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General Stock Discussion / Re: my design in temu.com
« on: July 04, 2024, 10:18 »
(a) How did you discover your image on a "hat"? I know there are certain tools to look for similar images - but how did you manage to find "that"?
(b) If you didn't give it away for free - then you can probably contact the temu website.

no its not free . I have uploaded this design to shutterstock and Adobe Stock

How did you discover it though? I.e., how did you find out someone else was using it?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: my design in temu.com
« on: July 03, 2024, 09:22 »
(a) How did you discover your image on a "hat"? I know there are certain tools to look for similar images - but how did you manage to find "that"?
(b) If you didn't give it away for free - then you can probably contact the temu website.

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Pond5 / Re: Pond5 Forcing Price Drop
« on: July 02, 2024, 18:17 »
How can Pond5 compete with so many other agencies offering base subscription prices. I haven't had one sale on Pond5 since June 6 and while I'm not a volume seller on Pond5 I do get quite regular sales, usually. I feel the whole stock market is under pressure now, even Adobe Stock is showing signs of slowing which together with other agencies falling sales is indicative of a broad marketplace slowdown.

a) The marketplace is not slowing down. The "ai companies" that have done massive theft & stolen other people's work so they can "blend" it and try and pass it off as their own, are ramping up their efforts.
b) The content is still unique enough on Pond5 that people do like purchasing there. Different licensing rights - and the fact - even though the "ai" companies are mass producing "ai" stuff - some companies prefer authentic over the fake blended content. (For various reasons, including authenticity and being able to state it is an authentic video product without fake content).

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Mid-Year Sales Update
« on: July 01, 2024, 08:56 »
Seems you are doing quite well, congratulations! Wish I was seeing those types of results.

What types of video assets do you have? (I do video as well, but not the same types of numbers).

Thanks!

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Well, if they don't pay contributors for sales there - it's probably because they figured they could get away with it, figuring most artists were european/north american, and didn't speak Korean...

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About this time last year (May 2023) there were about 5 million "gen ai" images.

As of today (June 2024), there are about 88 MILLION "gen ai" images.

About 17x as much competition, educated guess primarily from east indian "artists" (content mills/spammers with multiple accounts to circumvent things/etc), as well as malaysian/phillipines/etc.

Could be part of the reason...

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i feel this might have been discussed elsewhere but does anyone have a good sense of how frame rates affect sales?  if someone is working on a 24 fps video will they only purchase those or do 30/60, etc. also work cause they'll just convert them.  i saw some advice somewhere to shoot in the highest frame rate you can so buyers can slow footage down to whatever they need but wondering if i should also do some stuff in 24 for that market.  sorry to hijack the thread.

23/24 fps seems to be the 'standard'. I'm also a buyer (in addition to being a producer) - and I've never cared too much if it was 30fps or 60fps. The only thing I found annoying (in particular, tended to be on motionarray) - was when you had ONE GIGABYTE 4k files of a 15 second clip of someone eating a banana... NO reason for it to be that large - those files were pretty much useless such that I don't source specifically videos from that site any more...

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Thanks for the reply Yes its my image of course is just I ve heard that Adobe looks at some images As ai generated even when you edit them thats why I was Asking I m not sure if these web sites use ai to remove the image background

No, that's fine. I've done that with my own PNG's.

ALso "ai" is such an overused & misused term (current "ai" is simply sophisticated theft - the "problem" they have is removing watermarks, i.e., "copyright" notices from stolen images, stolen videos, and deception/trickery to try and "compensate" users for stealing their works). The type of "AI" you are describing technically existed in the 1990's with applications such as Corel Draw (a very good application that I actually still use). It has a "magic" brush which can get rid of backgrounds (the same type of thing online tools do) - and then you have an isolated object.

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If it is your image - that should probably be fine - because you are simply extracting an object and I am assuming you want to make it a .png file, correct? If so, yes, should be fine.

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There is a big disadvantage, after import the categories are not populated automatically and you have to do it manually by clicking on each image one by one.

How do you get categories populated auomatically? I've always needed to 'manually' set them... Thanks!

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I don't necessarily believe in putting pressure on them. I'm only a small fish in their pool, and we all know any kind of protest is a waste of energy. We all know where it went with Shutterstock, don't we?

