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Pond5 rather uniquely are offering the contributor the choice to carry on with your race to the bottom or you can race to the top.  Trouble is contributors need to act together if they want to race to the top, but don't trust each other enough to make that choice possible.  Consequently, Pond5 are left in no mans land, unable to join other agencies in the race to the bottom and priced out of the market by their own contributors.
There have been many calls for contributors to get together to give some kind of strength in numbers, you don't need it, just throw all your media at Pond5 exclusive and treble your prices, that would turn the market upside down in an instant and create a race to the top.

Ready, steady, Go!

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Yada,yada,Yada...perfect name, like who cares..... must have been a bad critique.And I do have More experience than you will EVER have with that closed,Twisted,VILE Mind. Back to ignore. Do you ever have anything constructive to say or just follow me and others around... I helped more Folks with Talent in 24 Hours than you ever have or will....EVER. PERIOD. your post is reported.Your a real piece of work man. Or Miss Yada whatever BS......

Classic anonymous name.My Name is Laurin Rinder. Google My name, then google yours. IDIOT!!!!! I did more with my life By the time I was 18 than you ever will.Have I and do I promote Myself? hell yes and those who don't are gonna fail in the Long run. so, Stay negative man, Whatever you do. I'll take the High road. I won't read your answer or your Rant, I see a crack in a door, I don't wonder whats on the other side,,,,I just knock the * thing down.
I have a copy Of all 55.650 Posts I did On SS and Im working On a book.Theres no place on MSG for me anymore with people filled with anger  Like you and a few others and some that are long gone..

We used to discuss. long time ago I guess. Goodbye everyone. I'll go private. much better and cleaner. No Psycho zone.I get enough people telling me everyday what was said anyway.Note to anyone....pls...no more I don't care. Some great Ones here. are gone.newbs without a clue what this is supposed to be Just Like Stock forums . and some great Old timers also that say it like it is. Thanks .

Bye, Bye. Gee maybe I'll come back as anonymous and get away with hate.... Naw. I gotta make money. Hate don't pay well. Hope you guys figure out this controlled revenue thing.I have enough folks to talk about this privately.
Thanks Yada for killing a possible meaningful Discussion that required experience.

Homie don't Play this game.

This is not about you, or your reviews, not about you as a drummer when you were very young and I'm sure that was a brave move to go out and do that. The questions are about here and now and microstock. Not 50,000 messages on SS, but the business and microstock now.

You make up anything, like 30 important friends, to impress us, but they don't exist. Tell us why you left istock? You call it leaving and say we should follow, but the truth is you got kicked out and account closed. Why was that? Inquiring minds would like the truth.

Asking for the truth is not a personal attack, you take it that way and come back attacking. Then you block and will leave the forum, like you have so many times before. You've left the SS forums forever at least four times, maybe five. When you get caught, you make up a bigger new version and leave.

If you have proof of controlled revenue, which is the question, show us. I have friends too and some see a big drop, some see flat earnings, some are still uploading and working and making more money. Seems here that a couple of people who never made much, are complaining for eight years, now they say it's controlled income. Someone who only get 3-5 downloads a day, isn't going to see much variation are they.

Tell us what your 30 friends have found, some details, numbers, facts.

And maybe leave off the rant, personal attacks and bragging. Lets talk about microstock and the controlled revenue claims.


Haha! you know there are about two non public large stock-photography forums where only full-time photographers, professionals and also ex-employees and present employees in various Micro-agencies being photographers.
If you were allowed membership in these and spent a day there reading about certain agencies you would probably give up micro photography within 5 minutes, you would hear and read from the horses mouth what is going on and the tricks the agencies are getting up to. An insight very unpleasant actually.

but you are sworn not to repeat these truths you read so you come here spreading crap instead.

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Maybe in a parallel universe  8)

Which of course we are, all eventualities are possible, I have proof, Trump got elected President of the USA and I still don't understand how that is possible, even for a man like Putin.

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You say "By chance other agencies are crushing well during this rough moment.", could it be that other agencies are taking market share from Shutterstock and that could account for some of the drop, you can only sell it once to the same buyer.

