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« on: July 18, 2023, 19:36 »
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It seems that Adobe moderation team is based outside USA considering that they are not familiar with Amazon logo. 
?? i have international buyers as an amazon seller & can set up separate amazon accts to sell directly in CA, UK, etc markets here's an example of amazon prime 1 day delivery in India 
502
« on: July 17, 2023, 13:32 »
i was on WS from the start, dealing w their terrible review process & multiple bugs in submitting process (they'd keep playing whack-la-bug with interface w/o bothering to test what its effects were on the rest of the interface.
so i never considered paying more for a 'premium' service so i stopped uploading - and now they ONLY have a premium & NO free submissions
503
« on: July 17, 2023, 13:25 »
Currently working on a series with specific types of tea and I can maybe use 5% of the results.
If you just want some kind of cup with a hot drink, that is easy, but if you want something specific the results are horrible.
But perhaps Midjourney would give perfect results, who knows.
when i asked for making omelets on flames of a gas stove i ended up with flaming omelets - great presentation. (in RL i discovered that if I add wine to a skillet after removing a steak, the wine will burst into flames)
504
« on: July 15, 2023, 14:03 »
Even taking into account port size difference, Shutterstock is well ahead of Adobe so far this month.
i've only had one month in past 2 years where AS outperformed SS often by factor of 2 (tho the $5 has closed the gap) my SS port is 2x AS, mostly because AS doesn't accept editorial. they also, have a tougher review, even tho their rejects sell on SS. another large factor is as rejects a series of very different images as similars because they were taken at the same time. I think it's better to offer buyers a choice among images rather than trying to guess which one they like. I'd rath er have 5 images w 2 sales each than 1 image with 7 sales my DT port is 50% more than AS but only about 25% of income
505
« on: July 15, 2023, 13:50 »
The Microstock Agencies could start pruning the unused content: If you photo was not sold during last year, it will be deleted.
that's counterproductive for agencies - they all tout how many millions of images they have (they never post how many are unsold) AS has the $5 bonus for non-productive images they think have value, but they don't delete anything
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« on: July 11, 2023, 14:04 »
I doubt this. People also worried about this when mobile phones started to have excellent image quality.
I never worried about that - Because 1) I do not know a single phone that takes photos of "excellent image quality". The lens is simply not big enough and no matter how good the softwear gets, the hardwear will always have that limitation. 2) Taking a good photo was never primarly about just having good equipment. I am startled about how many people here use the "taking a photo is just pushing a button" argument when defending AI images. Strange. If it is really "just pushing a button", why does pretty much every single person I know constantly aks me to take photos of their wedding, their birthday party, their new born child, their pet, products they want to sell and pretty much everything else? And when I am fed up with it and simply want to give them my camera so they can do it themselves suddenly it is "Uhm, no, you do it, my photos do not turn out like yours".
So, maybe not just pushing a button after all?
all true, but that argument is mostly a riposte to those who claim AI needs no input from the artist. And it's also true of AI - it's not just about writing a prompt and many folk will not want to use AI (for a variety of reasons) so i think ms itself will still fulfill a need, but the return to artists may force them to adapt or drop by the wayside (where they'll strangle in all those buggy whips and unspooling Betamax tapes)
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« on: July 11, 2023, 13:55 »
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While I agree to an extent, 1x Horse buggy driver = 1x car driver (to an extent). AI = potentially millions of lost jobs with minimal new opportunities to replace it. I mean, how many AI programers will be needed. When mechanical equipment replaced the horse and cart on the farm, there were a lot of new jobs coming up to replace the massive job losses in the countryside. I really don't see a massive increase in new jobs to replace all the jobs lost.
I think a lot of political figures etc are starting to realise the implications now. The same as they cheered home working because of its environmental benefits only to backpedal when they realised how many city centre jobs would be lost. The lost Tax revenue of people not working has potential to cause massive problems to health and public services that are not directly effected by AI but due to the reduction in money will available due to lost taxes. You can't just tax companies otherwise they'll leave or invest elsewhere.
