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« on: May 22, 2024, 16:01 »
Adobestock accepts images createdwith Firefly?
Yes. I have both AI MJ and AI Firefly in my portfolio,you can also use version 3 of Firefly which is in beta,commercial uses are allowed I also have people made with Firefly which in my opinion are even better than some of MJ's,the Firefly people seem more natural and real to me. at the moment I'm working on some AI content, but in reality I don't want to waste too much time on it,I created 20 in a couple of hours,for me it's a record,because before I wasted much more time on it. in my opinion the strategy to adopt on AI is more on quantity,because you have to consider rejections and then also that it is not easy to sell them,so wasting too much time and producing less,I don't know if it's really a good idea,maybe it can be sometimes,not always.
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« on: May 22, 2024, 13:47 »
10% of the nominated assets for me will be very good!  very probably less.... I go all in,then remove only some best-selling content.
453
« on: May 22, 2024, 06:11 »
I'll add it is interesting to have friendly discussion and learn from other people experiences. In my case following holds true:
1) Approved Images are followed by Increased # of downloads
2) Being stagnant (not uploading new content) gradually leads to decreased # of downloads
3) Rejected content is followed by sharp decline in # of downloads, but only over short period of time
There might be "Adobe Rank" token attached to each port, that goes up and down based on scenarios above. Further, Each individual asset has it's own token that goes up based on download history. It also appears new content is not promoted at all.
This is all guesswork of course for which I have no proof except experience with my own port.
From my experience rejections do not affect sales. This month has already been one of the months in which i have uploaded the most,i have worked tirelessly doubling mi video library and also uploading many photos,all real content,with an approval rate of 99% Despite this,my sales are slow this month,so i don't think that approved or rejected content in themselves can increase or decrease sales. what can happen is that with a lot of approved content,you can gain visibility,selling both new and old content,perhaps this one. for the moment this month of May 2024 for me is the worst month of 2024 so far. However, I'm not very worried about it because I already know that Adobe's sales system will make me reach my current minimum value anyway. for the moment I am still quite far from my minimum value,so for me this month will be the definitive proof of whether or not a minimum value exists. fingers crossed!  I had already predicted an increase of only 10/20% for this month,since the May 2023 sales number was equal to my current minimum value. while in June,July and August I should return to an increase of 40/50% because for all three of these months of 2023 the number of sales was lower than my current "minimum value" Soon we'll see if this is the case or not,I'll let you know,if anyone is ever interested in this!
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« on: May 21, 2024, 11:42 »
Woke up and found myself right at 1,000th this morning. Nice!! Didn't have a good sales day yesterday, but maybe everybody had a slow day yesterday thus higher ranking than usual.
nice! Yesterday was a particularly slow day,today a little less slow but still quite slow,I expected more from the beginning of this week. I've been selling less than usual lately but my rank has improved,it's clear that for many it's going worse,so I'm not complaining!
455
« on: May 21, 2024, 04:40 »
don't worry about my job,think about yours!
Yes, I'll do so. Thank you!!
I'm sorry if I seemed a little aggressive to you,but you too were not very nice! You see I don't waste time with conspiracy theories,I know what it is for me and how things work for me. for others like you it is different,and this depends on many factors,and so you can't understand my point of view for some things,it's normal. However,nothing serious happened!
456
« on: May 21, 2024, 04:24 »
Is anyone else getting frustrated with the Adobestock rejection rate of Adobe Firefly AI generated images of people?
I find I am getting frustrated with the high rejection rate of Firefly v3 beta "photo" (and earlier versions for that matter) of people.
The images generated are noisy so I usually do simple noise reduction and appropriate sharpening in LR. However, the majority
of images get rejected for the ambiguous and unhelpful reason: "Unfortunately, this image doesn't meet our quality standards".
Is anyone having a good acceptance rate with Firefly photo images with people?
this is definitely one of the worst aspects of sending AI content,rejections. it's the worst aspect,especially if you are a contributor who sends few,because you waste time trying to improve the contents and therefore you send a few and then the few you send are also rejected. In my opinion,the reason for the rejections is more related to the sales potential of the content and whether it is original or not,not much for the quality. Unfortunately Adobe has to reject a lot,if it doesn't do so the AI content uploaded is too much in a short period of time. so in my opinion the strategy to adopt with AI is not to waste too much time on it. I used to waste time on it,but I think now I make a nice selection of AI content selecting all those "can go",since I've generated more than 20,000 of them and I'm starting to send them without any particular tweaks,just upscale. This way I will send thousands in a short time,and I'm pretty sure that at least 50% will pass the review.
