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« on: October 10, 2023, 11:19 »
In my case the review process seems to be pretty consistent so far. Since my first post (which was 6 days ago), I had another ~1.300 images accepted, and my queue is almost empty now.
Well, I guess good to know that not everyone is treated equally on Adobe...? Still hardly any reviewing taking place for me.
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« on: October 10, 2023, 04:09 »
I got a bit more than this for 1650 photos.
But I'm not happy about it, because my work was abused to compete against me, without my explicit consent. 
"I got $614 for about 6,500 photos. Is this good or bad?"
Why do they pay the same amount of money for 6500 photos and for 1650 photos? 
Because this was not a "per photo" payment. The payment is based on the number of approved images and the number of licenses that those images generated
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« on: October 07, 2023, 12:29 »
So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.
But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.
not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image
Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about potential lawsuits of copyright violations. Winning a lawsuit against a big company for copyright violation should give you way more than .00001c.
>>> EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public.
so a company makes hundreds of millions of images available - how do you find yours w/o searching for each of your images? for 100 image portffolio that's reasonable - for 10,000+? unlikely
How would I know, I do not know any specifics of how the EU plans to make this possible. I do not even think it will even ever happen. ChatGPT has already said they would rather withdraw from the European market than have to make the info public - Because they know very well that, since they used the WHOLE INTERNET making a list is hardly posisble and even if they did it would just make them extremely vulnerable to lawsuits. The same will go for the AI image creators that just let their AI crawl the whole internet for image training. How would you even make a list with ALL images of the internet? That's hardly possible. But the point of this law and why I would welcome it is that it would show these companies that they screwed up and used copyrighted material they had no right to use. If they just had bought licenses from for example microstock agencies they could make a complete list with image IDs and artists' names. But they did not do that, so they can't.
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« on: October 07, 2023, 05:59 »
So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.
But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.
not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image
Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about potential lawsuits of copyright violations. Winning a lawsuit against a big company for copyright violation should give you way more than .00001c.
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« on: October 05, 2023, 11:32 »
upload yesterday, review and accept today 
Was it an editorial image?
156
« on: October 05, 2023, 04:05 »
Yes, you can sell items you have previously listed on Flickr. You do not "need" to delete them from flickr.
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« on: October 05, 2023, 03:37 »
Topic: Is the review process getting back to normal?
What should be "Normal"?
Sorry, but I'm not expecting always more dilution.
"Normal" should be the time Adobe took to review images before they opened the gates to AI content, which was a couple of days. Or the time other agencies take, which also isn't longer than a couple of days.
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« on: October 05, 2023, 00:54 »
Another explanation could be that they are penny pinching, using the open channels on Midjouney's discord. Anyone can copy your prompt or even re-roll it/ make variants etc. Midjourney encourages sharing and collaborating (I guess to push up-selling to pros)
Access to private chat is a major selling point of the pro licence so IMHO, if this is the case, these people have no right to complain.
This is of course also a possibility, but I still think it is the same person. The titels (if they are even the exact prompts), aren't really all that elebaorate ("Beach portrait of Young beautiful woman summer holidays"," happy cheerful male graduate going to school on a sunny september day"), and the topic ideas aren't very original, a lot of simple people portraits, so nothing even worth "stealing".
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« on: October 04, 2023, 10:22 »
We are committing $200 million over the next 3 years to AI and Creator royalties
Cool. According to stats I found online Canva had over over 100 million stock images, videos, and graphic elements and over 610,000 templates last year. So 200.000.000$ divided through (over) 100.610.000 contributor items divided through three years means less than 0.66$ per image/video/graphic/template per year. Doesn't sound as exciting as $200 million anymore.
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« on: October 04, 2023, 09:12 »
This happened to me last week. I thought "hurray, they are finally catching up", but then it went back to "normal". Haven't even had any images reviewed at all in days.
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« on: October 04, 2023, 08:11 »
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« on: October 03, 2023, 13:55 »
If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?
What would be the point since Adobe trained Firefly with images created with Midjourney and other generators.
No matter whether you let Midjourney create images or Adobe Firefly - since Firefly was trained with Midjourney images you end up getting images that are the result of unethical practices either way.
The point would be that in that case they would reinforce their words with actions. They say: "We have ethical AI content."
No. Removing all content previously created by Midjourney would not reinforce their actions. It would only make them look even more hypocritical. Never having used Midjourney created content to train their Firefly AI would have reinforced their actions. But that ship has sailed.
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« on: October 03, 2023, 13:46 »
I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?
They scraped the internet.
Laion-5B, a nonprofit, publicly available database that indexes more than five billion images from across the Internet, including the work of many artists.
See here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artists
There must be a collective lawsuit against Midjourney in the future.
So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI. But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.
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« on: October 03, 2023, 08:29 »
If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?
What would be the point since Adobe trained Firefly with images created with Midjourney and other generators. No matter whether you let Midjourney create images or Adobe Firefly - since Firefly was trained with Midjourney images you end up getting images that are the result of unethical practices either way.
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« on: October 03, 2023, 04:54 »
If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.
1. No, it's not. 2. It's most certainly not more difficult than getting "exactly what you want" when searching for an image in a Ai image / microstock agency.
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« on: October 03, 2023, 04:50 »
The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)
I often seem to face that problem. People who only do microstock as a side income often seem to have a very different view on things in opposite to the ones who do it for a living and depend on the income. Whenever an agency offers some way to earn "a few easy bucks", the ones who do it just as a side income seem to think "hurray, a few easy bucks!"and to them it's just some nice extra money on top of their income. But everyone who does microstock for a living has to think further and consider "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?". We have to think through very carefully if these few easy bucks will mean a loss of ten thousands of bucks in the long run for us. That's why sometimes is is very difficult to have a proper discussion when two people start out from two very different conditions. Sadly the decisions of the ones who do this as a side income affect the ones who do this as a living just as much, so sometimes it matters little what we decide.