We are certainly entering a challenging phase, I just need to get by for 10-12 years before I retire but, I really feel for the young going forward with fewer jobs available and more and more people fighting for them.
the biggest problem when facing automation changes is that most thinking is within the box of our capitalist system that results in vast inequality. enormous profits go to shareholders & owners & employers squeezed from the work of others. redistribution (aka tax the rich) would allow a softer landing for the displaced with job training, education and as a last resort guaranteed incomes. it's not an impossible path, in theory. but it would require major changes in the US, less so in EU, but those in power have no incentive to make any changes. i dont have a major stake in the future, but as you say, there's concern for the next generations; so i support progressive movements pushing the rock up the hill -=- I retired early from my previous career in online gaming (in the 80s) & other computer consulting to pursue other interests. my current income is low but i don't have major expenses. my ms sales pay for some of my travel
508
« on: July 11, 2023, 13:38 »
Ive just had that for a lighthouse now. No text.
i just got one for a cobblestone path with potted flowers on the edges
509
« on: July 11, 2023, 13:37 »
I have plenty above 1 dollar, however being in the UK and Adobe changing the currency i now receive at least a 25% loss overall due to Adobe.
i still have a difficult time understanding this. when you get a sale is it in $ or euro? if sale lists $, where's the loss? if sale shows euro, how does it compare to similar sale in $ for non-EU? and euro over dollar is only 10%
Im in UK and Adobe used to show the earnings in pound sterling and payments in pound sterling.....£1 sales are now shown as 1 dollar sales so after conversion I receive about 75p as opposed to £1......about a 25% loss....
And it is a bit dodgy regarding Adobes work practice as Adobe charge customers in the UK in Pound Sterling but pay their contributors in dollars so Adobe must keep 25% of UK contributors money now......
You seem to be under the impression you were getting £1 for each $1.... you weren't. They converted $1 to £0.75 automatically no matter what the exchange rate was. In otherwords, we were losing money a lot of the time. Now, we're actually earning more as the current conversion rates are above 0.75.
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exactly - that seems to be the misconception of most who have been claiming they should have made more
510
« on: July 11, 2023, 13:35 »
I have plenty above 1 dollar, however being in the UK and Adobe changing the currency i now receive at least a 25% loss overall due to Adobe.
i still have a difficult time understanding this. when you get a sale is it in $ or euro? if sale lists $, where's the loss? if sale shows euro, how does it compare to similar sale in $ for non-EU? and euro over dollar is only 10%
It is in $ for everyone now, but it's was simpyl converted 1:1, so instead of 1 we now get 1$.
And it may only be 10% to you, but not to PayPal (they never use the official exchange rate, but always one that is much worse for customers) and it can easily translate into a large amount.
Last month I got around $1200 from Adobe. Previously that would have been 1200. But instead only around 1050 on my PayPal account, so I lost 150. ...
no, that 1050 is $1155 dollars, so it's about a $50 dollar loss - an exchange rate of about 4%. paypal uses the official exchange rate, but then adds a 4.5% fee; still substantial though
https://ppcurrencyconverter.com/
I think I know better than you what amount is shown in my Paypal account, don't you think? I lost 150.
ok - it's not the amount you rec'd for paypal, but i thought you were claiming the loss was due to conversion, not AS change in reporting. do you know that $1200 would h ave been 1200 previously? how? i couldnt fgind a way to see individual sale prices on AS but you havent answered my original question - earlier when a sale was $1 for US, what was the amount you received? if you did get 1 while we got $1 then you were getting a bonus that AS has now adjusted or are prices for buyers different in EU & US?. or were you getting .9 for a $1 sale?
