RPD makes me feel better. I agree it doesn't mean much. however, I do sell different stuff there. my port is largest at DT (despite the irony of the similars policy, they accept lots) and quite varied.

^ perfect. much faster than asking iStock (and then analysing the response for truth Vs spin)

That's a good point. I've re-edited a few files recently from 2-3 years ago and found that I do a MUCH better job now. The idea of not being able to tweak existing edits still worries me, but perhaps it's unlikely to ever actually come up (at a time after I've given up the subscription). Still undecided, though.

you should trust your instincts - you'll not want to go over the old edits, and your new self will want to start from scratch.

well I just sold an XL file and earned myself 27c, let's break out the champagne!

how much longer will we all take this? I hardly upload to FT anymore, but it hurts to see niche shots selling so cheaply.

has anyone had and FB related sales yet?

Nope, that doesn't work if you want to go back and tweak your edits later. Unless you save a layered tif, which is much larger than a .psd (and may still be missing some of the edit info).

often though, if you go back, say a year later, your style and way of doing things has changed enough to warrant starting the edit from scratch.

Stocksy has become my #2 or #3 agency very quickly. I've slowed down uploading to the others as most of my lifestyle stuff works well for Stocksy.  I've got just over a 100 files on Stocksy, compared to 400-500 on the others.  There is an almost family-like atmosphere over there, and I've even emailed a few members and given them keywords they've missed off their files, and I've had a member email me and point out an error in my description. That's pretty scary stuff to do but it's what friends do for each other, right? That's how it feels over there.

Adobe is messing with our heads with their confusing names. So they include Photoshop in the name of LR, just to confuse buyers? (or trick them?) You don't buy a "BMW 318 X6" Nobody cares users don't care what engine you built your software on, nor how it all works under the hood.  No one else here would think they are using ACR when they are in LR, cos they don't know what's under the hood like you do.
When you go into Develop Module are you hitting a button that says "ACR" actually it appears to be just known as "Camera Raw"? How would a user know this?   

The point is that ACR is not (to be considered as) an application.

why not? are you going to tell me Bridge isn't an app? I launch ACR from Bridge, NOT from photoshop, even though you keep saying ACR is PS, even though if you open PS how do you get to ACR? oh right, through Bridge.....  This is just more confusing naming by Adobe, hiding ACR in Bridge, but they must have their reasons. *probably selling a program called LR - sorry, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, is the reason*

I get where your head is at with all of this, but you've got your head under the bonnet. From a users point of view you can either use Bridge/ACR and then Photoshop or LR and then Photoshop.

does it still include Bridge/ACR?

I'm def interested as I'm on CS5 and for an annual fee of $120 this is a great deal to get PS, ACR and LR.  I'm looking for the catch, but we're all going to be forced into CC at some point so we should take this olive branch now, right?

wow, as usual even the Adobe guys downplay the similarities.  Because, they want to sell you Lightroom rather than have you use their freebie

in LR you can *amazingly* choose what to import.. wow! except, yep, same in Bridge, but he didn't click on the "advanced" tab to show that option, which I use all the time, plus the fact you can create templates to apply metadata to your imports. although apparently "these are things LR excels at" even though you can do this in Bridge.

If you use LR you have to import images somehow, he didn't cover that.  that's an extra step in your glorious LR workflow that we'll gloss over, and then you have to import them into LR? so you import it via a card reader? and then into LR? seriously?

Yes, the preview viewing of the presets is a real difference. phew! glad I found something genuine.

I'm not sure about the "print" function... is this for printing on your home printer? (are we talking about photographers? or home amateurs? i'm confused, because this guy says "this is where LR shines"..... in enabling you to print your pics from home?? wowser! it looks like the same feature iPhoto has)

if you want to put pics on a page to print at home (for whatever reason) I would use the output pdf feature and it's easy to put them on a page, with labels, watermarks, etc. Plus my stupid canon printer is happier with a pdf. I rarely print at home, unless it's last minute stuff for one of my kid's school assignments.

it's the comments like "and if I haven't convinced you by now" that really, really annoy me. cos actually, I haven't seen anything other than fluff.

the Collections things was cool, but I could just create a folder and put in my favourites bar... same result.  then he created virtual copies which I can do via "duplicate". "a lot of this can be done in Bridge but nowhere near the ease..." I didn't see much difference. I could create a duplicate, go into ACR which is "Develop" and then hit one of my presets.... yet he didn't show you how to do this in Bridge.

ah, I love that now they are pushing the "use both" concept, now that CC is their agenda. good one Adobe.

Interesting input Gillian. Now I'm tempted to spend some time trying out ACR & Bridge again just too see.

I see that VSCO presets are also available for ACR.

I think only the latest version of ACR though, I was looking the other day and there weren't any for my version (I'm using CS5). In the end I got some VSCO-esque PS actions. I'd love to see if the VSCO presets work as well in just ACR. usually I like to brush the effect off the skin.

your "these days" comment is also weird,  I learnt ACR in 2010 on CS4 and there were presets then.

Quote from: gillian on August 31, 2013, 16:26

Quote from: bhr on August 31, 2013, 15:20

Lightroom presets offer a significant advantage vs Photoshop CS.

the OP didn't ask for the difference between LR and PS.

In a way he did. Because it all intertwined.

you can use just ACR if you want to. ACR and Bridge are intertwined. I open Br just like you open Lr, make my edits and either save directly from ACR or I continue into PS for further editing.