I don't know what you mean with contacting others by the messaging thing, I just upload there every now and then (which is a painful process) and leave.
Cash out afterwards. All in all, despite being a revenue sharing agency, it's still rather ok in terms of earnings each month. Roughly 10% of my microstock income, and I only have roughly 15% of my portfolio online with them. Images only.

I'm still requesting more details regarding the change. I have - in theory - no issues with negotiated deals regarding extended or more flexible usage, as they are supposed to bring in more money. But is this really the case, and how much of that is distributed to the contributor? Unclear for me. Biggest issue is sublicensing, whatever that is. Does it mean that others can sell my content, and how are those resellers then compensating the contributor at MotionArray. Anyhow, I'm not very well educated when it comes to licensing, but it all sounds like a big grey zone, signing off for a blanc cheque. And if it smells fishy, in Microstock, most of the times, it is.

Let's see how they react on that. So far, their support has been friendly and very reactive. But also vague ;-)

That is a very defeatist attitude, and I suppose would explain why a number of stock photographers just whine and complain. It is not a waste of energy, it is an effective use of energy providing done correctly. And I, as others, are not part of that royal "we". It's important to realize not everyone feels or thinks that way - and that you actually can renegotiate and get favorable results.

a) Yes, sublicensing means they can sell your content/re-license your content. "Sub-license", i.e., passing on a license.
b) The "we can add more or remove whatever we feel like rights" basically says they can do whatever the 'f' they feel like - that is - if you agree to it. So don't agree to it.
c) And yes, it is extremely broad/open. And of course their support would be friendly - if you are giving them a blank cheque to sell your assets for $500 and you get $1, if you get anything at all, who wouldn't be happy? Of course they will nod their head & grin - they are taken you to the cleaners if you let them. And that's also why they are vague - hoping you are too dumb to know any better. Ask for details & clarification. Ask them to put it in WRITING.

I'll break this down. (& BTW - important to note the "jurisdiction" is Tel Aviv, Israel. NOT the USA (like it used to be in GA).
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In the event that Author submits Digital Media to Publisher and the Digital Media is accepted by Publisher as set forth below, Author hereby grants Publisher worldwide, perpetual rights to publish, copy, use, broadcast, make available to the public, display, alter, make derivative work, distribute, commercially use and otherwise exploit, the Digital Media, for the entire copyright term therein, in any and all media and formats now known and hereafter devised, and to license the rights in the Digital Media to platform users, subject to the users terms of use and license, as modified by the Publisher from time to time.

In addition to the rights stated above, Author hereby grants Publisher worldwide rights to license the Digital Media to third parties as part of tailor-made business licenses which may offer additional uses, expansion of rights or less restrictions, including, but not limited to, the right to use the Digital Media without synchronization or as stand-alone file, to include the Digital Media in any kind of collections, to grant third parties the right to sublicense the Digital Media to their users, clients or anyone on their behalf, and any other license, method, format or media the Publisher may decide (Business License).

Author hereby unconditionally and irrevocably waives the enforcement of droit moral rights, moral rights of authors or any other rights with respect to attribution of authorship or integrity relating to Digital Media. Publisher in its sole discretion may review Digital Media submitted by Author, provided that the foregoing provision shall not be construed as requiring any review or similar process to be conducted by Publisher. Publisher may reject Digital Media submitted by Author for any reason, including but not limited to quality or appropriateness issues, or for no reason.

So:
a) "Author hereby grants Publisher worldwide rights to license the Digital Media to third parties as part of tailor-made business licenses"
This means you give them them the right to create a new type of "licensing" (i.e., sales model) called "tailor-made business licenses".
b) "which may offer additional uses, expansion of rights or less restrictions,"
Incredibly broad/open ended, which means - we can do whatever we feel like with the asset (photogrpah/video/etc).
c) "the right to use the Digital Media without synchronization or as stand-alone file". In other words - they could "license" another business to resell your asset - esp. because the previous clause is so vague/broad.
d) "to include the Digital Media in any kind of collections". They could create "motionarray-2.0.com", "sell" it to themselves, then not have to pay you anything.
e) "grant third parties the right to sublicense the Digital Media to their users, clients or anyone on their behalf, and any other license, method, format or media the Publisher may decide..."
Basically says YOU are giving them permission to do whatever they 'f' they feel like with your stuff - and can give ANY kind of license (i.e., reselling rights, integration into other products rights, and technically "ownership" because it is so broad and open ended...