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« on: July 10, 2023, 14:34 »
I have plenty above 1 dollar, however being in the UK and Adobe changing the currency i now receive at least a 25% loss overall due to Adobe.
i still have a difficult time understanding this. when you get a sale is it in $ or euro? if sale lists $, where's the loss? if sale shows euro, how does it compare to similar sale in $ for non-EU? and euro over dollar is only 10%
Im in UK and Adobe used to show the earnings in pound sterling and payments in pound sterling.....£1 sales are now shown as 1 dollar sales so after conversion I receive about 75p as opposed to £1......about a 25% loss....
And it is a bit dodgy regarding Adobes work practice as Adobe charge customers in the UK in Pound Sterling but pay their contributors in dollars so Adobe must keep 25% of UK contributors money now......
no loss - your 75p is $1 even w a paypal conversion fee of 2.5% https://ppcurencyconverter.com/so you're not losing anything on the conversion the question is, before the change, did you receive £1 when others rec'd $1? if so, then you were getting a bonus that Adobe has now eliminated
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« on: July 10, 2023, 14:22 »
I have plenty above 1 dollar, however being in the UK and Adobe changing the currency i now receive at least a 25% loss overall due to Adobe.
i still have a difficult time understanding this. when you get a sale is it in $ or euro? if sale lists $, where's the loss? if sale shows euro, how does it compare to similar sale in $ for non-EU? and euro over dollar is only 10%
It is in $ for everyone now, but it's was simpyl converted 1:1, so instead of 1 we now get 1$.
And it may only be 10% to you, but not to PayPal (they never use the official exchange rate, but always one that is much worse for customers) and it can easily translate into a large amount.
Last month I got around $1200 from Adobe. Previously that would have been 1200. But instead only around 1050 on my PayPal account, so I lost 150. ...
no, that 1050 is $1155 dollars, so it's about a $50 dollar loss - an exchange rate of about 4%. paypal uses the official exchange rate, but then adds a 4.5% fee; still substantial though https://ppcurrencyconverter.com/ Money that Adobe just gets to keep, because they have not reduced prices for their European customers.
but my question is still, when earlier an image was sold for $1 did you get 1, or .9?
513
« on: July 10, 2023, 14:05 »
.... But I think artists should get money - A LOT of money for the damage that using their work has caused and that just "removing" one image from the training set once the damage has already been done is not helping.
evidence such damage has occurred? how do you determine damage? esp'ly when it's based on one image among millions used for the training set? and, as you've noted, new images don't directly reference any image. any claim needs to be based on the original collection used for training as a matter of copyright
514
« on: July 10, 2023, 13:59 »
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If you put out something for commercial use that looks like something that is copyright protected...then the ai scrapers could continue to scrape the entire internet.
Music, text and image producers would the have to keep looking for similars of their work and sue the way they do it now.
This solution would be what the agencies would love.
We will see what happens.
there are already many thousands of similar images in any database - does the first to photograph the taj mahal at dawn get to ban all others taken from the same place? how do you claim copyright for sliced tomatoes?
515
« on: July 09, 2023, 12:50 »
I have plenty above 1 dollar, however being in the UK and Adobe changing the currency i now receive at least a 25% loss overall due to Adobe.
i still have a difficult time understanding this. when you get a sale is it in $ or euro? if sale lists $, where's the loss? if sale shows euro, how does it compare to similar sale in $ for non-EU? and euro over dollar is only 10%
516
« on: July 07, 2023, 14:36 »
And yet, customers love to buy them.
Are the customers stupid?
Why are they buying ai images instead of the real world and real people?
There is enough great people content everywhere.
most buyers likely don't know whether images are ai generated or not & don't care if they do know. the want an image that maces their needs why would you call them stupid?
517
« on: July 05, 2023, 19:20 »
so basically the artist is giving the buyer the (extra) finger? on MJ today - asked for surgeon & brain surgery & got a surgeon stitching up what i hope is a chicken  on plus side, MJ showed me 3 women ( 1 of color) & one androgynous then found a Darwin with 5 fingers, but writing his journal with a pen in each hand
518
« on: July 05, 2023, 13:24 »
If you only look at photos.
