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Shutterstock's shop is part of FAA "Brands". If you follow the crumb trail back you get to:

https://fineartamerica.com/gallerydirectory.html

Where you can find Getty Images with over 700k items. Some is vintage stuff, but some looks like regular stock and the contributor is named (just like in SS's uploads). Upload dates are in July 2019

https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/gettyimages.html

Some of the images that came to Getty via EyeEm are there too (you can search the collection to see if your stuff is there)


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Shutterstock.com / Re: Updates to (SS) Similar Content Policy
« on: August 05, 2019, 11:48 »
Do they mean they are updating their policy or actually abiding by the policy they already have....for those that don't get "waved through" inspection  :-\

https://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/en_US/kbat02/000012339

From the end of the article, there's a paragraph that I think is addressing that topic:

"You may encounter instances in which your work was rejected even though there is similar content already exists on the customer site. Our collection is frequently evaluated and content that does not comply with our guidelines is removed. Intentional disregard of any of Shutterstocks policies can result in account suspension or termination."

If I were to translate the above: We may never get around to removing the overwhelming amount of image spam we have permitted, but if you submit similars, we can close your account.


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I hadn't heard about this before - thanks for posting. Based on the upload dates, this happened June 19 2019

Basically, Shutterstock is competing with its contributors by selling prints on FAA given they haven't eliminated duplicates with own accounts.

Some of their pricing is lower than my own, some higher. SS has only one of my images in their shop and I have no idea how I'd know if there was a sale via FAA. I'm just taking a wild guess that I'd make less because SS is taking a cut.

I don't remember reading anything about this and I definitely think they should have asked first given FAA is a place where contributors can upload themselves. And SS needs an opt out specifically for this partnership...

In practice, with one image, it's not that big a deal for me, but it might be a huge deal for others. I guess it also means that FAA have given up on their attempts to license images :)

SS announces its Q2 financial results on Tuesday. Perhaps this deal is another shiny object to distract investors from slowing growth and a collection larded with spam and Associated Press images uploaded by "contributors" who have no rights to those images...

Edited to add that there's a "Shutterstock collection" on art.com too. I did a google search as I remembered seeing the image pop up higher than expected in the last month or so and wondered. A search for Shutterstock there says there are about 18K images (search for Shutterstock to find the images)

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Newbie Discussion / Re: Alamy Payments
« on: August 04, 2019, 12:01 »
The way I think about the horrendous gap between the purchaser downloading the image and me getting paid is that it is covered by Alamy's higher prices. It's a very common business practice to charge less for payment up front (car rental or hotel) versus when you check in/pick up versus when the invoice arrives later.

The smaller sales with long-delayed payment are an annoyance, but I can live with that. I don't do distributor sales because I think it's a racket in the age of internet agencies and the distributor makes more than I do for essentially nothing. Fortunately, Alamy lets you opt out.

As an example, I got paid August 1st for a sale from 30 May that just cleared at the end of July. The longest was over a year (including several emails with Alamy support to remind them to chase the customer up).

I have had a few refunds, but not lots.

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Not sure if this is the plugin you were thinking of (search for SeedProd)

https://www.sumydesigns.com/take-down-website/

My site is still up and functional - very occasional sales these days. The first time I can't upgrade WordPress or anything requiring work and it's gone, but so far, things keep on going :)

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Apparently you got into a business you didn't understand. Insulting people who are trying to explain things - not defending them - isn't helpful to anyone.

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Yes, most have a products for resale license.
...Anyone that finds this tremendously unfair?!...

What is it about this particular use of a licensed image (let's assume for the moment it was licensed correctly) that you find unfair?

There are people who have problems with microstock prices in general - too many rights offered for too little money - but that applies to magazine covers, poster sales or bus wraps, not just print-on-demand wallpaper.

There are real costs associated with the production of large format prints, wallpaper, clothing, mugs, etc. beyond the value of the image on them. If you look at pricing on sites like Fine Art America or Zazzle or any of the sites that deliver physical products, they offer contributors a way of setting the value of the image (a margin) and then they add that to the costs of producing and shipping the item. Extended licenses from stock agencies generally just have a set price for the license (Dreamstime and 123rf had more pick-and-choose ELs but both agencies are moribund at this point so not typical).

If the issue is other people making money when they license your images, then maybe licensing your work isn't for you...

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Newbie Discussion / Re: How much time?
« on: August 01, 2019, 12:00 »
If you're new to this, you'll get better and faster at editing the photos and handling metadata over time.

10 similars is going to get you a lot of rejections - not all agencies are equally strict, but you want to make selections based on usefulness (which equates to salability) not on how fast you can process the files.