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« on: May 20, 2024, 13:23 »
Looking at my sales and earnings I can in no way predict exactly what I will make any given day, week, or month. I could guess the average of the previous year, or what I made last year that month or what the magic 8 ball told me, but I would have no confidence in it being very accurate. I haven't run the statistics, but over the last few years per monthly income has varied by a factor of 6 or so and it isn't always up and the good months and bad months are not always the same (although the free image election bump is noticeable in the graph the years I had a bunch of images selected).
Do you have a formula you follow - eg last years sales this month times number of new images times x = exact sales this month? Also how exact is your prediction - to the download and cent, or within 5 % or 10% or 50% - I think I could predict the latter most months just by picking the average.
Previously people have alleged $ amounts set by SS and if they had a good week at the start of the month they would have lousy sales the rest of the month to hit their quota and if they had poor sales all month they would have some good days at the end of the month to bring things up.
I agree that if Adobe removed 3/4 of their collection but not my stuff I would do better, especially if they removed the content that was competing with my content.
What really matters is the complex algorithms around the search plus what content you have and how good the metadata is and what content buyers are looking for. We can only control our content and the metadata. For common content the search placement is nearly everything.
I can only understand the number of sales,there is no way to understand the earnings. the calculation is simple,the factors at play are: -the number of sales I made in the same month last year -the minimum value -the growth percentage. At least 90% if not more of the time my prediction is correct,with a max margin of error of perhaps 10 sales at most. "the minimum value" is the minimum number of sales I can make per month. just for example,I have 190 sales as a monthly minimum value,then maybe in a couple of months or more this minimum becomes 200,once I have made at least 200 sales in a month for 2 months in a row,I never go below this value and 200 becomes the minimum. the percentage of growth is the percentage of increase that I bring in the current year,which this year for me is 40/50% so in conclusion,I see how many sales I made in the same month last year and knowing my minimum value and my percentage increase,I can determine with a very low margin of error how many sales I will make in the current month. but only the number of sales,it is impossible to determine how much I earn. one thing I would like to underline is that up to now I have never broken the minimum value,once I reached it I never went back. and I hope this continues,because this is the most important thing for me. and all this only concerns Adobe,in other agencies I can't establish a trend,in other agencies it's all too random. if I continue to work and upload regularly and it happens that I sell a smaller amount of content than in the same month of the previous year,then it's over,this makes no sense,because if after a year of incessant uploads you end up selling less than the previous year then there is no hope left! This has never happened to me on Adobe Stock until now,I hope it will continue like this!
458
« on: May 20, 2024, 10:32 »
Ouch, horrible month.
Hard to imagine that around 2-3 years ago iStock used to be my best earnin agency. Now it's getting closer to one of the minor agencies for me.
That's what I've been trying to say for a while now.
Istock is an agency that doesn't give any certainty,maybe next month it will be better,but you never have a stable income that increases over time like with Adobe Stock.
I say it again,continuing to upload to this agency only serves to ruin the future of microstock.
Unfortunately they know how to keep the hamster in the wheel running,so that they continue to make money,that's all that matters to Istock.
then when you no longer serve them,they remove or lower your content from the search engine to make room for other new contributors,so they can squeeze new contributors too.
when I started with Istock,after just 4 months with less than 1000 contents,I was already earning an average of 150 USD per month,do you know why?
because they positioned some of my content at the top of the search so I was happy that I kept uploading and so they could squeeze me.
leave them alone,they use you,squeeze you and throw you away.
Adobe is the only agency that guarantees an increase in earnings over time as long as your portfolio continues to grow,no other non-exclusive agency guarantees this.
I think there has been some kind of bonus for new contributors at istock in search rank long time ago.
April was below average for me at istock.
but what a bonus, we are the bonus for Istock!
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« on: May 20, 2024, 08:24 »
Ouch, horrible month.
Hard to imagine that around 2-3 years ago iStock used to be my best earnin agency. Now it's getting closer to one of the minor agencies for me.