But if you look at illustrations there is all kinds of artsy eiffel tower or bridges images.
Obviously many ai images are simply badly done, but in principle illustrations are art and dont have to depict the real world.
They also combine well known landmarks into one image, for travel and tourism for instance.
Art can do whatever it wants. It just has to be clearly labeled.
it's likely that many reviewers don't know the actual landmark so the image with a single tower gets accepted. there's no excuse for the second it's mind boggling that images like these are accepted while many others are being rejected for non-specified quality that may have only minor defects (recently SS was rejecting for 'exposure' images that were accepted when re-sub with a case # for a human's review)
519
« on: July 05, 2023, 13:17 »
True, but with photographs that say they are of specific places - the Colosseum, Eiffel Tower, Big Ben, Golden Gate Bridge, Bridgewater Place (Leeds, UK), Venice, Greece, etc. - they actually are.
One of the many problems with the AI content gold rush is that agencies set rules saying not to identify AI images as of real places or people, but they're not enforcing them.
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AI Golden Gate Bridges (there are many more)
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If it looks realistic, it needs to be accurately labeled. Given accuracy is something AI can't handle, the agency rules - don't label actual places or people - make sense.
it's a breakthru in architecture using skyhooks for a suspension bridge!
And don't label body parts when they're (a) inaccurate and (b) gross - warning: don't click on this if you're squeamish.
looks like something from H. R. Giger alien collexction
520
« on: July 05, 2023, 12:55 »
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Wow and thanks for that deep answer. But that wasn't the question.
I had an image rejected, that went into the Data Catalog and there's no way to delete it. They arbitrarily have assumed control of my image and I can't remove it.
If I had blocked all data use, of course, that's easy, but I hadn't. They just introduced this new program, without notice.
I'll try again: How do I delete an image that was put into the Data Catalog by SSTK?
a troubling aspect is they don't say why an image was rejected & send to dataset limbo -- many rejections have simple fixes & are accepted when re0sub mitted
521
« on: June 27, 2023, 16:19 »
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« on: June 26, 2023, 19:57 »
Got paid today, simlar amount in numbers as i got paid last time... Yet thanks to getting paid in $ now in EU i basically recived 100 less....
do i understand correctly? they paid you $5/image but you were expecting 5 /image?
523
« on: June 26, 2023, 19:55 »
rec'd email & payment for 73 images today - a bit more than last year
thanks again Adobe!
524
« on: June 26, 2023, 19:46 »
...We need a comparable percentage of sales. .... I look forward to similar comparisons from those who sell content with AI.
why would anyone reply to the suggestions of someone who may not even HAVE a portfolio! continued complaining when you don't give actual examples from a portfolio make it impossible for AS or others to respond to questions.
525
« on: June 25, 2023, 18:16 »
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Another example: shooting film is severely on the rise again. Ever wondered why?
Why do people love classic cars?
Why do travel agencies struggle in selling their all inclusive resorts?
Why do many people remove social apps on their phone, sometimes even abandon them, or at least start using them very responsible?
People embrace tech, but there is always room for the real deal.
It's what defines our identity, makes us human, is what's life is all about I guess.
Mastering and owning authenticity is extremely valuable.
But maybe not for stock. I honestly don't know.
you need some better examples! nothing about film is more 'authentic' - authentic is painting in caves. and film is never going to compete w digital. people may 'love' classic cars, but that's not what they use to commute everyday or go on vacation i deal in a tiny travel industry niche but many agent friends specialize in all-inclusives. the internet has allowed you to replace travel agents to create customized itineraries and the margin for travel agents to compete there decreases. but the upscale market for all-inclusive or high end cruises & tours appeals to a different cohort. 'authenticity' may be ONE factor that makes us human, but when discussing stock it's beside the point.
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