I like sharing stats. helps to deal with frustrations if I am not the only one going down.  And it is valuable for people who are new or for people like me who are coming back to stock to get an idea if it is even possible to get back into a near full time income position.

Not interested in stats, just ignore the thread.

All is good.

Sharing unreliable, personal stats, with others, does nothing. Correct, you aren't the only one going down or up, but weekly position, that isn't based on Downloads, while we all have different collections of images, different types, styles and formats, what value is there in that.

The stats that Adobe provides as Position are inconsistent. If you are basing your sharing of success or failure on that, the whole basis for determining any of that, is flawed to start with. So my point is, no, the stats and the value are worthless and a waste of time. Especially when it's the weekly numbers.

If you asked once a year in January for annual? Maybe? 

Has anyone noticed that the output of your works in Google without logging into an account is one thing, and when you log into an account, it is different. That is, when you click on the "photos" or "illustrations" tab in your account, you see all your works. But when you find your work through Google and do the same procedure, you see that some works are not displayed.

No I haven't seen this. I just did a search, not logged in, different browser and everything is there and the same when I looked at my account viewed as someone who was looking at it, or logged in as myself. All numbers and details are identical.

Reached 5 months now.

I have re-submitted these stuck images after 4 months of waiting and the resubmitted images also havenj't been reviewed after a month, so that's not solving the problem.
 Don't think these will ever be reviewed. And there isn't even anything tricky about these images that are stuck. One of them for example is a nature shot, so there is not content that could be copyrighted or any other problem that could explain why it's - or any of the mages from thet series - not getting reviewed.

I'll race you! 5 months, 2 months and 6 days are my current sets. Will I make it to 6 months? And keep in mind that Mat was kind enough to forward my question to higher up, to see what the image is stuck, weeks ago. I should have said nothing and I could hold the record when it reaches a year? 

If they get refused because of "Quality" I might start buying into the conspiracy that, they just ignore the uploads, then, now and then, refuse everything for quality to remove the backlog. 

I can't blame the AI people for trying to make images, while the style is hot and "the next big thing" that people pile on and chase. Some day, there will be too much AI, too many similar and they will start to be rejected or the value will drop. At that point, reviews might return to more reasonable times.

Tyler has moved on to a new business that pays the bills and has a future. Be honest folks this business had dried up for the masses. Sure a few are making some money but can they live on their earnings? In most places in the US you need to make $72,000 (USD) a year. Few make that kind of money in this business. Besides this site tends to be very negative in nature. You really don't get much help here ---I understand the high rollers don't want to give away their secrets just like good fishermen. So when this site is sun-setted really nothing has been lost...

When the forum is no longer profitable to operate, Leaf will take it down.



Most of the "Secrets of Microstock" are BS and personal opinion, they are unreliable much of the time, and imaginary. The truth is, all that's necessary is, make a good product, better than others, that buyers want and need. Follow style trends, designers, colors, and current fashion. Oh there I go again, telling the Top Secrets. LOL

Yes, you're right, the site has gone negative, off topic, there's very little discussion of the actual business or markets. People should be competing but also recognize they are associates and competition, but share a common interest and can benefit from sharing factual information. Why should someone come to a forum to say, I know the secrets, but I'm not here to tell anyone or share. Why come to the forum at all?

Microstock is mostly dead. Yeah, some people still work and make a living, most people don't, didn't and won't ever. Stop viewing this as a legitimate business opportunity with any growth potential or future. The prime time and boom is over. We're just watching the rotting carcass of what once was.

But in agreement, when Leaf finds it's costing him money to run this forum, he will understandable pull the plug. This forum is not a free charity, it's a business. If anyone has been coming here, feels like they have some entitlement to free use of a public forum, they haven't realized that referrals and ads, pay for our being able to enjoy the site.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 14, 2024, 13:59

...I don't know why someone can't post a link and make it easy for everyone else to read the actual complete and correct information.

Because Getty's forum rules say that's against the rules. Can't find it now but I'm almost certain in the past they said that links to the forum were a no-no under that rule.

 "Please note: All information posted on the Contributor Website, including forum discussions, is confidential and may not be disclosed without Getty Images' prior written consent. Let's preserve our ability to have an open dialogue."

Yes, but a link to the forum, is not re-posting information. Someone still has to be a member and login, to read the forum.

Quote from: zeljkok on August 03, 2024, 17:34

Same here, and it's been for awhile.   This is what happens when you frequently change interface - bugs creep in.

what's worse is when they make a change and don't do regression testing or beta testing before releasing it into the wild . Wirestock was one of the worst offenders here - seemed like every new feature created 2+ new bugs, which they mostly refused to admit existed.  i stopped submitting to them more than a year ago, so things may have changed

I don't know about WS, because I won't pay up front for bland descriptive, non-specific keywords. But, SS with the latest system changes has ruined the site once again. Try looking at the new catalog manager, which sometimes doesn't load, and when it does, sometimes has no images, and if you click use legacy, it takes you to a half assed broken page, with blank space beneath it.

https://submit.shutterstock.com/catalog_manager

All it would take would have been a couple of people testing, before they activated the new site?