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« on: October 02, 2023, 01:46 »
I don't why some of those OffSet photos are premium going for $249 minimum while our photos only get $0.10 90% of the times.
https://www.shutterstock.com/search/man?image_type=photo
OffSet photos on this particular keyword search actually look inferior to most other photos.
Because offset is a different agency (run by Shutterstock) with different prices and more selective with whom they allow in. Does that mean the quality is better of the images on Shutterstock? Probably not. Many good photographers might simply never have applied to them. Or they applied in the past were rejected and have improved a lot. At the beginning offset used to be "invite only" even. I think the only real difference between offset and shutterstock is that on offset you can expect a certain quality, while on shutterstock every cell-phone snapshot crap gets approved. This means that you can only find good photos on offset, but on shuttersock you can find images just as good or even better - but also all the crap. From a customers point of view I do not see much use in browsing the SS gallery and buying offset photos there. To me it only makes sense to go directly to the offset gallery and pay higher prices there just for the luxury of not having to browse through hundreds of medicore cell phone snap shots.
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« on: October 01, 2023, 14:16 »
instead in my opinion they are already doing it
You really think a one-time payment of a few hundred bucks is, somewhere in the 0.0X$ range per image, is even coming close to making up for my future income I will lose because of AI? I am a full time microstock photographer, based on my earnings so far and on and how many years I have left to work till retirement I would have estimated over half a milliion $ in income from microstock for the rest of my work-life - and that would be assuming my income would stay steady, while in fact my income has been constantly increasing with the size of my portfolio. My earnings will be diminished to close to nothing due to AI in the upcoming years. And you think by giving me a few hudred bucks Adobe is compensating me fairly for that loss? Are you kidding me?!
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« on: October 01, 2023, 13:47 »
Feedback wise - it is taking advantage of people that they "may or may not get paid" to design a product to try and permanently put them out of business so they never get paid again. No.
I'm curious,please enlighten us with your wisdom,what should Adobe do in your opinion
I am not SuperPhoto, but in my opinion: Compensate us in a way that will make up for the loss of income that AI will cause us for the rest of our lives. But of course Adobe will not do that, as the very point of AI is to replace human work/save money. But meeting somewhere in the middle would be nice and the decent thing to do.
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« on: October 01, 2023, 13:06 »
"Your image was flagged/reported for incorrect usage of the following keywords: gatti gatto seduto. No admin action has been taken yet and the report is pending"
okay,this is really funny,one of my images was reported by "Exyuretrotv" in Dreamstime,it is a photo of 2 cats sitting on a bench and the contested words are "cats" "cat" and "sitting" 
crazy stuff!
However,perhaps it's the fault of the translations,in Dreamstime the translations into Italian have always been terrible!
Sorry,it has nothing to do with the topic but I don't think it's worth starting a discussion about this.
Didn't want to make a new thread for this, but I just got this on dreamstime: "Your image was flagged/reported for incorrect usage of the following keywords: parakeet quail budgie finch chicken dog." I do not even know what parakeet or quail or budgie is - It's certainly not part of the keywors of the image and neither is finch, chicken or dog.
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« on: October 01, 2023, 05:55 »
Ok. Where does Midjourney get the data to create the images? Does it have permission from the authors?
Adobe Ai. It has the rights to create the images because it has its library and shares the profits with the authors.
No, they do not have permission, they just scraped the internet But since Adobe trained thair AI also with Midjourney (and DALL-E, and Stable diffusion, etc...) images, they also trained their AI with images they had no permission to use. So, same thing. Adobe just keeps saying their AI was ethnical and fair - and legally safe. But since they deliberately also used other AI generator's AI images submitted by contributors to their database to train their own AI, they know very well that this is just a ruse. Could have been so easily avoided if they only used real photos to train their AI, but they decided against that.
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« on: October 01, 2023, 01:40 »
Adobe Ai has content and commercial use rights. Midjourney has more data for content creation but I don't think it has commercial use rights. Even for a fee.
So Adobe are uninformed and misled or they are sufficiently informed and after analysis have decided to accept this AI pictures? To me is the second.
Midjourney gives commercial use rights. Every of their plans gives you General Commercial usage rights, unless you are part of a company with more than $1,000,000 USD a year in gross revenue. Then you need a "pro" or "mega" plan.
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« on: September 30, 2023, 13:38 »
how are these to be used for AI training if they have no metadata? are all images to be labeled with generic data? eg, food, rather than steak, hamburger, chicken etc?
I think what Adobe is looking for in these photos and wants to train the AI with are the hands and the mouths, not the food, so the type of food will not matter and therefore is not relevant metadata-wise. Mouths, especially open mouths with teeth and hands are something AI image generators still struggle with a lot. And for some strange reason, at least Midjourney, indeed struggles with bananas, even though it has no problem with most other fruits.
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« on: September 30, 2023, 10:34 »
Looking at new approvals in the genAI collection this morning (bad habit, I know...), #11 out of 17,943,949 is this clunker.
Businessman's Energetic Leap Across Stairs and Spaces, White Shirt Contrast
HOW does this get approved?
I am not only asking myself "How does this get approved?", but also "How does this get submitted?". It's really impossible to miss, so the person having AI create this image must have noticed the 3 legs, right? And wher are the stairs? And, why does this businessman not look like a businessman at all? What is happening here? I do not understand people.
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« on: September 30, 2023, 04:43 »
Maybe the graphics and photos are beautiful. Apparently Midjourney steals photos and graphics without the authors consent. Probably not an honest company. It is better to use Adobe Ai honestly
You mean Adobe AI which has been trained with Midjourney AI images....?
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