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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 04, 2009, 07:49 »

recently bought a digital SLR to have some fun. I learned as a consequence a lot of what is going on on the internet and must say it is depressing.





It seems that you dont understand the basic principles of a digital SLR and the internet yet which I think would be necessary before making such comments

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It seems basic economic principles are not understood by all this creative hart working wonderful people....
I must say I am embarrassed for how little photographers are working, this is worse than slavery.

Not really...I knew nothing about photography 4 years ago.. so far I made $41,000.00 and still growing.
 See my thread "Happy day for a security guard" for a better response.
Probably only the top 1% of micro contributors are making enough to make a living. Maybe 2-6% are making a good supplemental income, but is that not the truth for all artistic or sports endeavors . I guess after a while if you cant make that top 6% it is up to you to give up and do something else. It is that simple.  

Denis

If we suppose to believe you.
$41,000 in 4 years, lets see that is $10,250 per year.  In the US you are below the proverty line and qualify for foods stamps and medicaid! PS: don't give up you security guard job.


That is right, I haven't give it up yet. I made $3200 in 2006, $10200 in 2007, $15300 in 2008 and $12500 so far in 2009. That is a progressive thing. Who in this world will start a new business in photography from nothing and make $50,000 a year right from the beginning? Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 04, 2009, 06:17 »

recently bought a digital SLR to have some fun. I learned as a consequence a lot of what is going on on the internet and must say it is depressing.





It seems that you dont understand the basic principles of a digital SLR and the internet yet which I think would be necessary before making such comments

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It seems basic economic principles are not understood by all this creative hart working wonderful people....
I must say I am embarrassed for how little photographers are working, this is worse than slavery.

Not really...I knew nothing about photography 4 years ago.. so far I made $41,000.00 and still growing.
 See my thread "Happy day for a security guard" for a better response.
Probably only the top 1% of micro contributors are making enough to make a living. Maybe 2-6% are making a good supplemental income, but is that not the truth for all artistic or sports endeavors . I guess after a while if you cant make that top 6% it is up to you to give up and do something else. It is that simple. 

Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 03, 2009, 11:12 »
Microstock is a small extension of freedom in a capitalistic society within its democracy. In that realm, this is part of its evolution. And like any evolutionary step, you either adapt or you suffer the consequences of not adapting.

Of course I would like to see better pricing for contributors, who would not? But better arguments then those in this thread would need to be raised. I don't think complaining about rejections or the cost of making images are sufficient reasons for this industry to take notice.
   
Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 02, 2009, 18:16 »
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 02, 2009, 13:27 »
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How many downloads at 33 cents will it take to pay for a Pro-DSLR, lens, lights, laptop, software, and etc?


That's right this microstock business is about volume so yes it will take alot. See my thread "Happy day for a security guard" for a better answer.

However if I combined all sites and all different pricing schemes the average is more then 33 cents a download though. It is closer to a dollar per download.

Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sad day for photographers
« on: August 02, 2009, 13:23 »
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 02, 2009, 10:23 »
Awesome, my hubby is a security guard too but he prefers to let me do the photography. It's nice to see someone who has grabbed the world and made something of it with a positive attitude. My best wishes.

Thank you Einochi. Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 02, 2009, 10:22 »
Great job, Denis! And I love the positive attitude :)

Thank you Konstatin. Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 01, 2009, 18:57 »
Flicitations Denis, ton parcours est impressionnant et un bon exemple suivre. J'ai commenc en photo stock il y a deux ans mais en ralit, surtout depuis 1 an et j'ai des crotes manger avant de rejoindre tes revenus mensuels.

Bravo encore une fois! et bonne chance pour le temps plein :)

Merci Eric, tu as des belles photos. Faut pas lach. Bonne soire

Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 01, 2009, 18:43 »
Congrats. For someone who knew "nothing" 4 years ago, you seem to have learned quite a lot. Looking at your shots, I can see that you jumped right in and created the background/lighting setup for good isolated people shots.  And I'm guessing that's you, as the model in a lot of the photos?  

I should learn from your example and get into some people shots myself.  Like many wannabe photographers I keep telling myself - it's too much work, too much investment, needs too much space, don't have any models.  But my guess is you quickly figured out how to do it without spending thousands on lights, backdrops, "cutters" etc...?

