials that are not protected by intellectual property laws such as copyright, trademark, or patent laws. The public owns these works, not an individual author or artist. Anyone can use a public domain work without obtaining permission, but no one can ever own it.

"for example you can not sell them and claim you are the author which some would like to do for sure"

I mean, that's a separate issue.

Sure, but Public domain equivalent licenses exist just because some legal jurisdictions do not provide for authors to voluntarily place their work in the public domain and some of those licenses ( CC1.0) allow absolutely equal use as public domain, just it was obtained in different way so that it becomes legally possible. 

Those images are tagged as public domain by main internet archives.

Also if one is selling that on products like prints etc, he will be most probably obligated by user agreement on most of those platform to use "public domain" in tags or even in the description.

On most POD sites it says to tag CC license images as "public domain" not as creative commons or something else.

   

Quote from: Lizard on November 15, 2020, 14:26

It actually depends on the license itself , not all public domain photos have the same. Some require attribution and a link under the product etc.

I suggest that you read about creativecommons licenses here.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/

In general you want CC1.0 licence that requires no attribution. 

2,3 and 4 do have terms of use from linking back, describing changes, making changes share alike terms and so on.

The images that require attribution/ links etc. aren't public domain. Someone holds the rights and is granting broad rights to usage to other people (depending on the CC license they choose to offer the image under).

If an image is public domain who would chose what CC license to release it under (rhetorical)?

You can use a public domain image however you like as no one holds the rights. You have to worry about 1. the agencies' terms; they choose what to allow and a lot don't allow any PD images in their collections 2. where you source the image from, a lot of websites are giving stolen content away under the guise of public domain 3. rules of different countries as to when something falls into the public domain.

Wrong, images that are public domain may require attribution depending on license and how they became public domain.

Non rhetorical, for example, NASA can give photos that they hold rights to public domain library. Not only them, you can do it also with your photos.

And no,  you cant use them as you wish, for example you can not sell them and claim you are the author which some would like to do for sure. 

Quote from: ShadySue on September 25, 2020, 17:46

I've just been again on my pixels site, and like last night, I can't seem to do anything there which brings up anyone's images other than my own. What are you doing to bring up a general search?

ok, i found the reason for diff results

there are 2 ways to access a site

 https://steve-estvanik.pixels.com  is the one y'all have been using and keeps you on the site


but there's another version from within FAA and which i found searching google for 'pixels estvanik' (i didnt remember the site name since i use the widget on my website)
https://pixels.com/art/estvanik   this one takes you away when you search

Right, because the second one is just your profile on main pixel.com site which is pretty much same as FAA main site and the top search includes art from all artists.

The firs link is your store and if you want to keep you customers around your art only you should promote just that one.   

Quote from: Lizard on September 24, 2020, 15:13

Quote from: cascoly on September 23, 2020, 22:19

Quote from: Lizard on September 21, 2020, 18:26

   
 
One of the things that makes FAA convenient is that you get your personal pixels.ccom site which is basically FAA store clone  which you can use as a store implemented in your personal website or by app on page, or via link to your pixels store where only your work is shown. 

EXCEPT for the little fact that when  someone does a search on 'your' pixel site, the results come from the entire FAA collection, so any users you may attract are soon lured away

No it doesn't. That happens only on your FAA profile page. On your personal pixels.com site only your work shows up and nothing else.

I was 100% sure in this but I just checked again. Only your work shows up and its a huge +

It's happened in the past. Then a bunch of users complained on the forum there, and eventually it was fixed.  I think this happened more than once.

I've been selling there for years, usually a few a month.

Really strange, Im there from 2013. and somehow it never happened to me, and Im on my account almost on daily basis so I would probably have noticed. That not happening is one of the main reasons i use FAA at first place because than the personal store would lose its purpose.