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Hypothetical:  There's a new agency and it looks very professional, they have a lot of great images and videos, they have a decent advertising budget and the CEO is willing to listen to Contributors before anyone else.


I feel I'm being primed, you say you are "willing to listen to Contributors before anyone else.", but you have the money, the team and a launch date.  What bull, who havn't you listened to before coming here?

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My comment is about how far this industry has gone backwards. Not about my goals or what our team is achieving, much less the pat on your own back self-affirming your own apparent giddying success.

It is really about someone asking if it's possible to make $100 a month from SS. It's sad - and pretty pathetic that this is where the industry has finds itself.

No, your comment was insulting to the OP, which you've just doubled down on by adding sad to the list... so I just thought I'd give you a taste of your own medicine.

It was about the industry. That's why it reads "one and can scarcely believe that this is what stock has come to" and then re-affirmed with "My comment is about how far this industry has gone backwards".

So whatever you are doubling down on and taking offence about, on behalf of someone else who has not expressed offence themselves, simply doesn't exist.

Those who were here at that start of all of this will remember how a bunch of amateurs with no hope of contributing to the existing agencies of the day upped their respective games together. At first, our work was laughed at and ridiculed in online forums by the stock production "pros". But collectively we disrupted an entire industry and brought down giants.

That's why it's pathetic and sad that this is what stock has come to - because nobody is benefiting from those early creative efforts if a portfolio of new images cannot make a reasonable return.

Did those bunch of amateurs with no hope of contributing to the existing agencies of the day hope one day to create an industry of equality where a portfolio of new images can make a reasonable return.  When they started there was a level playing field where everyone had a chance, now Shutterstock is stratified, which greatly favours the high earners and excludes new contributors just like the old existing agencies did.
Interesting....many on here believe the opposite ;-).

That may still be the case, just depends which part of the strata you are on.

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My comment is about how far this industry has gone backwards. Not about my goals or what our team is achieving, much less the pat on your own back self-affirming your own apparent giddying success.

It is really about someone asking if it's possible to make $100 a month from SS. It's sad - and pretty pathetic that this is where the industry has finds itself.

No, your comment was insulting to the OP, which you've just doubled down on by adding sad to the list... so I just thought I'd give you a taste of your own medicine.

It was about the industry. That's why it reads "one and can scarcely believe that this is what stock has come to" and then re-affirmed with "My comment is about how far this industry has gone backwards".

So whatever you are doubling down on and taking offence about, on behalf of someone else who has not expressed offence themselves, simply doesn't exist.

Those who were here at that start of all of this will remember how a bunch of amateurs with no hope of contributing to the existing agencies of the day upped their respective games together. At first, our work was laughed at and ridiculed in online forums by the stock production "pros". But collectively we disrupted an entire industry and brought down giants.

That's why it's pathetic and sad that this is what stock has come to - because nobody is benefiting from those early creative efforts if a portfolio of new images cannot make a reasonable return.

Did those bunch of amateurs with no hope of contributing to the existing agencies of the day hope one day to create an industry of equality where a portfolio of new images can make a reasonable return.  When they started there was a level playing field where everyone had a chance, now Shutterstock is stratified, which greatly favours the high earners and excludes new contributors just like the old existing agencies did.

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Off Topic / Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
« on: July 20, 2018, 07:13 »
Crybaby losers (snowflakes) thread.  ;D

You can do better than that, put forward your most convincing argument as to why Trumps foreign policy towards East West relations is one we should all get behind.  All I can see at the moment is that he is Putin's puppet or the head of his fan club.

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Yes, so the conclusion is: Beware!! Or just hack into their system and check if the transaction was not a fraud. The worst thing is that i cannot really prove that they did not send an email about this. i did not get any email from them, but i cannot prove it.

This is sad. I cannot see how can agencies like this still exist, after so many years.

Take you mind back to before this sorry incident, now you see.

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Hello,

I have seen many people selling images of places (Louvre Museum, Eiffel Tower night shots etc.) as posters, framed prints so on, while they can only be sold under editorial license at stock photo agencies.

