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Messages - Hannafate

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I can see the judge's point on some images.  Shutterstock has accepted several images of clear sky.  The photographer simply pointed their camera at a clear blue sky, and submitted the result.  A blue rectangle.  Should that really be copyrightable?  Anyone can reproduce it.  Are all of the clear blue sky photos infringing on each other?

If I were daft enough to submit such an image, would I be "copying" them?

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*snork*  at the bottom of their page:  All rights reserved.

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Considering how often SS has claimed to have "fixed" something they really haven't, I won't believe them if they say they have fixed their code.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
« on: December 22, 2017, 09:32 »
I thought I should add this.

I started to make the previous post using the word "fake", but corrected it to "forgery", which is the correct term.

It occurred to me that some submitters might have made the error of thinking that fudging on documentation was no big deal.  A model release gets rejected because the dates don't all match, and it's tempting to just paste in a new date.  After all, it was supposed to be that way. That is actually forgery.  It's a forgery that probably will never be challenged and examined, but it is.

Making up a model release for some street person you are sure won't ever see their picture in use, so you can sell the picture, is a felony.

Committing a felony just to get a couple more images into your portfolio is not a practical decision.

Just so you know, when I was remarking about how simple the act is, I wasn't condoning it.  Just pointing out that thieves probably also commit forgery with the same smugness. 

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Image Sleuth / Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
« on: December 22, 2017, 09:18 »
Well, he was amusing while he lasted. 

He (or she) posted useful information about weaknesses in image security, nothing really new, though.

And, 50%, forging model releases, property releases, or other image documentation is absurdly easy.  It always amused me when Shutterstock asked for image references for my illustrations.  All the reference image would prove is that I have some minor skills with editing programs, which I had already shown by submitting the eps and matching jpg file properly.

Forged releases would probably not stand up under scrutiny, but as Mark Hofmann pointed out, if you do it right, your work never gets examined.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Confessions of a MiroStock Thief
« on: December 21, 2017, 20:03 »
I'm not falling for it.  I know you're wearing your asbestos underwear, so I refuse to breathe flames at you.


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I just went over and looked at Arcangel.  Talk about all "vroom" and no "zoom"!

The site is very pretty, with lots of cute presentation tricks that make it a pain in the ass to find any useful information in.  It's like swimming in loose pages.  The contributor information is presented as a catalogue with pages to flip.  You can't search for key phrases to get to what you want to know.  Everything has to load, Flash has to be activated, it's a mess.  The "help desk" link is maximum 404. 

If they spend this much bandwidth and coding on promoting themselves to contributors (who don't need to be sold to, since we are actively looking for outlets) the buyer end must be hellish.

I wouldn't expect to sell much there.

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Off Topic / Re: Apropos of Nothing - this week
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:22 »


In case it doesn't show, I'm feeling cranky this morning.

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Off Topic / Re: Apropos of Nothing - this week
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:19 »

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They probably just need to renew their certificate.  That happens a lot.  Usually, though, IT picks up on it quickly and fixes it.

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SS seems to have problems with secure coding.

This morning, Firefox didn't want to go to their forum, because the code was not secure.

*sigh*

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Alamy.com / Re: Commission ???
« on: December 10, 2017, 18:12 »
I have complained to Alamy about this before, and they say they're being "transparent".

I suppose they are more honest than some sites, in that they let us know how much they are charging customers, but it's confusing.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: impossible model release
« on: December 10, 2017, 18:11 »
Some completely dishonest and untrustworthy people would forge a model release for the image.  Not suggesting you do any such thing, of course.

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Microstock News / Re: Disturbing new stock image app
« on: December 08, 2017, 16:04 »
Thinking about it, any legit stock site has a goal of keeping people from being sued by photographers for using stolen images.  They are where to go for legally cleared photos.

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Microstock News / Re: Disturbing new stock image app
« on: December 08, 2017, 15:44 »
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a scam.   Really, I would LOVE it if this was a scam.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: My Account has been terminated
« on: December 08, 2017, 09:15 »
It was other contributors who told him not do to that.  He was complaining about getting a rejection for copyright. (SS telling him not do to that)

I recognized him because of his obsession with Ataturk.

I'll see if I can find the link for you.

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No... The sloppy web design doesn't inspire confidence.  You might entice buyers, but not experienced contributors.

I have a personal prejudice against web pages that move around while I'm trying to look at them.  Keep it simple, so you can keep the code tight.  The submitters' side should be designed to look good and work well on a desktop computer, no matter how you plan to market the other side.

If your platform isn't solid, too many things could go wrong.  You don't want to frustrate your contributors, or confuse your buyers.

The "business" part of owning a microstock site is complicated, and you'll need a very good bookkeeper.

Maybe start out with just a site for yourself and a couple of friends.  Or just a specific topic.  Keep it small until you get the hang of it.  Don't issue a general solicitation for contributors until you know you have the whole process smooth. 

As well as being prepared for not much happening, think about what you will do if a lot starts happening. Will you be able to expand rapidly, without glitches?  Will your data storage costs rise faster than your income?

There's a lot to think about.




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I saw what happened when iStock screwed up a few years ago, and lost their contributors' confidence.  Their portfolio hemorrhaged millions of images overnight.  More millions vanished in the next 48 hours.  This wasn't just people opting out of sales, either, they were deleting.

If I recall correctly, they made a deal with Microsoft that had some similarities to Shutterstock's deal with Facebook. 


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Shutterstock.com / Re: My Account has been terminated
« on: December 07, 2017, 17:17 »
You asked about this on the Shutterstock forum, and were told not do to it.  You did anyway.

Even if you think a stock site is being stupid about something, it DOES NOT WORK to try to make them change their mind by doing stuff you know they don't approve of.  You won't change their mind, you can't force them do to something just because you want it.

Any site, not just Shutterstock.

Seriously, using anything from wikimedia commons is just asking to get booted. 

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If all their images are withdrawn, Shutterstock's contract with Facebook will be void, and they'll suffer financially for it.  Probably won't help us, but it will hurt them. 


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For anyone else who wants to know how, since Shutterstock support probably won't tell you, here's how to disable your images altogether.

From your dashboard, go to the drop down under your name in the upper right corner of the page, and select "account settings"

On the right side, about half way down on that page, will be buttons to opt out of selling extended license, etc.

Opt out of image sales.  Save settings. (big red button, bottom left)  You're done.

This doesn't delete your images, so you can opt back in, if Shutterstock gets their s*** together.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Was I hallucinating?
« on: December 06, 2017, 13:15 »
For anyone else who wants to know how, since Shutterstock support probably won't tell you, here's how to disable your images altogether.

From your dashboard, go to the drop down under your name in the upper right corner of the page, and select "account settings"

On the right side, about half way down on that page, will be buttons to opt out of selling extended license, etc.

Opt out of image sales.  Save settings. (big red button, bottom left)  You're done.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Was I hallucinating?
« on: December 06, 2017, 09:34 »
Dammit, Shutterstock.  I've been with you for over a decade.

Today, I disabled all my images. (we'll see if they actually vanish like they're supposed to, or I have to be more aggressive)

There's a lot of abuse I'll put up with as a stock contributor, but don't devalue my work by giving it away.

I was actually making money from, them, too.

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My rule of thumb on things is museums is this:  If they sell pictures of it in the gift shop, they probably don't want you selling pictures of it as commercial stock. 

It's just business sense.

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