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Can it be done, yes. Will it be likely or easy? no.

I was making about 1$/image /month on IS. then they did a best match switcheroo and it took a lot more images to crawl up to making more (but much lower RPI), then they did another best match change and I was back to the same $ total but now with 10X the images I had before the first swap... This is sort of taking the high and low points of the graph, so not statistically very valid, but IS income can take a brutal hit w/o much notice.

Also SS RPI tends to drop off over time, although at least one submitter here that started recently has managed to maintain RPI for over a year while increasing their port.

I guess it mostly depends on how dependably you can submit high quality in demand images. (or video or vectors).

good luck.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Is it Just Me?
« on: June 22, 2010, 22:54 »
I think that the growth of images on the stock sites is much more rapid than the growth of most people's ports or the growth of buyers on stock sites, so all things being equal, RPI would drop over time (plus potential old images slowly losing sales).

as far as IS, this month is pretty lousy, on track to be the WM for 2009 and 2010. Hopefully things pick up a bit at the end of the month as they often seem to do. Still, IS has been a bit slow for me since a good March.

I do wonder how long IS can seem to push exclusive and exclusive premium content before something gives. It would be nice (and about time) for another site or sites to up the prices w/o lowering commission at the same time.

--=Tom

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Istock takes a brutal %age, but theoretically they do a lot of marketing etc. (and even this is unsustainable? don't get me started on that)... For this it seems like all they are is acting as a go-between for someone who found an image on flickr with the person who posted it. Maybe they take 80% of everything they touch, but I thought in the macro world they were more like 50%. I can certainly see why they'd be excited from going from paying a lower percentage and having to host images etc. to a model where others do most of the work and they just get most of the money.

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according to someone on another forum it looks like Getty is offering 20-30% depending on something (probably RF vs RM, etc). That is a pretty big slice for Getty to take considering someone else did all the work but the licensing (no keywording, no inspection of unwanted images, no running a search engine, etc. etc.).

It will be interesting where that goes in the long run... and how many end runs are done around Getty once people realize that both the buyer can save 50% and the photographers can make 50% more if they can cut out Getty.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New iStockphoto web design coming up
« on: June 19, 2010, 10:59 »
oh dear...

well, lets hope they learned something from all their poorly implemented previous "improvements".

Hopefully images can sell on their merits and not on their exclusivity.

I'd be a bit more worried if all my eggs were in this about to be restructured basket.

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New Sites - General / Re: Know anything about Dreamstock?
« on: June 19, 2010, 10:45 »
Simple math, at 100$ a month from the buyers, how much do you think they will be able to pay out to the photographers? Unless there are a lot of buyers coming from somewhere (hopefully not the places that pay us more now), I don't see this working out well.

Also I don't send SS my full size images, that way they can't sell full size for the sub cost (well, they can get upsized ones, but so can anyone upsize any image they get at a small size).

Please come back when you are paying out .30 or more per download, I think you will get a lot more interest here then, unless of course everywhere else is up to .50 by then.

--=Tom



if I may ask you something.. do you downsize the pictures to agencies that have subscription plans or just SS?..


just SS - it might hurt for EL sales, I don't know, but elsewhere there is a chance of larger size regular sales. - also most of them started offering subs later. Still it is painful for an XXL to go as a sub.

(edited to move my response out of the quoted bit)

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New Sites - General / Re: Know anything about Dreamstock?
« on: June 18, 2010, 20:07 »
Simple math, at 100$ a month from the buyers, how much do you think they will be able to pay out to the photographers? Unless there are a lot of buyers coming from somewhere (hopefully not the places that pay us more now), I don't see this working out well.

Also I don't send SS my full size images, that way they can't sell full size for the sub cost (well, they can get upsized ones, but so can anyone upsize any image they get at a small size).

Please come back when you are paying out .30 or more per download, I think you will get a lot more interest here then, unless of course everywhere else is up to .50 by then.

--=Tom

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One important question is what percentage is Getty offering the Flickr photographers and how much lower is it than what they offer "normal" Getty photographers.

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for 2010 credits the variation is:

maximum cost is 1.25/credit - max return 50% = .62 per credit

minimum cost is .77/credit, min return  30% = .23 per credit

(for independent)

older credits may be worth more or less.

for subs packages the return varies from .35 to 1.05 and the cheapest the buyers could get the images are about .20 per image. The most expensive for maxing out a subscription is around .43 per image. Obviously if all of the subs are not used DT makes a lot more.

edited to include subs

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123RF / Re: No FTP and Uploads Until June 14, 2010
« on: June 17, 2010, 13:44 »
yeah, they switched servers, of course in stealth mode they didn't actually mention it anywhere on the site that I could find... The new server worked for me.

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Veer / Re: New Veer Contributor Agreement Posted
« on: June 16, 2010, 21:36 »
re: Veer, nobody knows what the sales will be like. Corbis' previous forays into microstock were not particularly well done in my estimation, but if you are going to upload to Veer, you should do it now while they are paying you. Hopefully when they relaunch or whatever they are planning to do the sales will start to roll in. Meanwhile, nobody knows.