Quote from: Lizard on September 21, 2020, 18:26

   
 
One of the things that makes FAA convenient is that you get your personal pixels.ccom site which is basically FAA store clone  which you can use as a store implemented in your personal website or by app on page, or via link to your pixels store where only your work is shown. 

EXCEPT for the little fact that when  someone does a search on 'your' pixel site, the results come from the entire FAA collection, so any users you may attract are soon lured away

No it doesn't. That happens only on your FAA profile page. On your personal pixels.com site only your work shows up and nothing else.

I was 100% sure in this but I just checked again. Only your work shows up and its a huge + 

I sell Framed Prints.....For a Lot of Money. I want the best I can get.

So do I...and Im not complaining either.

If it works for your customers?....Great. I Custom mount and frame My Prints also.

It obviously does because they keep coming back.  FAA offers nice selection of 100+ pretty quality frames that buyers can select on the spot without need that I loose my time discussing that with them.

I tested many, many Printers. I rated FAA a 4. I use "NASH EDITIONS" Graham Nash from Crosby,Stills and Nash His company is #1. My clients and where I show. demands the Best I can get...Ya just want a fairly good Print. go to Costco.

As I focus on large prints where FAA can deliver 108" and as I see Nash Editions can do up to 60" that's a huge point for FAA which in my case nullifies slight difference in colors which most of the buyers wont even notice even if you point that out to them.

I need color matched Archival work and I need Proofing.I also do the signed archival matts and build My frames

I need a place with good quality products, low expenses in terms of material, printing, packing and shipping costs where I can showcase and sell my prints to buyers who are happy with my art to the level that they keep coming back and recommend my work to their friends. FAA does exactly that.

I've been Printing My work over 50 Years......

Good for you, I'm doing it for 20 and Im not planning to stop.   

And BTW.....I just got a Large raise at SS.
Why? Don't know......Don't Care.

And what . does this mean. Microstock is Only one Outlet man. and Im doing stock  a Lot longer than SS has been around and Longer than the Internet.

I agree, don't know....don't care. But if I have to guess, probably they don't want to get rid of the only living photographer who witnessed and is in possession of original negatives of the Big Bang or the moment Eve decided to take the apple from that snake.

"Same as on microstock sites and you still decided to sell there."
This Place is getting real Boring.

When you call out and insult other artist that they have to be embarrassed to sell among "idiots" on FAA and you should at least expect a remark on your SS work. I mean the man, the myth, the legend putting his work for sale at 10cents among amateur snapshots of smiley faces finger drawn in minced meat, something doesn't hold water. I mean I would expect such move from myself who don't care about color matched Archival work and and who doesn't  need Proofing or buildin my own frames...but from you, never.

The only thing boring here is when one reads your post about being there from stone age for the 3765234576889787. time as an argument in serious conversation.

Just a tip for those who plan to sell based just on their search engine:

Lets say you are selling landscapes. If Im not mistaken their pages show 35 pages of results and about 70 or so images per page so only 2450 images altogether are shown in the search.
So, there are cca 2,5M images results for landscape of which 2 497 550 don't even show in the search.

Same goes even for long-tail keywords if the words are popular.

Basically if you want to sell there on constant basis you have to build your marketing system and actively promote your work or have a specialized niche with low competition. Sure, occasional sales are happening but most people who do really well there say that they spend way more time on promoting than on creating art.   

I wonder If they could pull out paying 5 or even 1 cent per download in the future. Actually I even hope they will try. To charge hosting to contributors is also an idea worth considering. There is space for huge discounts plans for those who sell a lot.

What is the final goal of the protest?
How realistic are all these energy and time consuming actions?

What is the final SS goal of fighting the protest with irrelevant trolls?
How realistic are all these energy and time consuming actions?

If this is really happening ( my portfolio is deactivated so I dont have that experience) ther real problem can be something else.

What if someone has strategy that he sells rejected images at SS, at some other agency as exclusive content. That can get him in legal trouble and SS would be clearly responsible for that.