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Pope created by Midjourney... I think this is scary, opens many possibilities for scammers of all kinds.

https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/120vhdc/the_pope_drip/

Lets not be alarmist. You could clone the face of the  Pope on anything for about 30 years, and now AI is going to doom us to fakes and frauds. Not even good ones at that?



Bad hands, bad mug, another deformed finger, glasses are not right, Crucifix looks like a cheap trinket, three fingers on the left hand.


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Now that I see yours, nope no where close. And just for fun, I created a stats page for SS for all the AI images I have uploaded. Ready?

AI Images

$0.00

0

Now I can watch and look forward to the first dime? Some of those are my images, uploaded and then I edited what came out of Dall-E2, they aren't AI generated but more of AI enhanced or alterations. Seemed like a good idea at the time?  ::)

Too much time and effort for no return. They are all vectors as the AI illustrations are unacceptable.

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when USD was stronger than EUR.

LOL

Made me look. I didn't know the $ ever was higher. But I found September through November 2022 the dollar was higher that the some days. And the Pound is down to $1.20 I remember buying gasoline in the late 90s for about 5 pounds per Liter! Exchange rate was $1.60 per Today it takes $1.08 to make a single

We should be happy to not be paid in AUS dollars from Canva?  :) $1.50 = $1 US

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Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that  ;D ;D ;D
He loved to drive in his Jaguar
So welcome to the machine

Pink Floyd, end of song "Welcome To The Machine".

No AI involved, since we can be sure of smthg, AI will NEVER be creative by itself. But the errors of the human from which it will never be able to emancipate itself (from the errors!) will make believe that it is the case.
AI Vomit only ever contains all the food presented in another form.  ;D ;D Sorry, for my sometimes particular humour.

and Ggle never rarely sees extra fingers from me. If this has to happen, it's on a dedicated brrrrraowser.

You are correct. I have rarely seen proper fingers nor the correct number from AI images. This may get better, but I had to put gloves on people who had misshapen hands. Poor Gutenberg looks like he lost a finger in a cutter, which was supposed to be a press?



So lets see, you admit that AI is not creative by itself, so there must be a human behind that? And since it was humans who created and humans who write the prompts, AH HA!  ;)

Speaking of cars, they had wooden wheels, barely made any speed, and going on a trip meant carrying numerous spare tires. AI is young and new. Maybe photography has replaced oil paintings, but it hasn't replaced "art" drawn by hand? Illustrator software hasn't replaced drawing by hand... AI will not replace real photos.

Where needed, AI will just be a new medium for creating images. That's progress and invention.

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I added this link in the other thread to illustrate the point above - this isn't the first time...

https://www.microstockgroup.com/depositphotos/dp-images-back-up-on-shotshop/msg375143/#msg375143


Yeah and that was long ago and when I determined that I would never be so desperate to give anything to Deposit again! More of your earlier post:

Can someone fill me in on the issue with this site? I found a few images of mine up there and assume they are a partner or something?


You can read the (long) thread with the details - Deposit Photos partnered with Shotshop. Contributors got a subscription sale royalty on high price credit sales of their images. Lots of foot dragging, excuses and nonsense to get images removed and now they're back again.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/depositphotos/the-german-shotshop-reseller-of-depositphotos


And here's the essential slap in the face from DP.

The well-known German stock photographer Robert Kneschke has tested it now: For a standard image purchase via Shotshop to the relatively high prices, the photographer only gets the price of a subscription sale from DepositPhotos! >:(
http://stockfotografie-forum.de/discussion/813/shotshop-loescht-bilder#Item_32


DP was selling images as a subscription, to themselves, then re-selling for a higher price. Anyone? Are your shots still there?

https://www.shotshop.com/


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Another astounding image from Midjourney v5

The fingers are not all that bad (maybe the little finger of the second right hand is a bit too long), but there is something casually alien here...anyway nothing that Photoshop with a bit of skill cannot take care of   ;D

 😱 😱


But probably I am too critical and old-fashioned.
Personally, I prefer women with only 2 arms  ;)


Just imagine the possibilities, but I'll keep it wholesome... I bet she's a great hugger?   8)

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Nitpicking the problems with these images is pointless IMHO. The technology is so new and improving so quickly.

Awe you're no fun. This is the way of Microstock, and you want people to act like mature, responsible adults? "Yo Mama..."

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funny how those decrying AI say AI generated art (no quotes!) is poor quality are saying they can't compete with it!

Is that like some people complaining that uneducated, untrained people, coming into their country, are stealing their jobs and working for less? What does that say about the level of skill vs the wages?  ;D

Yeah I get it. If AI is so bad, but it's stealing my downloads, and income, then what is my work?

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe sales
« on: March 25, 2023, 13:12 »
And remember that cascoly has said his SS portfolio is twice the size of his AS portfolio, so this isn't an apples:apples comparison

Just for the details, and yes you're correct. I'm working on it?  ;) Slowly...
Adobe = 976
SSTK = 5,351
And I have to admit that what sells on AS isn't the same as what gets downloaded on SS, for mine. So even if I am only myself, there are different images involved because AS takes things SS doesn't and visa versa.