Good images will sell for years, so the time to get it online isn't really an issue except for those image spam portfolios on SS, and there is no reason to try and be like them :)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: July 2019 Earnings Reports
« on: August 01, 2019, 11:49 »
Fun read - thanks.

Why is your number so lo for Adobe Stock? You have fewer files than at SS, but still, $65 is tiny. Seems really out of line.

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GLStock / Re: GLStock does not pay ?
« on: July 30, 2019, 14:12 »
I haven't tried contacting them, but I have a $20.80 balance sitting there with no new sales in nearly 2 years (but I stopped uploading there when sales stopped).

I was sort of hoping that if they shut down they'd pay their balances owed - it's not our fault their site is moribund and they should just pay us our earnings and shut up shop if they aren't going to actively manage the site.

They've been able to hang on to all those earnings for all those who haven't met the payout threshold - money in the bank for them to offset their operating expenses even if they aren't doing much beyond keeping the site up.

How about changing your policy on payout of balances to those closing accounts? Or reducing the threshold to $5 (to avoid nuisance payments for a few cents)?

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...Nikon scanners or others with ICE technology were much better.

They are pretty good - not completely cleanup-free, but a huge improvement over manual clean-up.

I have a Nikon SuperCoolscan and am able to use it with MacOS Mojave courtesy of two dongles for the hardware connection (FireWire to Thunderbolt1; Thunderbolt1 to 3) and VueScan for software - Nikon gave up on drivers or software for their devices years ago and thank heavens for Ed Hamrick and VueScan to keep the device operational

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Ironically:
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/protect-your-content?fbclid=IwAR0tiYqNHX5ZEGGFY5FcCEf0RvAqdcHybIj8HC4MkCdzNM2O603HS6l42JQ

"We pride ourselves on the integrity of the content submitted by our contributors...."

Right. But that was said in 2014 - clearly a different time . . . to be judged by the standards of the day . . .

Goes along with "Your call is very important to us.."

Tossers!

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This person's portfolio is full of stuff credited to other people - here's one that's an Associated Press photo that appeared in the Washington Post on July 19th:



And this is an AP photo of Tokyo's olympic stadium (identical clouds in an identical position; he/she just cropped off the right side)

https://qz.com/1188832/south-koreas-100-million-winter-olympics-stadium-will-be-used-exactly-four-times/

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/tokyojapan-06252019-tokyo-2020-olympic-site-1458093230?src=w9v9aahSTSN3w54x81A4ng-1-7&studio=1

After you find more than a few that are stolen, I think the ethical thing to do is take the whole portfolio down.

One mistake could happen - a whole bunch of obvious stolen content means SS should not sully its reputation by hosting anything from that person.

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Canva / Re: Canva - did I miss something?
« on: July 22, 2019, 12:24 »

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where marketplace for sell stock photo without aweiting for review...

What do you hope to gain by avoiding the wait for a review? Are you uploading time sensitive editorial work?

The most important thing is finding sites that can move a good volume of sales, not one that gets the work online the fastest. The work will sell for years (if it's any good) so waiting for a few days to get it online is meaningless over the life of the image.

You have time to get your Christmas images online if you start now, if that was your worry :)

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There is no economy of scale for the lawyer to make the work significantly less for handling a large number of low-value claims.

There's no class action possibility (in the US) for contributors whose work has been used without, or in violation of the terms of, a license

Given that, there's no sense in trying to pool resources to pay a lawyer.

The fundamental problem is that each violation is a small value item even if in total, the sum of all violations is large.

The only way this will change is with very expensive licenses (which is not the direction the business is moving in) or very large statutory fines for violations, regardless of the actual commercial loss.

It's the economics of microstock licenses that makes this situation hard to fight.

And that doesn't even deal with the issue of what list of countries are you going to pursue legal fights? Violators and contributors are all over the globe...

Write this off like "shrinkage" in retail. It's a cost of doing business.

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New Sites - General / Re: Wemark - Are they still alive?
« on: July 11, 2019, 10:59 »
...I think that guys deserved the chance to try....
...they never gave any reason for buyers to use their site...
(Emphasis mine)

It does no newcomer any favor to just uncritically support whatever scheme they dream up. Lousy ideas do not deserve a chance. Things like Canva - which sadly hasn't panned out well for contributors - offered something unique to buyers and absolutely deserved a chance.

Suspending our judgment - which is based on experience - would only lead to more crashes and burns. Arguably, it would have done Wemark a favor if it hadn't gotten any contributor support. Better to find out fast if you don't have anything viable.

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Canva / Re: Canva - did I miss something?
« on: July 08, 2019, 14:43 »
...Both of these are efforts to keep users happy ...however we've become aware that there is a major downside which is a decline in contributor sales...