That's what I've been trying to say for a while now. Istock is an agency that doesn't give any certainty,maybe next month it will be better,but you never have a stable income that increases over time like with Adobe Stock. I say it again,continuing to upload to this agency only serves to ruin the future of microstock. Unfortunately they know how to keep the hamster in the wheel running,so that they continue to make money,that's all that matters to Istock. then when you no longer serve them,they remove or lower your content from the search engine to make room for other new contributors,so they can squeeze new contributors too. when I started with Istock,after just 4 months with less than 1000 contents,I was already earning an average of 150 USD per month,do you know why? because they positioned some of my content at the top of the search so I was happy that I kept uploading and so they could squeeze me. leave them alone,they use you,squeeze you and throw you away. Adobe is the only agency that guarantees an increase in earnings over time as long as your portfolio continues to grow,no other non-exclusive agency guarantees this.
460
« on: May 20, 2024, 03:54 »
@blvdone I wouldn't say it's really unfounded,given that it is! I already know how many sales I will make this month and how many sales I will make every month,as I said,I just need to look at how many sales I made in the same month of the previous year. we all have a "range of action" that increases as our portfolio increases and over time,It's a fact,not a theory. and this is one of the best aspects of Adobe,because it guarantees certainty that you can earn more over time. I don't see any conspiracy theories here,and don't worry about my job,think about yours!
461
« on: May 18, 2024, 18:19 »
Obviously I don't know how the Adobe algorithm works, but I sincerely doubt there is a particularly large effect (or any) on how long you have been a contributor. I also don't think that there is some sort of set limit to how much you will sell - although that has been alleged for various agencies by a number of people over the years.
Produce content that is needed without a lot of competition and you will do well. Until it is copied or they switch the algorithm to push other content (newer, bigger images, AI, local, whatever) and then you won't do as well. Also as the price per image drops - either through price cuts or various custom deals or subs plans you will make less per sale. That is the true effect of time on microstock, not some magical constant certainty over time.
Yes, you can still make decent money with good smart work, but you could probably make more with that same good smart work in some other fashion.
This week my sales, $, and position are all below what they have been recently although I did have a few sales of recently uploaded images, which is nice.
Of course we're here to chat and try to understand something more together,I'm not an expert on how Adobe's sales system works. But,how do you explain that I just need to look at how many sales I made last year and I already know how many sales I'll make? on April 1st I already knew exactly the number of sales I would have on April 30th,how do you explain it?Am I a magician? no,it's more likely that I simply sold the number I had to sell. therefore there is an established limit within which I can stay within this period of time,and at a certain point,in a month,perhaps two,I will be able to take that extra step and my "range of action" begins to oscillate between values taller. another example? you could sell much more if tomorrow Adobe's contributors suddenly become only 1000,do you agree with me? If Yes,you agree with me,it means that is because Adobe's sales system will be able to give you a wider "range of action" because there are few contributors to manage,and your content is shown with virtually every request,if you have in your portfolio. If No,you dont agree then it means that our opinions differ on this point. What matters in my opinion is what you have to sell,how much you have to sell,and how LONG you have had it for sale. now,why is the time you have been a contributor important?because you have more content on sale for longer,and it gives you more visibility in general. you gain visibility over time,over time ours contents are shown more,and therefore time is a fundamental factor in microstock. then aside from these obvious reasons,I believe there is also a "step" in the Adobe sales system algorithm,specific to the time an account was opened and/or the number of sales made,but this last part is just my personal opinion.
462
« on: May 18, 2024, 09:17 »
Good week so far after a bad week.
exactly,that's where I need to get to,250 usd a week from Adobe Stock and everything will be better
unfortunately I started already late in 2018,if only I had started a couple of years earlier I had much more economic possibilities,let's say I started microstock in the worst possible conditions,and now in these times every investment takes a long time,even traveling 100 km by car has become a problem these days.
I just hope I don't get too old before I get to $250 a week,I'd like to be able to enjoy it for a few more years while I'm still young enough,I hope it will be possible!