Thank you stockastic. Yes it is me in most of those guy shots. I have first learned how to shoot people by selfphotographing myself before asking for models. Most female models are from Modelmayhem.com which, depending of your neighborhood, are easy to get in exchanged of photos. Most of everything I have learned is from reading Shutterstock forum and trying to understand all the rejections at the beginning. At first I had a Canon Rebel 300d, then a 5d and right now I have been waiting 2 months for a 5d mark II.  My lenses are Canon 24-105mm L, Canon 1.4 50mm, and Canon IS 70-300mm. My lights at first were halogen but a year later I upgraded to 4 Alien Bees with a giant softbox and umbrellas. 4 months ago I got a Wacom Cintix, 21 inches tablet, oh men!! this is the greatest thing for editing. My best month so far was last June with $2250.00, this July, $1470.00. So far in 2009, $12400.00.  I have 1100 photos online exept Istock 960.

Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 01, 2009, 14:58 »
Hi cybernesco,

 I am glad for you and your new excitement about the future there is nothing better than to wake up feeling the future looks bright. I wish you the best of luck with your sales and hope you are out from behind that desk sooner than later. Keep shooting.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Thank you Jonathan and cheers to you as well.

Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Happy Day for a Security Guard
« on: August 01, 2009, 13:45 »
This message is directed to Marksout regarding his topic "Sad day for photographers"

I am a 53 years old security guard doing a mixture of night and day shifts in a government building. 4 years ago I knew nothing about photography. Microstock has given me $41,000.00 since then and I am still growing. I will not stop until I make enought to get out of my regular boring job. I don't care what anybody says, this is definetly the best opportunity that has ever happened to me. I guess this is what freedom is all about.

 Denis

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In June, from all microstock I made $2200.00.  Made $0.50 from Crestock. Need I say more? Denis

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Thank you all for your feedback, I may go with the distribution option but I am not sure yet. Denis

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Does anyone has practical knowledge about Alamy additional revenue opportunities? Under that heading, there are three different ways that your images can be bought in addition to Alamy's regular sales which are: 1- Novel Use 2- Distribution 3- UK Newspaper Scheme.

After reading the provided info under each one, I am skeptical about opting in. If I opt in all of them, would that increase my total revenue coming from Alamy, or  will it decrease if buyers find a cheaper way by going through those schemes instead? Anyone has " before and after"  experiences regarding those three options.

Thank you for reading this

Denis

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BME for me as well. Denis

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3 years ago I got cs2 from ebay from one of those "power seller" with 99.9999 % positive feedback.  Paid something like $200. Got it but would not activate. Called Adobe and as soon as they heard the word "ebay" it immediately ended our conversation with "sorry can't help you". 

Thereafter, I wrote a nasty comment as a feedback to degrade this guy status. Within 30 minutes he wrote back saying that he would reimburse me if I deleted the comment. I replied saying that as soon as I see the money in my paypal account that I will delete the comment.   Next day the money was in paypal and thereafter deleted the bad comment.

I guess some of those power sellers with high positive feedback take pride in this and would do anything to keep their rating as high as they can. Therefore, maybe they are a bit more reliable then the other lower ranked sellers.

Thereafter, although this was not the worst case scenario, I did not want to go through that experience again, so I bough cs3 from Adobe website and now I have cs4 suite downloaded from Adobe. Even if you don't make too much it is still deductible from your taxes in most countries (Check your local tax person for advice). Denis


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I think I am doing ok. I have 886 images with iStock.  436 downloads in Jan, 427 in Feb, 519 in Mar and 332 so far in april. I am averaging $1.06 per download. To me BM2 does not seem to have an impact either way. It did get a little slower around easter brake but that's all. Denis



This is a beautiful response.  I think that this is how it should be posted if you want to post that you are doing well/poorly compared to x weeks/months

Congrats on doing well so far Denis.