As far as the auto payouts every year, I would have liked to see auto payouts over 50$ or something at the end of the year. I totally agree it makes no sense to do it for some tiny sum (like under 20$ or something). If I don't get close to payout every year, the site is pretty worthless though. I am certainly expecting to hit over 100$ before the end of the year, especially w/ the dash for cash (which seems to be putting your money where your mouth is).

Prove me right guys.

--= (a different) Tom

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New Sites - General / Re: Know anything about Dreamstock?
« on: June 16, 2010, 19:10 »
I wonder how tight the fine print is, as even I could make money downloading an unlimited number of my own images for 10 cents a pop. (or maybe we could just make a microstockgroup account that buys one of each of our images every day. I'm sure I have 100 crap rejects somewhere on my hard drive...

I wouldn't be surprised if the number of dls get restricted in the future, but the 10 cents stays.

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123RF / Re: No FTP and Uploads Until June 14, 2010
« on: June 16, 2010, 12:23 »
FTP still isn't working for me 6-16-2010

As far as the rejections at 123RF, it often seems rather arbitrary to me often (near 100% accepted or 100% rejected varying by batch), but it is nice to know we have an appeal now if a rejection just seems totally out of line.

--=Tom

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Apple is more likely to sue or threaten to sue

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New Images DOA on Istock?
« on: June 14, 2010, 19:18 »
at IS, 1 of my last 20 was from this year. 13 were  from 2008 or older, leaving 6 for 2009. (there might be some overlap due to how they report).  I am always pleasantly surprised when an image under a month old sells at IS, it is so rare for me. I think starting a week late hurts for their best match, but I could be wrong.  May and June were good months at IS in 2009 for me, in 2010 Mar was good. This month is looking pretty weak so far. My port is up nearly 50% in that time though.  

Interesting numbers of new contributors at IS. I suspect now it would be tough to start w/ a 4 mp p&s as I did. Then again there are a lot of dslrs out there too. Curiously enough, those early pictures that I am guessing would never get me in or get accepted now continue to sell and sell.

--=Tom

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123RF / Re: massive rejections (IN or leaving...)
« on: June 12, 2010, 17:41 »
I however have made more in June so far than I did in all of last month. That isn't because June is particularly good, it is because May was really lousy. The last few batches that were all reviewed at once were all accepted at 123RF for a nice change. Of course according to Bigstock they were mostly out of focus... sigh. but don't even get me started on the plummeting sales there.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: getty reviewers
« on: June 12, 2010, 08:39 »
oops.

It says if you "want an image with no watermark, please sign in or register"...

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Veer / Re: New Veer Contributor Agreement Posted
« on: June 10, 2010, 20:36 »
How will the cash price compare to the credit price for images - will they be about the same, or will the cash price be more (but we will still get paid as if it were a credit sale = lower royalty rate?)

--=Tom

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123RF / Re: FTP can't connect to 123RF to upload again?
« on: June 05, 2010, 21:00 »
It tells me "password rejected" Sat night.

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I delete the really obvious losers, but I figure that for the cost of another hard drive it is worth it not to anguish over which of the others to delete.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Curiouser and curiouser.
« on: May 22, 2010, 20:58 »
Fotolia seems to be the master of doing things w/o telling anyone.

As an aside I inquired about joining with their operation level ground and after a long wait they returned that it was only available for people that aren't already there (which I wasn't). I told them so and never heard back from them. Each time they do something underhanded I am glad I am not with them, and whenever people mention how well they are doing there I say "doh". Mostly I am glad though.

--=Tom

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Thinkstock image on CNN
« on: May 19, 2010, 00:43 »
The biggest insult of the .25 at thinkstock is that they bought out Jupiter where they were getting .30/dl and then gave us the option to switch it over to .25  and many of us said we didn't think that was the direction we wanted to encourage the sites to go and told them where to... well, you get the idea.

getting .19 or .20 for an XS is painful, but at least it isn't a full size.  and many of my images at SS are downsized too.

--=Tom

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Veer / Re: Upload limits at Veer
« on: May 17, 2010, 12:00 »
unfortunately like IS, unless you can upload and process (or do it ahead of time) instantly, that means you don't really get 100 per week (if you are trying to squeeze the max into an 8 week period. It would be nice if they did tell you when your slots would open up again though.

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Veer / Re: Veer - Dash For Cash - Inspection Time
« on: May 14, 2010, 23:15 »
is that 100 per week sort of on a rolling week like IS does it or is it per week that the dash for cash is running (so for example if you submit 50 on day 1 and 50 on day 3, then on day 8 you could submit another 50 and on day 10 another 50, or could you submit another 100 on day 8? or is it 168 hours before you can upload again?

If the former I need to keep better track of what days I can submit again.

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The first week of this month was pretty bad across the board except SS (about normal), IS was way down for the first week but has picked up the pace for the second week for the most part, DT less so. BigStock pathetic... It seems that SS has switched a bit more to newer content? I could be wrong though.

hopefully things pick up.

--=Tom

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