About 40% of my Adobe Stock revenue is generated from AI photos I started uploading in last September less than 1 year ago. So, you can do it too if you meditate and levitate sometimes. If you think about "Why I can't", that's where you'll get stuck. Start thinking about "Why I can too".
blvdone,thanks for the reply,of course you're right,we always have to try to think that we can,and that's what I do every day! but the fact is that I don't sell what I can sell on Adobe,but what I have to sell,my sales as well as everyone's sales on Adobe are predetermined,that's why I already know how much I will sell each month. except for some unique content that only I have,then in that case the sales system goes to fish for my content because there are no others,and I make the sale. regarding all the other contents,all the concepts and the best-selling things,I can only sell a certain predetermined number,which increases over time. I'm sure I'll make it to 250 USD a week,the question is how long it will take. in fact I saw the difference when my portfolio was highlighted I earned 200 usd in two days. but unfortunately,since there are many of us contributors,I have to wait before I can regularly make 250 usd a week or more,for the moment it is only rarely allowed to me. but still better this way,than SS or Istock for example,where you don't understand anything about how much you can sell and it's all unpredictable. at least with Adobe you can make long-term projects,and there are certainties that over time if you work you can earn more and more! I will reap the fruits of the work I'm doing today,in a couple of years from now,when my portfolio will enjoy greater exposure. the exposure of your portfolio on Adobe is earned first of all over time,and then obviously other factors too. It's all mainly a question of time!I just hope not too much time!
463
« on: May 18, 2024, 06:25 »
Good week so far after a bad week.
exactly,that's where I need to get to,250 usd a week from Adobe Stock and everything will be better unfortunately I started already late in 2018,if only I had started a couple of years earlier I had much more economic possibilities,let's say I started microstock in the worst possible conditions,and now in these times every investment takes a long time,even traveling 100 km by car has become a problem these days. I just hope I don't get too old before I get to $250 a week,I'd like to be able to enjoy it for a few more years while I'm still young enough,I hope it will be possible!
464
« on: May 18, 2024, 05:29 »
this month so far on Adobe I have earned 650% more than on SS,but I haven't uploaded to SS since September 2023.
465
« on: May 18, 2024, 05:16 »
Yes,the site is often very slow and connection timed out errors often too.
466
« on: May 17, 2024, 05:57 »
this petition has been updated,this part has been added:
"If it is really not possible to add a daily/weekly or monthly upload limit,we ask Adobestock to be more strict in approving content,which often presents important artifacts or inconsistencies compared to reality".
"We are not against users who generate AI images,but given the ease and speed of production we think it is right to offer AI content responsibly and with common sense,reminding all "AI artists" that their images are generated thanks to our photographs,our illustrations and our footage".
I always think that a limit of 500 in queue is a wide limit,but at the same time it can slow down AI spammers,giving more time to be selective and work differently.
Adobe's rejections are already 30% on average,a set and known limit is the best solution,it also favors individual contributors against AI farms,because individual contributors have no hope against organized teams that produce AI in exaggerated quantities,a limit could balance this too.
but as I said before,I also think that in some way,this problem is solved at least in part by Adobe's sales system that makes everyone sell and continue to sell more as time goes by.
as I already said,I firmly believe that even billions more contents are not exactly a problem,because they are managed by Adobe's sales system.
I believe that a problem for Adobe's sales system may be more due to a greater quantity of contributors,which is certainly increasing with AI.
for the moment I remain more focused on producing "real" content,while adding AI content every now and then in small quantities.
467
« on: May 17, 2024, 05:11 »
I'm already starting to notice the first signs of recovery from yesterday
468
« on: May 16, 2024, 06:47 »
I am uploading everyday, the new images are getting some sales but the sales of older ones have declined since last month. March was BME for me, even last year I got more sales with less images.
if March was your BME then is normal that for the moment you have dropped a little. i sold 50% more in April (always compared to April 2023)but this May is a bit slow,i expect a recovery in the last 2 weeks of the month.
469
« on: May 16, 2024, 03:30 »
Since april 15, there has been a drastic decline in my sales. My weekly ranking used to be around 12000 and today it is 26000. Total images are around 4300.
and what about uploads?if I may ask? I upload new files almost every day. As far as I'm concerned,a month in which I earn 10 or 20% more than the same month of the previous year is not a good month. 40-50% compared to the same month of the previous year,is an "OK" result,nothing exceptional but it's acceptable,because exactly i upload new contents almost every day,and earning only 40-50% more after a whole year of incessant uploads isn't much but "OK" in any case,as far as I'm concerned,as long as I continue to earn more every month compared to the same month of the previous year,I will continue to work,if I ever earn less for 3 consecutive months always compared to the same month of the previous year,I will definitely stop,because if i earn less while continuing to upload it means that it's over. for me what matters most is the number of sales,this number really cannot go down but must always increase over time. earnings may also vary a little,that is normal,but not the number of sales.