Thank you Ichiro

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I think I am doing ok. I have 886 images with iStock.  436 downloads in Jan, 427 in Feb, 519 in Mar and 332 so far in april. I am averaging $1.06 per download. To me BM2 does not seem to have an impact either way. It did get a little slower around easter brake but that's all. Denis


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: best match 2.0 LIVE!!
« on: April 15, 2009, 22:07 »
So far works good for me. I tried a simple search with my most popular image, an arrangement of fruits and veggies, which has over 1700 downloads. I simply search for "produce" and it comes up first or second among several thousands as opposed to the middle of the first page before. The same scenario if I put in just "vegetable" or just "fruit". However, if I search with the only word "food" it comes up on the bottom of the second page as opposed to the top of the first page before which I think is fair as "food" is more general then "vegetable" or "fruit".

This test was done with the best match slider in the middle, a few hours ago while at home. I can't check this out again as I am at my other job and the firewall is preventing me from going into Istock.

Denis

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General Photography Discussion / Re: Shameless Self Promotion
« on: April 15, 2009, 13:11 »

However as opposed to becoming a doctor (I guess you meant a physician),

Not really, I meant doctor actually.


Therefore, what did you mean by "going out and finding someone to practice on"
 
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What if you could be making $16,000 instead?



If I could I would. However, If I can I will be. Denis


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General Photography Discussion / Re: Shameless Self Promotion
« on: April 15, 2009, 12:32 »

Yes we help each other out __ but we don't charge for it.

This is of course true, but you have to weed through a minefield of derogatory comments and information from sources that lack experience. Too often you get what you pay for.

Weeell, i suppose you sort of expect that in a bar, or even a pub where the commoners meet to drink and shoot the bull  ;)
i remember in my younger days (70s) in paddington UK where we had to throw some skinheads out of the mitre (our local) every once in a while. it was quite a scene and quite fun kicking ass (real ones )   ;D ;D

this forum's no different; only the Guinness and ale don't taste too good here ... "leaf's ale" is a bit flat   ;D

It's very much exactly as you say and that is what makes it fun here. But I don't think I would rely on the bar scene as my only source of an education. At some point its nice to get mentored by a truly knowledgeable source and many times it costs money to acquire that knowledge. No one hangs around forums learning how to become a doctor then going out and finding someone to practice on. Making mistakes then coming back again for more info because they didn't quite understand something the first time around. It helps to get the information straight in the beginning.  Why not get out and get a reputation quickly  that will carry you through the rest of your career?

However as opposed to becoming a doctor (I guess you meant a physician), the beauty about microstock is that you can make all the mistakes you want and learn from them. Good legit sellable images will never be refused by most microstock agencies (except Crestock) even if you had tons of rejections before (but I think there are some reasonable limits imposed by some agencies).

Many people here, like myself, are self-learners and are making a good revenue and would never think twice paying for information that can be found for free all over the internet. Mostly, it is just a matter of knowing how to find the information and knowing how to filter out bad information from good information.  Ad talent and a business mind to that mix and you got it made. To the extreme on that scale you got Yuri and somewhere in the bottom you got me. Right now I am making over $1600.00US per month as a part time business/hobby in photography for which I knew nothing about 4 years ago. The world is full of self-learners that are way ahead from the followers. I guess no names need to be mentioned here. Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sell someone other's pictures?
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:12 »
Well, I thought it depended on the family, and how they wanted to proceed.

I mean, it's still a viable, sellable property.  Just because the creator has passed away does not devalue it.  It's your responsibility to set in place how you want it handled.  Does it go to your great-niece, Penelope? Then get it in writing, so the poor girl does not have a problem when you pass.

This is not my point. What I mean is that, as Leaf mention, microstock agencies not only want you to be the copyright holder but they want you to be the one that took the shots as well. But generally, what are microstock agencies point of view regarding photos of photographers (the ones that took the shots) that have died and no longer are the copyright holders? Denis

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Sell someone other's pictures?
« on: April 02, 2009, 10:53 »
But what about when you die and, through your will, copyright of all your images are transfered to someone else? Will this person still be able to collect royalties? The person that took the photos has died, images are still on-line with all various microstock agencies, who is supposed to take charge? Should all photos be deleted? In the past, that question was asked at several microstock agencies, but never got a straight answer. I am sure that dilemma must have come up.  Denis

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Shutterstock.com / Re: EL & OD mania on SS
« on: March 16, 2009, 17:17 »
I have been getting 3 ELs a month for the last three months. I already have 3 ELs for March... maybe I'll get a few more this month :)  Denis

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