I dont think anyone really knows.
Personally I doubt it would affect anything.
With the millions of images in a site I would imagine that 99% of a buyers needs are met by the one site and so would think most buyers have 1, maybe 2 accounts and that is all they use.  I would guess the majority of buyers on the middle/lower tiered sites are quite happy using that site and would not see a need to go to the top tier sites very often. My guess is that it is predominately different customers at different sites.
(I also think that if your images are that unique that buyers are going to searching through all the sites to specifically find yours those images should be RM.)

With no real knowledge
I would guess that potential for the number sales to be quite small and not worth the effort for micro, especially given limited options for editorial and if quality is an issue.
I would hope to go fewer but bigger sales and put them on rights managed in a macro library (I'd just use Alamy but there are probably better places?)

Quote from: cybernesco on January 31, 2013, 17:58
According to Lobo we should get another response soon


Posted By koi88:

Are they even trying to stop this? Has anybody officially said something like: "Oops, this whole Google thing has not turned out the way we wanted. Sorry! We'll try to find a way out."

Lobo:

We will have a follow up to this discussion very soon.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6833817

friday night dump and run? new communication regime, same as the old...

sony rx1 is supposed to be excellent.

I havent submitted any shots from it yet, but as far as I concerned the shots coming out of the sony rx100 at low iso / good light are good enough for stock. Fits in my pocket - Amazing little camera.

Quote from: Suljo on January 31, 2013, 01:16
So do you think is it normal to receive 46-54 cents from XS P+ image.
I look thru my P+ image sales and I can say they are around 50 cents for XSmall.
While from 6$ it will must be about 1$_

Istock pay on the net price, after they have taken their costs out.
They wont say what their costs are or how much the net percentage is, so you will never get 17% of a sale price, looks like you are getting 10-12% of the sale price

Four Worms in Church
(Four worms and a lesson to be learned !!!)


A Minister decided that a visual demonstration would add emphasis to his Sunday sermon.

Four worms were placed into four separate jars.

The first worm was put into a container of alcohol.

The second worm was put into a container of cigarette smoke.

The third worm was put into a container of chocolate syrup.

The fourth worm was put into a container of good, clean soil.

At the conclusion of the sermon, the Minister reported the following results:

The first worm in alcohol ... Dead.



The second worm in cigarette smoke ... Dead.





The third worm in chocolate syrup ... Dead.




The fourth worm in good, clean soil ... Alive .

So the Minister asked the congregation, "What did you learn from this demonstration?"


Maxine was sitting in the back and quickly raised her hand and said,

"As long as you drink, smoke, and eat chocolate, you won't have worms!"

That pretty much ended the service !!

Quote from: Jonathan Ross on January 29, 2013, 03:56
How did the frog cross the road?

He was stapled to a chicken

J

that's not very nice, I like frogs

Dont know how true these are...

(On September 17, 1994, Alabama's Heather Whitestone was selected as Miss America 1995.)

Question: If you could live forever, would you and why?
Answer: 'I would not live forever, because we should not live forever, because if we were supposed to live forever, then we would live forever, but we cannot live forever, which is why I would not live forever,'
--Miss Alabama in the 1994 Miss USA contest.

Wynona Rider, "I feel my best when I'm happy."

'Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life,'
-- Brooke Shields, during an interview to become spokesperson for federal anti-smoking campaign.

'I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body,'
--Winston Bennett, University of Kentucky basketball forward.

'Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,'
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC.

'That lowdown scoundrel deserves to be kicked to death by a jackass, and I'm just the one to do it,'
--A congressional candidate in Texas.

'Half this game is ninety percent mental.'
--Philadelphia Phillies manager, Danny Ozark

'It isn't pollution that's harming the environment It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.' --Al Gore, Vice President

'I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix.'
-- Dan Quayle

'We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?'
--Lee Iacocca

'The word 'genius' isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.'
--Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback & sports analyst

'We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of people.'
-- Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC Instrutor.

'Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances.'
--Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina

'Traditionally, most of Australia's imports come from overseas.'
--Keppel Enderbery

'If somebody has a bad heart, they can plug this jack in at night as they go to bed and it will monitor their heart throughout the night. And the next morning, when they wake up dead, there'll be a record.'
--Mark S. Fowler, FCC Chairman

Hi,

looks nice.
I'm trying again at getting it setup, like you I have found it very hard to modify templates and had to start changing php to get what I want.

I entered heart in you page, then grey heart and it worked ok with 2 keywords? I also tried with the search on the left adding one word then the other and that worked as well?