In other words - it sucks. Reject it, and get others to do the same.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Etsy better than AI?
« on: June 21, 2024, 07:26 »
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Never heard of those sorts of licenses ....?

Internet Marketer's ("IM'ers")...

Basically - they try and make anything and everything resellable with the promise of 'big riches' if you purchase their wares and resell it... Maybe for some items it works... but internet marketing is an entirely different thing.

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Well...

a) I'd persist. Specify which clause(s) you have particular issues with, and how you'd like them modified. As well - push for an 'opt-out' option.
b) Perhaps contact some other vendors via the messaging thing - see how they feel, and specify specific actions they can take. Power in numbers.

Very evil what they are trying to do, and how they go about doing it.

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a) Lol - the headline is very clickbaity. No "bad" to "worse", lol.
b) Looking @ the bigger picture - many times (not saying it is necessarily the case here, I don't know the full specifics) - but organizations like the FTCare weaponized against certain companies. So look @ the companies who are 'attacking' adobe - those are the real culprits.
c) Don't know the specifics of whether cancellation is/was difficult - I do know (smaller) companies to resort to tactics like that - not sure about Adobe's case. It would seem unusual simply because bigger/larger companies tend to be under more scrutiny. If they did - then yes, they should make it easier. If it was isolated incidents - then rectify those.
d) Not "all" the fault is of the company if indeed certain things were buried in the fine print. People actually SHOULD read license agreements - but most don't. And then those that do - many don't challenge it - just 'giving up'. So part of the onus is on the individuals who didn't actually read the fine print if it actually says that.

Anyways, sounds like something the company will need to deal with/handle. That's (unfortunately) part of business.

As an FYI - I don't particularly care for the 'subscription' model - but - it is more profitable model on many different counts - so I understand why Adobe, as well as other companies like Amazon, Bloomberg, Midjourney, all do the same...

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1. Yes, it was this year - here's the "good news" from Adobe - I guess January 24th/2024
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/01/24/adobe-stock-now-offers-4kvideo-hd-prices-every-subscription

Looking back a few years ago - it was nice getting a $60 or say $80 video sale. But that does not seem to happen as often any more, as most of the videos are now subscriptions - and are (as low as it seems) $2.80/clip - either 4k or HD.

2. Re: Pond5 - yes, not quite sure how things are calculated there. Several years ago - if I priced my clip at "x" $, it stayed at "x" $. But now it is all over the map, doesn't quite make sense. Sometimes I do get 'larger' sales, but it depends. Weird/strange thing is this year (so far) was much lower than I expected (looking @ historical sales numbers). Not sure if somehow when I uploaded a new batch of videos that affected things - but - just seemed the timing was the same. I expected more sales with a large batch upload that I had been doing, and instead - seemed to drop significantly so wasn't too happy about that. Some sales though (after about 7-8 months) now seem to be coming back, which is good.

3. For CGI - yes - I think most of it would be unique. CGI/Rendering is not 'as easy' to do as some people think, plus you can get some cool special FX with things like Blender3D, etc. The "ai" stuff is still based off of theft (you lol get 'watermarks'), and in general - seems to be a combination of simple effects (i.e., blurring) - with some basic 3D projection mapping + the 'blending'. In other words - hit or miss whether you get a 'decent' looking "ai" video.

4. If you enjoy doing CGI - I'd say continue to do it. But figure out how to become more efficient/effective at producing clips, because yes - it doesn't seem that there is as strong a (stock footage) financial incentive to do so any more.

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I crunched some numbers a few times a while back, and this is what I found...

a) If you have an option to 'upsell' from HD to 4k (i.e., two different prices), then yes, many times customers will choose the 4k option meaning more $$$
b) If there are two nearly identical clips from different producers, but one has 4K, then yes, it seems more often customers will choose the 4K option

That being said...
a) If you sell a lot via Adobe, Adobe changed video licensing so 4K is the SAME revenue as HD. I believe this is a bit short sighted - because it is a bit of a 'race to the bottom' mentality - however, that's what they did. So you don't make any extra $$ for 4K than you would for HD, other than if you have a nearly identical HD clip to say a competitor that has a 4K clip, and the client is presented with both, a % will probably choose the 4K option (meaning the competitor gets that revenue)
b) Unlimited download sites don't differentiate (i.e., storyblocks, motionarray, etc, etc). So no real incentive here either, other than from time to time some clients will want a 4K version if the clip is nearly identical (meaning a competitor gets the 'sale').
c) Only sites where you can have different pricing in individual clip sales would I say there is any real addtional bonus value (in terms of revenue to the producer).