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« on: May 15, 2024, 06:51 »
so far this May has the exact same number of sales as last year,also the exact same earnings. according to my data,sales should increase from May 20th and I will probably end the month 10-20% better than May 2023. most likely,in June I will have an increase of 40-50% and I foresee the same for July and August September I really don't know,will be an unpredictable month!
471
« on: May 13, 2024, 05:15 »
I think next month June
472
« on: May 11, 2024, 09:18 »
as I have already said,I am in favor of the petition,I hope it will be accepted.
I think creating using AI is a good thing,but placing a limit on the AI content that can be uploaded is an equally good thing.
I believe that 500 AI contents in queue per account are more than enough,it seems like a good wide limit to me.
but in any case mine is a limited vision,while Adobe has a broader vision of the situation,so I'm more than sure that they will do the best thing.
Just to clarify, queue limit does not mean less submission volume, if those 500 images are reviewed each day will bring much more content online than 3001 in queue reviewed once monthly. The presence of queue have diferent purpose.
I think that 500 AI content in queue is a fair limit,considering the rejections(which I believe is around 30-50% on average for AI content)and that it takes 15-30 days on average for revisions. from what I read in the petition nothing is specified in this regard and perhaps it should be more specific. it is only written this:"We ask Adobestock to impose a restrictive limit on the submission of AI-generated content,so as to also offer real content fairly and to encourage new AI artists to send only a few images with greater attention to quality". credo sia meglio specificare quale limite volete chiedere.
473
« on: May 11, 2024, 05:24 »
then as I already said,in my opinion basing a portfolio only on AI is a mistake in the long term,just as not making AI content is a mistake too!
Your positioning is clear. And you have some nerve to intervene on this post. 
You should look for the post with the petition: "Come on people! Signing! PRO AI" 
or go and pour out your views on the numerous posts that praise all the advantages of AI
Unfortunately, the vast majority of those who still speak here are won over by AI.
Otherwise, the approach of this petition is commendable. But, I doubt Adobe will change its policy, they enjoy an all-powerful situation. And they dare to talk about ethics...
as I have already said,I am in favor of the petition,I hope it will be accepted. I think creating using AI is a good thing,but placing a limit on the AI content that can be uploaded is an equally good thing. I believe that 500 AI contents in queue per account are more than enough,it seems like a good wide limit to me. but in any case mine is a limited vision,while Adobe has a broader vision of the situation,so I'm more than sure that they will do the best thing.
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« on: May 11, 2024, 05:10 »
I appreciate the spirited discussion. Please know that we are regularly reviewing our policies and we are looking into this.
Thank you,
Mat Hayward
Mat, is this all you can say about my case?
We need to wait for when you are once again reviewing your policies. You will add to the rules: DO NOT USE OTHER PEOPLE'S IMAGES FOR img2img. And what will this change? If it can't be proven, then this rule won't make any difference.
Can you confirm that now Adobe allows using others' images as prompts for img2img? And these two authors will continue to sell works that I believe were generated unfairly.
The only thing Adobe has suggested to me is to prove that the images were used as prompts. But it's impossible to do. How can I defend myself in this case? And Adobe doesn't want to help me with this. But they could. Adobe could have asked the author for evidence of how they generated their AI images.
Maybe it's time to openly start discussing this issue. Not just making podcasts about how great it is to generate AI cartoon characters with seven fingers, but also podcasts, interviews, surveys about the issue of AI images on Adobe?
I understand your frustration,but you were just told that the policies will be reviewed and that they are investigating the problem,so I think perhaps you should be more than satisfied? the problem will be solved and most likely you won't be asked for any proof of anything. Of course,there are problems,and there will be many more,but what matters is the will to solve these problems. let's not forget that until last year AI content was not yet accepted,so it is a new path for Adobe too,and with time everything will certainly be regulated in a better way. the important thing is the will to do it,and Adobe clearly has this will.
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« on: May 10, 2024, 15:56 »
@SuperPhoto And what is this limit?I think it was said 3000 contents max in queue?if so It's too high. Yes...even Santa Claus and Thor too probably has 50 accounts! but this doesn't matter,because these accounts are terminated by Adobe sooner or later.
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