What planet do you live on that it didn't occur to them the Getty partnership and offering collections of free images would impact the sales of those who uploaded to Canva?

Really??

I'd take any soothing words about how they want to improve things with a truck load of salt. They're either not serious or so inept as to be incapable of implementing any remedy.

It's such a shame that a company with an honestly innovative approach - as opposed to all the Shutterstock wannabes with no marketing plans - turned out to be such a waste of space from a contributor point of view.

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Well seeing as the money just arrived in my Paypal account I didn't even bother to read their bull-sh-it email....

That's even better then - because you said that I went to check PayPal and my money is there! No email about that (and I didn't get one last month either; just happened to notice the money showed up when logging in to my a/c for something else)

So, kudos to SS for payout being really early (I assume so their staff could enjoy the holiday tomorrow and Friday)

And while I'm typing this I get the email from PayPal about the payout...

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Shutterstock.com / Couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery!
« on: July 03, 2019, 15:11 »
This is a lovely English expression describing people who are woefully incompetent (and piss-up is slang for an alcohol-fueled party). Shutterstock appears to be heading for some sort of award for being unable to do anything well any more - sales being a big issue, but knowing when "today" is on the contributor app being another. It used to be one day behind. After the last "fix" it's now two days behind. And that's better somehow??

And now we have the monthly email about my earnings being computed - unedited screen capture of the email. No name, no amount no nothing (except for links to post this nothingburger to facebook, twitter, instagram, etc.

Tossers!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Deceased model
« on: July 03, 2019, 12:22 »
Is there anyone who will feel hurt if the images in question are used? A minor child or a spouse? Is there anything about the images that is going to seem truly crass or tasteless in light of the person's death? I'm thinking about a hypothetical such as paragliding images of that model and the model died in a paragliding accident.

If there isn't anything that will hurt the living, can you imagine the deceased person being upset at the thought the images would be used after their death? I have a number of images of me that are used as stock and I can't see any reason why my heirs couldn't continue to license them if they wish to, but not everyone might see it that way.

Given that there's no legal reason to remove the photos, I'd consider the feelings of the living and your guess at the feelings of the deceased model as your guide.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: June 28, 2019, 11:40 »
It isn't free if you charge 15% of royalties paid, so I'm not sure you should be describing your service as free. Perhaps saying no upfront charges, but we collect...

You need to check spellings in your FAQ - lots of typos

Then you have fudged some details about payouts. You have a threshold of $30 for payout, but agencies - Dreamstime is a $100 minimum, for example - may have higher ones. I'm sure you're assuming you'll be over the threshold in aggregate, but are you really promising to pay contributors even if you don't get paid by the agencies? What about refunds - do you have a policy for those? Dreamstime holds money for 7 days for EL sales; what's your policy for paying contributors? iStock pays ages in arrears, do you just follow their payments to you with payments to the Wirestock contributors?

I know this all sounds like quibbling, but you need to be clear to what extent you are offering clear and universal terms, and to what extent contributors are still bound by the various agency rules, not your rules.

Another big thing for contributors to consider IMO is to what extent the search position of their content will be affected by submitting under one account with a bunch of other contributors' work. It's probably impossible to know for sure, but search position is a large factor in decent images selling (or not). Especially if you are openly appealing to people who are new and can't even be bothered to accurately keyword their images, I'd be worried that my images might be dragged down by poor quality overall. Would you ever turn contributors down if their images were heavily rejected by agencies?

At one time, Dreasmtime used to set your upload limits on the basis of your acceptance percentage. I stopped uploading there so I don't know if they're still doing that, but all agencies have rules about accounts and what will you do to make sure your aggregated account doesn't get closed down because someone is submitting rubbish, or stolen content, or too many similars, or...

I've previously talked about the problems with turning over keywording for anything but the simplest of images, but even if you leave out editorial, there's a lot of specialist content where you need to know the details of what and where for accurate, useful and sales-producing keywords.

Given the small number of agencies that represent the bulk of the sales, I honestly don't think there's enough time saving to make it sane to turn over 15% of our earnings to a third party, for photos at least.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: May's numbers are out.
« on: June 19, 2019, 18:28 »
I have only a few remnants of my portfolio with iStock (files I can't sell anywhere else) so there's never anything exciting in the revenue reports, but I had to get a chuckle at the most recent because one of the sales was through the Canva "portal".

Lee Torrens chucked me out of Canva, but my ghost haunts them anyway :)

The sad part is that of a $5.70 sale, I receive 86 cents - lord knows what the buyer coughed up before Getty took their $5.70

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