So right now...

While by default I record (with a camera/etc) in 4K (no big deal to push a button between 4K/HD)... If I am manually producing a clip (i.e., CGI), then I opt for the HD version, because there is no real (easily measurable) major benefit to have my computer system work 4x as hard to do 4K CGI/3D/etc... because those computer generated/processed/etc videos are unique, so if the client wants it, the client wants it.

In terms of 'working' with 4K clips - I agree with you - HD is much easier to work with, and personally I've never really found too much benefit to 4K unless I needed some extra high quality/zooming/cropping/etc abilities. Also - for some sites (i.e., motionarray) - I found the clip sizes WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to big (ridiculously big in some cases) - where a 15 second clip was like 1 GIGABYTE - making it almost useless. (Because I would have to downsample the clip to be able to work with it effectively). I definitely preferred storyblocks where I could get 2-10MB HD clips to edit with.

So bottom line, I'd say:

a) If you can record in 4K vs HD, and it is no real extra effort to you to process the videos - go for it. I would say there is 'marginal' benefit for you in terms of sales, in that if you have a nearly identical clip to a competitor - a % will opt for the 4K version meaning some x-tra revenue for you.
b) HOWEVER... if you are doing say computer generated stuff (CGI/3D/etc), or extra post-processing to your clips - then there (right now) is no real point to spending all those xtra computing resources to produce 4K content - unless you can find a marketplace that sells 4K clips well for you.



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I think people just like 'having' 4K if they can have it - not that they 'need' it.

It seems there are only small specific settings in which to use 4k too - in that some 4K content may be more 'desirable' than HD for particular applications (i.e., say a company 'buying' a 4K video to demo their 4K televisions in a store setting.

So if all you have is HD, but it is good - then yes, that would most likely still be purchased.

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You cannot opt-out. It's accepting it or leaving them.

You actually "can" opt-out. You don't "have" to blindly accept whatever they offer. You can refuse, re-negotiate, walk away, etc.

Yes, they are using that 'threat', which is very evil/wrong - so contact them and let them know. And be prepared to walk away if you have to, because it is a very poor "deal".

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It's time to make a change! Join Envato and MA artists in our Collaborative Marketplace on Discord.

https://discord.com/channels/1244588515862380628/1245435620302520330/1248342956625104989

Do you have a different link that works? Thanks!

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messed up irony is - what if it is a "stolen" portfolio doing a "copyright claim" against your stuff?

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Odd, motion array has a "forced opt-in" (sort of). You may want to explicitly contact them and opt-out. The basically pop up a message box saying "Oh yeah, we may give away your stuff", here is the new part of the license:

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"In addition to the rights stated above, Author hereby grants Publisher worldwide rights to license the Digital Media to third parties as part of tailor-made business licenses which may offer additional uses, expansion of rights or less restrictions, including, but not limited to, the right to use the Digital Media without synchronization or as stand-alone file, to include the Digital Media in any kind of collections, to grant third parties the right to sublicense the Digital Media to their users, clients or anyone on their behalf, and any other license, method, format or media the Publisher may decide (Business License).

So basically , they are saying they will unilaterally decide if they will give other companies the right to sell your stuff without your permission - and of course - give absolutely no indication what % of the sale you would get. So - they could say sell your asset for $500, and say "oh good news! you made $1 extra!"...

You should opt-out if you are with them.

The have been trying to "buy" people's assets on the super cheap, and this is a deceptive/underhanded different way of essentially acting as an agent to treat the assets as if it was their own (which of course, it is not).

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Are you a stock video producer yourself? If not - I'd suggest signing up for 6-7 different agencies, upload some clips yourself, to get a 'feel' for what is lacking and/or how easy/hard it is.