Just paid for another year of FAA, not bragging, just treading water. $36.34 for the year. Nice to see that now and then, someone needs something that I shot.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe sales
« on: March 25, 2023, 12:41 »
The first time I'm getting more money from Adobe than SS. +24% this month so far.

For me it's  +56% on Adobe this month.
SS fails to bring in many sales higher than $0.10 these days. ...
if that were true your RPD would be around .1 to .2 - what is yours? (and why no link to your portfolio  do you even have one?)

for many of us that isn't the case (i haven't seen anyone reporting an RPD of less than .2)  my SZS RPD  runs from .6 to 1.0, same as it was before the decrease.  AS RPD is slightly lower.  but SS income has been steady at 2-3  times AS income.  canva brings in more than AS

the AS payment for their free section does bring in a dramatic jump once a year

I know different strokes. But to answer from someone who doesn't do as well as you do and has different kinds of material, and Canva rejected my application many years ago?

2023 SS RPD = .54 for someone with pretty average assets. AS RPD = .80 Earnings. Downloads SS is 54% of AS and AS income is slightly under double that for SS. For me, AS is more money, more DLs with under 1,000 assets vs over 5,000 on SS.

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I have offer 4ETH for some my artworks as NFT I am not sure what this mean? I do not have NTF account.Some is already on stock as RF.  Any helpful idea?

The current value of 1 ETH is $1,821.33 USD, maybe they want all rights? But $7,200, heck they could buy something of mine.  ;D

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Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that  ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, everything on the Internet is true? But a small fact would help: Albert Einstein did not directly engage with the concept of artificial intelligence (AI) during his lifetime. He was a physicist.

Here's what OpenAI Says about the matter. (yes I like a bit of irony in things much of the time.)

It's difficult to say exactly what Einstein would think of artificial intelligence, as he lived and worked in a time before the development of modern AI technologies. However, based on what we know about his views on science, technology, and humanity, we can speculate about some of his possible thoughts on the topic.

Einstein was known for his belief in the power of human creativity and intuition, which he saw as essential for scientific discovery. He once famously said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." This suggests that he may have been skeptical of the idea that machines could ever fully replace human intelligence and creativity.

On the other hand, Einstein was also a strong proponent of using science and technology for the betterment of society. He was deeply concerned about the social and political implications of technological advancements, and he believed that scientists had a responsibility to use their knowledge and skills for the good of humanity.

Given these views, it's possible that Einstein would have been both fascinated by and cautious about the development of artificial intelligence. He may have seen the potential benefits of AI for solving complex problems and advancing scientific understanding, but he may also have been concerned about the ethical and societal implications of creating machines that can think and learn on their own.

Overall, while we can't know for certain what Einstein would have thought about AI, we can speculate that he would have approached the topic with a careful balance of curiosity and caution, with a keen eye toward ensuring that these new technologies are used in a way that benefits society as a whole.
ChatGTP

Fair enough? Balance and caution, and how would AI effect individual people and society?




The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.

Albert Einstein

In 1977, Ken Olsen, founder of the Digital Equipment Corporation, said, There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.

"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race." Stephen Hawking

I say adapt and change, learn to embrace and use new technology to our benefit.

Last of all:

The fear has sometimes been expressed that photography would in time entirely supersede the art of painting. Some people seem to think that when the process of taking photographs in colors has been perfected and made common enough, the painter will have nothing more to do.  Henrietta Clopath 1901

that refined feeling and sentiment which animate the productions of a man of genius, Photography is missing invention and feeling constitute essential qualities in a work of Art, and Photography couldnt qualify as an art in its own right, the explanation went, because it lacked something beyond mere mechanism at the bottom of it. Photography was viewed as merely as a thoughtless mechanism for replication.

Sounds like some of the criticism of AI lacking the human element?

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@MatHayward

Is there any chance that there will be Ai search term in filters or category in search panel on site to help users / buyers decide what kind of artwork or "airtwork" they wish ?
Or at least something like a subcategory for people - people with 6 fingers, people with 7 fingers ...you know....something like that?

already there just include -ai in your search, since AS requires that keyword

And just a suspicion that agencies want AI images marked, so they won't be used to train AI.

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I can't wait until AI is smart enough to build a tomato isolated on white ;D

About time you say?

I think it's perfect!

More cheese, more cheese, dripping ricotta!  ;D

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General Photography Discussion / Re: DPReview closing down
« on: March 23, 2023, 12:12 »
This was a shock. Spent many hours using that site, overs so many years.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5901145460/dpreview-com-to-close

Yes, basically the go to site for honest reviews that had some depth and the historic information was always there.