Quote from: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 13:06

Quote from: Phil on January 25, 2013, 12:56
Is there anywhere that google says what you can and cant do with the images 'beyond just personal and commercial use'?

Apparently not for general consumption, though it's been requested several times in Sean's thread over there. I guess if you used GoogleDrive, you'd have to be able to see the T&C. If not, even their suggestion that people can only use them within GD is even more farcical than it seems at first sight.
Someone suggested on the iStock thread that if someone sent Google a DMCA, they would surely get the EULA in reply.

I've been looking for it within google docs etc, all I can find is the general use of images (the just because you found doesnt mean you can use it) and googles overall eula for all their products, software (inc google drive) etc, nothing in that comes close.
From what I can see at this point google just say personal and commercial use with no specification including that they have to be used in google docs - it appears that I could grab them, put them on my site and resell them, just like you can with public domain etc (obviously not resell in the micros though because of copyright holder).

Is there anywhere that google says what you can and cant do with the images 'beyond just personal and commercial use'?

lol.

just got the email from hibob123 <[email protected]> - my computer decided it was junk mail

see he now has 2307 images and about 500 photographers signed up

Quote from: cybernesco on January 23, 2013, 18:26

QuoteYes but does it really matter how it came about, secondary isnt it?  The trad agencies knew all about electronically, digitally transmitted pics, photo-journalists worked like that long before we started it.
I remember a big meeting in  London, Stones office at Worldwide house and where Mark-Getty explained the future of digitals, etc, some 150 photographers were invited, etc. That was in 1993 but they put it at rest simply because they knew it was a risk of destroying. So you see its nothing new at all.

Im afriad whats happening now goes with the territory, we have had our 10 years and more and sooner or later things will change, the pitty is that in our business it always seem to change for the worse. We are but pawns in a corporate world.

The shoe is now on the other foot, we are threatend and we dont like it. Simple as that really.
Do you remember?  few years back we were all talking about planB or a way out.  well looks like its here.

Yes but does it really matter how it came about, secondary isnt it?

Yes it does one is evolution and the other one is illegal

That was in 1993 but they put it at rest simply because they knew it was a risk of destroying. So you see its nothing new at all.

I am 56 years old and I always have been an avid computer and internet user since its beginning and I am absolutly certain there is no way in 1993 anybody could have predicted the last 8 years .  It would have been impossible to predict the convergence of two industries which are the internet and digital cameras to give opportunities to such a wide audience. Furthermore, the speed of the internet in this is very important. In 1993, most of us had dialed-up from 16 to 56kbs (kilo byte per second) . Have you ever tryed to upload just a 1MB file at between 16 and 56kbs.... Do you think in 1993 we knew how fast internet would be now?

in 1994 a coworker brought in a 2mb jpg picture he'd been given. Zipped across two floppy disks it took ages to extract and unzip onto the hard drive. It then took the pentium 90 machine about 30-40 minutes to bring it up on screen. It was pic of red bird that had been scanned. I can picture the software but cant remember what it was called, I remember we discussed the new acdsee software
At the end of the year, parliament house in canberra put 5 pcs on seperate network in the parliamentary library and gave them a link to the internet (I think it was a shared dialup connection, but have been a 64k isdn link). 5 internet machines for 3000-4000 staff, I never once saw all 5 being used and often none were being used.
- Funny the things you remember

Quote from: wolfman on January 21, 2013, 22:39
One of my facebook friends just posted your article to their page, and another said they knew nothing about this. I'd encourage everyone here to let your networks on facebook and twitter know about this, flood the #istockphoto #istock twitter hashtag with this info the more people that know the more effect this will have....

Another one is istock friends list for those who dont check forums

Quote from: lisafx on January 19, 2013, 17:26

Quote from: cybernesco on January 19, 2013, 17:23
Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or you cut loose....your choice.

The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.

who runs the microstock time stats page? http://www.microstocktime.com/
their last update on istock was June 6 could be interesting to get an update if they are interested in doing it

The commission is also based on the NET price.

The kinds of items that we net from the payment include taxes or other withholdings, refunds, bad debts and currency hedging. (from http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349689&page=1)

so you dont actually get 15+%. With their noncommittal answer who knows what the real percentage is?

cool, thanks

Quote from: sharpshot on January 17, 2013, 18:08

Quote from: Elenathewise on January 17, 2013, 15:49

Quote from: lisafx on January 16, 2013, 21:19

Quote from: Elenathewise on January 16, 2013, 17:04

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I have stuff on TS through Ingram Publishing - they already courteously agreed to remove my images. They have way more of my images than Istock does.
Sent a request to Getty to remove all my PC RF files.
Tetra is a different story, needs different approach... working on it.