The image sets come and go. Which reminds me, I should make a catalog of those, in case I ever want to use one of them again.

Quote from: synthetick on August 13, 2024, 07:12

iStock now allows Generative AI retouching, see their forum and contributor portal for guidelines.

With a great number of restrictions

Correct you are:  https://contributors.gettyimages.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16335#post199865

I don't know why someone can't post a link and make it easy for everyone else to read the actual complete and correct information.

Quote from: SuperPhoto on August 11, 2024, 21:10

(I'm not going to qoute that rubbish)

This isn't politics, it's full on mental illness. Please seek help.

It's also pseudo-science which had become part of politics. Keep this in mind, best selling author, Erich von Daniken, has a net worth of $30 million. People will believe completely irresponsible and illogical, made up facts and stick to them, against all reasoning. Then they attack anyone else, who tries to point out the truth.

Fake pandemic? There's and example of over the edge of the fringe and into denial of reality.

15 months is terribly long for review. Or make that submission review, the second review comes from SS.

Odd that you don't get replies from WS. They answer me in one day. But you're right, sometimes files sit and sit, until I wrote and ask why aren't they being reviewed.

I checked insights and there isn't anything there. Shouldn't we get the option of opting out if we don't want it free for another year? What sort of image were yours? My freebie is a vector, don't know if that makes any difference

You do have an option, each time they are open for submissions. You don't have to participate. I had one free image for 2023 and when it came up this year, I didn't allow it again. You can allow all or none or select which ones.

Yes, if I understand right, this last round was photos only, the one for Illustrations is on a different cycle, which hasn't come up yet. I have some of both, which means if some photos were selected this time, I got paid for those, and the illustrations are still showing as free, from last round of illustrations.

The video files which I uploaded to wirestock 15 years ago, which they uploaded to Shutterstock in last 30 days.
At that time I sent several mails to Wirestock regarding distributing files to microstock sites. They don't cared about it. Now I am seeing those files in shutterstock which uploaded very recently to shutterstock after 18 months.

my question is if any sales occurs for them, do I get money. Or if they are doing any scam?

Whenever I reach $30 I get money dropped into my PayPal account. Go look and see your dashboard. Just like everywhere else, no tax forms or no account to pay to, the money is just sitting there waiting for you to claim it.  https://wirestock.io/dashboard/stats

Wirestock hasn't been in business for 15 years. They were founded in 2018 and probably didn't get going until 2020 for most of us. But even if you uploaded in 2020, they must have somehow negotiated some video deal with SS recently and sent in their entire archive. Or maybe SS just got around to making them live.

Either way, strange things. How did you discover your videos were on SS? You can look at file numbers and estimate how long they have been active.

Last year one of my vectors was nominated and picked for the free images collection, from what I understand if the image is free again this year I would be paid again for it, but that free vector is still free and I did not receive any money for it. So what gives?

Doesn't show in earnings like a DL. Go to Insights > My Statistics > Other Earnings and see if you see it there?

Mine says "6/26/2024, 9:28:03 PM   Free collection $$"  and shows how much they paid me.

Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 06:44

I did some calculations,and came to some conclusions.

I calculated the number of sales,because in my opinion it is the most important data,of course the earnings are what count in the end,but in the microstock the earnings can vary depending on the licenses sold,so the only thing that in my opinion can give a solid data is the sales number,this number must absolutely increase year after year if I work actively.

here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:

1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%

I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.

here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:

2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)

so considering the situation in general,I think Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you have time on your side,because I believe that we also need to make a projection into the future and see if we will then have time to enjoy the fruits of this work.

then in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what you're looking for in the microstock,I'm looking for a solid income,certainly not to become rich,but to earn enough.

so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.

so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year.

so for the moment until the end of this year I will continue consistently,and then at the end of the year I will evaluate,if I can achieve at least 80% growth in sales numbers,I will continue next year too.

In the past we had folks claiming 100% gains but they went from like $20 USD per month to $40 USD. I am assuming you make over $2,000 USD per month thus you're doing a great job. If you make more than $5,000 a month than I am inspired by your work and results!

Right!

And then there's the wall, where initial growth, slows and the increases become smaller and smaller. Without knowing how long, how many images and even in round numbers, earnings, percentages are not reliable as a way to look at progress or the future.

Someone new, first year is 100% if that's $100 and the next year they make $200 oh wow, looks great, but the sample and time is too short. People have made whatever "good money" is for themselves, personally, with hundreds of images, then added more and more and when they have thousands, the RPI keeps dropping and income per image sold keep dropping.

My point is, no one should expect growth from year to year, based on number of images, to keep increasing income. Most of the time, things just don't work that way.

200 images makes $, 400 images makes $$, 800 makes $$+ and by 2,000 images, you are making $$$. It's not as if 10X the images makes 10X the income. And this is without going into, what are the images? High demand, exclusive subjects? Highest quality or just interesting. Number of images translates into more return, but not in a direct proportion to how many the collection has increased.

AKA the law of diminishing returns?