Can someone clarify if it is ok to sell those images as products at POD sites?

You can upload anything to POD sites given that you agree to their Terms and Conditions, which state that you will only upload images that you own the Intellectual Property Rights to.  In other words they have passed the buck as far as infringement is concerned. Stock agencies indemnify the images at a cost to them to give their buyers confidence in their product, although under their Terms and Conditions they may expect to get some of that back from the contributor, they pass the buck, but the buyer is covered.

POD sites often remove images when it is claimed that Intellectual Property Rights have been abused e.g. Fender, Olympics and FIFA have all asked PODs to remove items with anything slightly related to their branding on them.  Seems the PODS think that they can only be sued if the images remain on site after a Cease and Desist request.   Stock agencies are more proactive in rejecting and removing offending images due to the indemnity offered to their buyers.

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Off Topic / Re: Trump in Putin's pocket
« on: July 16, 2018, 13:27 »
People who get their reality from Fox are being led down a very strange path indeed.

I take it Trump is one of those people.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: July 12, 2018, 11:04 »
If I do a search for Germany, the first image that comes up is the Holocaust  memorial in Berlin which is a protected under art/copyright and cannot be sold as RF.

Looks like their editors need some training.

Why would they have editors they are not an agency offering thousands of dollars worth of indemnity to buyers, they are just transaction facilitators, that's just one of the sellers problems.
Though pictures are available under the "Wemark Royalty Free licence" what that actually says I can't find and am not planning to buy any of their magic beans to find out.

As you are the seller not a contributor the details should be in the Terms and Conditions you agreed to when you signed up.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: July 10, 2018, 17:30 »
If I do a search for Germany, the first image that comes up is the Holocaust  memorial in Berlin which is a protected under art/copyright and cannot be sold as RF.

Looks like their editors need some training.

Why would they have editors they are not an agency offering thousands of dollars worth of indemnity to buyers, they are just transaction facilitators, that's just one of the sellers problems.

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Canva / Re: Canva
« on: May 30, 2018, 17:34 »
EDIT: I've just checked another of my images that was selected for inclusion on a Canva Layout. That image has been sold 17 in the last week, via a link from the layout, even though the image is apparently not available.
It's odd to me that a popular image, that was selected by a Canva staff member to include in one of their designs, suddenly is deemed to be no longer worth including in the collection.
That's not just odd - it's positively suspicious, at best.  >:(

Maybe there are legal reasons to take it down? It would just be nice to have an explanation.

No, scrap that thought. I just checked the database, and there are plenty available from the same location, and some of mine from the same series.

It's normal practice at Canva, I take it you haven't read the whole thread, it's all happened before.

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Canva / Re: Canva
« on: May 30, 2018, 14:44 »
So Canva removed 80% of my approved images and now they'll get tons of similar "unwanted" images through IS.
BAD BAD NEWS!

What? Can you elaborate what happened? How they just remove your images? This is scary.

Few years ago they decided to remove a lot of previously approved images, because they don't need them anymore! Even images with a lot of sales have been deleted! It was not just me, many contributors complained about it here on MSG.

I just noticed, that some of my images (that sold quite well) were removed. The funniest thing, that I keep getting sales for an image that is not available anymore...

This teaming up with getty is very disappointing indeed :( .

I have the same issue of sales on an image that is no longer available for sale.

I emailed to ask how this was happening a few weeks back, but haven't received any kind of response.

Retrospective rejections have been a long standing practice at Canva, and when they start they might not stop until you have none left. They still have the right to sell these images usually someone had made a template with them and purchases at a later date, it could be much later as they have the right to sell them indefinitely.

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When I have problems communicating with companies like that I slag them off on all their social media accounts until something happens. Works  about 80% of the time.

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$199, $449 and $1699 for 2, 5 and 25, respectively.
Thanks for the help, that's great.
May I ask if you see the same numbers (price) in GBP as the ones shown by Niktol in $ ?

I see the same amount in , that is strange.

I see in GBP
2 Images125
5 Images285
25 Images1,099

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A lot of the banks are using this https://ripple.com/xrp/

It doesn't say which banks exactly and how much they use it. Do you have any link to press release from actual bank? Or it mentioned on any bank website?