I forgot about Ingram, just sent them a request.  I wish all the sites had a nice list of all the 3rd party sites they use with an opt-out option.  Some do, like YayMicro and Zoonar, it's so nice to be able to have some control over my portfolio.  I was going to stop uploading new images to alamy this year but after recent events, I'll be working on my non-microstock portfolio there again.

Zoonar have a straight getty option that puts them on. Zoonar also had a partner program with photolibrary. Photolibrary got bought out by Getty and images that were in the partner program are on thinkstock. As zoonar arent adding anything to photolibrary anymore the partner management options have been removed. To get them off, you have email Zoonar with the image numbers so that they can remove them.  (Thomas from zoonar was very friendly about it, explained how my images were there, how we were told about it and how they are happy to remove them if desired).

they also have a daily upload limit, which is a pain for putting up whole ports

785 gone, the remaining 480 will go on feb 2

Quote from: sharpshot on January 13, 2013, 15:48

Quote from: vlad_the_imp on January 13, 2013, 13:30

QuoteUnfortunately people prefer to complain about istock and do little or nothing about it.  I hope this time its different but I don't understand the point in taking expensive drawn out time consuming legal action that might fail when we could sink istock in a month by leaving and promoting a much better site.

Do you honestly think you could sink iStock in a month by leaving? Of course not, because 99% of people would not follow you, and that includes me. Fine words about withdrawing work and fine if you earn a coupe of hundred a month there, if you make a few thousand a month and support your family, realistically, do you think people in that position are going to pull their work? You may not like them or how they do business, but they have a lot of people by the balls.

Don't be silly, did you miss the word "we"?  Of course I know that a few individuals like me leaving isn't going to make a difference.  That's why I used the word "we".  It needs to be the majority of big portfolio contributors.  I think it's the people earning a few thousand a month that need to leave the most.  If they carry on doing deals like this Google one, they're not going to be making that for long.  They only have people by the balls because they haven't got the guts to do something about it.

I can't really afford to leave but if there was enough of us, it would be worth giving it a try.  At the moment I'm starting to think it's just not worth bothering with microstock anymore or reading istock threads in this forum.  The only ideas people are coming up with are stopping uploading, that's failed before and legal action, that's failed before.  I hope attitudes change, or it looks like it's not going to be possible for anyone to make much selling microstock soon.

If there's a big group of us willing to leave istock, I'm in, otherwise I'll just concentrate on making money from photography other than microstock.

I agree, I've deleted 2/3rds of my portfolio so far and maybe half a dozen others have said they are leaving but unless a large of people do it, it doesnt mean a lot. I dont think legal action or asking getty to be nice will work.

Quote from: jm on January 13, 2013, 08:43

QuoteAre these images only Istock/TS? Or do they include other micro site images? One of mine is in there but that image has been deactivated on Istock years ago.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818717

This is another thing that I'm afraid of. I deactivated some of the MR images on iS site but I really can't be sure that it means that they can't appear on Google Drive in near future yet from TS or photos.com - as mentioned also in this thread:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/account-closed-over-1yr-ago-still-selling-images-with-no-payment/

Before we knew we were getting screwed and we put up with it. Unfortunately its only now we have discovered that it was unprotected and it is only luck or time before catching something 

Quote from: luissantos84 on January 13, 2013, 02:30

Quote from: jm on January 12, 2013, 22:47
https://plus.google.com/+GoogleDrive/posts/6p2e3FTeKL4?e=EmbedsDocumentObject

Luis - you knew it and didn't warn us! 

not the only one there that is active in this forum, I believe I had in mind posting it here but I was thinking that idea wouldn't take place... I have forgotten it pretty quickly

A few of us commented coming from the link on msg and were generally pessimistic but didnt know the details

http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/has-anyone-seen-this-google-is-curating-their-own-stock-photo-library/msg267148/#msg267148

half my port is gone, wow it is boring especially on a slow hotel connection. They should make the deactivate screen more interesting

* censorship, putting *'s in when I say *. *, *, * 

Quote from: emblem on January 12, 2013, 11:38
So they are worth submitting to in your opinion?

yes, but I've noticed a lot of E0.16 sales that are not impressive, so I going to watch some more