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perfectly  ;D



(AI generated - not for human consumption)

I'll say something before the gloom and doom naysayers get into their rhythm. I don't like the weave of napkin...  ::) The basil has some flaws and there's not enough cheese.  ;)

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However his hat is very fiftyish and the car in the background is terribly realistic too

The way the guy holds the gun is hilarious  :D
I wish I could have such an expert knowledge about producing such images. ;)
But you could make the day of more than one mechanic...
AI is beyond you, right? And your expert eye saw nothing bad here???
Is there no risk of losing common sense with AI?

I only see something "terribly realistic" here, but it's not regarding the image itself.

Can't see the original image just the old car?
follow the link please, you can see my comment too
https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/03/19/midjourney-v5-is-here/

Yes, bad grip on the gun and the rear wheel is too far inside the wheel well. But... the shading and sepia effect, overall, it's a nice image for AI? Humans would do better.


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Basically photography is a memory, a testimony, a proof of the existing, a reflection of reality, an emotion, a singular creative exercise... What will be the interest of these soulless productions, apart from a cleanliness ascepted and suspicious?

what sort of reality is reflected by picasso, dali, rothko, mondrian, klee and hundreds of other artists? not to mention scifi & fantasy artists

Or me (but I'm not a famous name) I took the photos, I created the final product and no AI was involved. What sort of reality is this? Well, in my mind it was something I thought of and saw and created. AI does better in some cases.  ;D



 Human reality, who says? I say this is "Speed in Motion"

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General Photography Discussion / Re: DPReview closing down
« on: March 21, 2023, 12:22 »
This was a shock. Spent many hours using that site, overs so many years.
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5901145460/dpreview-com-to-close

Terrible News, a good reliable site is lost.

DPReview.com is a wholly-owned, editorially independent subsidiary of Amazon.com.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/21/amazon-kills-dpreview-the-best-camera-review-site-on-the-web/

And: https://petapixel.com/2023/03/21/dpreview-is-shutting-down/

Even prior to Amazons decision to close the site, DPReview struggled to maintain the staff necessary to keep up its lab, which was the basis of its extremely detailed reviews. The publication had multiple positions open through the end of 2021 and was attempting to replace its Reviews Editor as recently as last August. While the company had been able to fill some roles, those close to the situation at the time (who asked to remain anonymous) informed PetaPixel that the company was having difficulty filling the positions due to the stringent skill requirements of the job combined with the fact that they would have to be based in Seattle.

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I miss the global sales map. I guess that's a part of history now.

It's gone?

Oh no, it's still there and they added a +/- so you can zoom in? Still looks terrible and why do I want to zoom in on a useless Blue Dot? Scroll down.

https://submit.shutterstock.com/dashboard

Ah I see the map now. Though mine doesn't show the whole globe. I also get broken thumbnails when I let the cursor hover over the blue spots - probably because I closed my photo port on SS.

It's a pity that this map doesn't show video sales because that's all I sell on SS these days. Also, I'd like to see my sales info on the main page as well instead of having to go to another page to learn about the details of each sale. This main page is now just mostly wasted space.

You also now have to hover over a blue dot one at a time to see what sold and where.  Previously they were displayed as thumbnails on the map and in a "most recent" list on the right.

Yes to that and all of the above. We have to hover over them one at a time and the globe is not the full width of the box. But they added a zoom? What happened to seeing what we sold, oh "sorry that's not available"

But they found room to spam up the entire top of the page with hints, tips and promotions?

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...just wanted to point out that you should give close to zero weight to the claim that this is additional income for contributors.

Good Point and history supports that opinion.

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Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative! :) ;)
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...  ;D
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try  :)
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)  ;D


Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isnt there and finding it."


I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy  :D

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!! 8)

I was abducted by aliens at a very young age, but not finding any intelligent life, they sent me back, only slightly modified. I'm still trying to assimilate with Earthlings and learn the ways here. I'm adapting to how people on this planet intake consumables. You get the Point?  ;)



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However his hat is very fiftyish and the car in the background is terribly realistic too

The way the guy holds the gun is hilarious  :D
I wish I could have such an expert knowledge about producing such images. ;)
But you could make the day of more than one mechanic...
AI is beyond you, right? And your expert eye saw nothing bad here???
Is there no risk of losing common sense with AI?

I only see something "terribly realistic" here, but it's not regarding the image itself.

Can't see the original image just the old car?

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Adobe announces their own AI system.

Welcome Firefly!

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/03/21/bringing-gen-ai-to-creative-cloud-adobe-firefly?fbclid=IwAR2tIv5tsSELTNHR0tqFcz2DrIMKrbAkjwN0u71NkOCg6Z7jCIngIFY8YNo

Whoo Hoo yet another one? "It is particularly valuable to those seeking to generate content for commercial use because it is trained on hundreds of millions of professional-grade, licensed images in Adobe Stock along with openly licensed content and public domain content where the copyright has expired."

"Thank you for signing up to try out Adobe Firefly!

Well be sending out invites gradually over time. Well email you instructions on how to get started once youve been given access."  IF?

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Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative! :) ;)
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...  ;D
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try  :)
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)  ;D

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isnt there and finding it."



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