BTW. This page is actually wordpress blog. This doesn't look very serious to me.

This article from January 9 tells you how many banks are using xrp, none.
https://hackernoon.com/4-alarming-reasons-ripple-might-not-be-what-you-think-9debc3c86985

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: May 02, 2018, 13:48 »

I think you are misunderstanding their need for a cyrtocurrencies and how it may work.  They need to use one to record the blockchain transaction. They need to have their own, as opposed to others on the market, so they can control it in their own stable environment.  Therefore, they can use it as a token or credit without any fluctuations in the price.

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'm afraid your explanation didn't really clarify things :-(

Sorry, a bit abstract for you, I will try and cut out the shorthand and add a few words to make it more understandable.
Volatillty of their crytocurrency is not an issue.
These enterprises sprouting up all over the place using blockchain technology are after information, the sellers and the buyers and the transaction that occurs between them, if they were agencies that information flow would breakdown and be useless.  Unfortunately, for these enterprises to get that information they currently have to use crytocurrencies to record the transaction within the blockchain, which is not popular with sellers or buyers, but unavoidable it they are to gather the information they need.  The transaction could be done using any crytocurrency, but  using their own crytocurrency allows them to keep the transaction/information within their grasp.  Volatility of the currency is not an issue as the transaction is almost instant and as the crytocurrency, remains within their own little ecosystem, for now at least, there is no reason for the price to change.  Both buyer and seller get hit with a transaction fee, albeit a small one, it is an extra one.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: May 02, 2018, 06:44 »
The universally unknown WMK is not easily converted and the need to trade in Crypto is just one more obstacle to getting your $$$. 80% of ICO are scams. I won't put a pixel into anything that is not tried, true, and tested.

They offer crypto currencies to pay.
if you don't like this don't apply, where is the problem?
It's not an obstacle it's a choice.... Crypto currencies can be changed in usd or euro or whatever you want.
Every month I change my earnings I euros, so?
They are not an agency and change different coins is not their job, exactly what all (majority) of agencies do, paying in dollars. After all is up to you to change, or not?
So this is really not the point.

Cryptocurrencies are very volatile. One day you might get $8000 for your bitcoin, the next day $10k, the day after that $7.5k.

Similarly finance managers won't be sure how much the picture is going to cost in dollars (or whatever their company's accounts are in).

So it will be an issue until cryptocurrencies settle down.

I think you are misunderstanding their need for a cyrtocurrencies and how it may work.  They need to use one to record the blockchain transaction. They need to have their own, as opposed to others on the market, so they can control it in their own stable environment.  Therefore, they can use it as a token or credit without any fluctuations in the price.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: May 01, 2018, 16:56 »
Page looks ok. 85% is fair. If that gives signs of real life, I'll be soon there with my best content. Bad content will be left for the ones who sell and pay my work as i it was worthless.

Can you point me to their Terms and Conditions?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: April 30, 2018, 16:25 »
Getty are said to have a deal with Totem, so that will make it sooner.
https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/baidu-totem-starts-a-blockchain-digital-images-rights-protection-platform/

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: April 29, 2018, 03:32 »
Why, what are they giving away?

100% commissions on any sale for up to 500 photos uploaded before May 1

Sounds a lot 100%, too good to be true?  Yes, the normal rate is 85% so you get given 15% on your first 500.  If you upload 5,000 photos that's a whole 15% of 10% and given that half your images wont sell, if any do, the enticement is 7.5%of 10% in this situation, much of which will be canabalised from other sources you sell from.  I think they need to increase that to at least 5,000 if they want to get anywhere near the inventory they need to compete.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wemark hows it going
« on: April 28, 2018, 19:08 »
Looks like a decent incentive to upload early.

Why, what are they giving away?

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Seems to me that these platforms have no interest in selling images, they have left the pricing and marketing up to us, their money comes from infringement technology and selling coins/tokens.  One of the main reasons buyers use stock sites is indemnity, they buy trust, where is that going to come from on a peer to peer site?

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