I'd say for most it really comes down to this:

a) Most people want to do very little, if any, work.
b) And they want to have HUGE MASSIVE PROFITS FOREVER AND EVER.

So if you can do that - cool.

While I haven't specifically taken a look at your site:

a) Make it super easy to upload & automatically categorize everything. People like EEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSY.

b) Have some basic theft deterrent things (otherwise you'll get east indians, etc stealing complete portfolios and uploading as their own). They already do that on the 'big' agencies - but the big agencies kind of don't really care. (Educated guess it is because they get money 2x over - 1st, for the (stolen) content - then 2nd - they get to keep "ALL" the profit when they 'take down' stolen content (they don't give it to the original contributor even though they should). But many producers find it extremely annoying when their portfolio is stolen. So put in some basic anti-theft stuff. Easy to do (none of the stupid "id verify" crap, that has nothing to do with safety/security - and much more to do with a small group of pyschopaths trying to control everything) - do it intelligently on the server end via programming when uploads take place. Super easy to do - and none of the 'id verify' crap (again, totally wrong, and totally unnecessary).

c) Then - of course - sales. Your MAIN "feature" should be focusing on how to drive MASSIVE MASSIVE sales. Producers/contributors really don't care too much else other than this. They don't care if you let them chose a pink or blue background, whether you let them upload an avatar, whether your font size is 12pt or 20pt. They care about MONEYYYYYYY AKA SALES. If you can make them lots and lots of MONEY, very easily without having to do a lot of work uploading/categorizing/etc - then they will be VERY VERY HAPPY.

That though, in a way, is a little bit of tricky part. It CAN be done - but requires a bit of work/focus/etc. Since you wish to act as a bit of an aggregate - much easier for you to do.

Funny thing is though - IF you start actually seeing the sales - you will actually (most likely) find you need to implement some type of moderation (which makes me suspect you aren't actually a producer, and rather a coder looking for an opportunity).

Simply because - you'll get morons that start uploading pornographic content, pure crap (like just absolute disgusting filth), spamming crap (i.e., 5000 videos of chickens), etc, etc... So you will actually need to do that, whether you do it now, or later. Unless - of course - your business plan is slightly different and you don't care about that - which - "could" work - but - it's a different business plan. So most likely you'll need to have some type of moderation. So you really shouldn't make that promise - because that is not really what contributors care about.

I'll re-iterate.

They care about:

a) SUPER EASY uploading with VERY LITTLE WORK categorizing/etc
b) Making sure easy indians + other cultures who like to steal & resell other people's works don't do that (quite simple to implement, and not with the stupid id verify thing. Just verify uploads, you are a coder, you know its simple to do).
c) And then MAKE MONEY! LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY! Figure out an effective marketing plan. Then ppl will be very interested.

That's what you do.


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Adobe Stock / Re: What's going on!
« on: June 10, 2024, 17:01 »
lol, based on some of the other ppl saying "OMFG! I HAD THE BEST SALES EVER!" I think you can guess where maybe 'some' of the sales went :P

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123RF / Re: Has 123 disappeared?
« on: June 09, 2024, 13:29 »
123RF is dead. It's a zombie at this point. I'm earning about 1.5% of what I used to earn 4 years ago.

Since the recent Google algorithm update in September 2023, 123RF has lost 70% of their traffic.

https://x.com/lilyraynyc/status/1786459214484787509

Look at the right column and you will see it on the list. They're never going to recover, so it's time to give up on this website.

Interesting - what specific agenda is she referring to those sites having lost so much traffic? (I'm sure there probably is one - google is known to steal other people's ideas and call them "new search features")...

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Several "problems" though is that many contributors (that affects other good contributors) are:

(a) they undervalue their work
(b) with the allure of "quick riches" are willing to undercut other people (doesn't mean they'll necessarily get it)

If contributors said 'screw that' and didn't participate in that kind of thing,

(a) you wouldn't have 'unlimited' download sites, subscription sites, severely low commission sites, etc, etc because there would be no (supplier) market for them
(b) as a contributor, you'd make more $$$ for less work.

But part of the "problem" is indeed contributors willing to do that kind of thing. Now - of course - it's not "just" you - many others already did it.

It's one way to sell your wares. Up to you obviously. You may make some extra cash in the short term, but probably not a good long term strategy if you value your work.

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