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« on: April 19, 2023, 01:36 »
577
« on: April 18, 2023, 05:26 »
What's going on there? 5 minutes later + nearly 2 million files???
haven't you heard? SS is now using chatGPT to generate their reports
578
« on: April 16, 2023, 06:19 »
Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks
really funny - same people who whine about not getting paid for using their images now complain when someone tries to pay them?
579
« on: April 16, 2023, 05:18 »
Was anyone able to upload images created by Midjourney to Adobe since they are not 4 megapixels?
have you read ANY of these threads? it's been answered many times..
580
« on: April 16, 2023, 05:14 »
Generative Ai stock images should be separated to a different stock site, they should not mix with real photos and paintings and real human art....
who determines what's real? or what's art? no more useless than millions of uninspired shots from ai-assisted cameras from people who think they're artists because they can press abutton if you can't compete in a changing world, dont blame the tools! stop whinging & make way for those who can and buyers dont care how an image is made as long as it fits their needs
581
« on: April 06, 2023, 14:04 »
then something anyone creates with AI is also protected
Only that no one can create anything with AI. All you can do is describe the image, the AI creates it.
complete nonsense - how many times have you produced a salable image that easily? again, we cant tell when people refuse to show their portfolios, but it may be that those complaining AI creators arent artists are already having trouble competing in the stock photography market. it's irrelevant with stock photography. one could argue that much salable stock photography is not really 'art' and isnt created because the 'non-artist' just has to point their phone & click.
582
« on: April 06, 2023, 13:56 »
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Which brings up the next complication. If something is automatically protected by copyright, by being created, then something anyone creates with AI is also protected. It just can't be registered.
exactly
583
« on: April 06, 2023, 13:52 »
... And every time the Luddites succumbed while the ones who were quick enough to jump on the new horse prospered.
until we replaced horses
584
« on: April 05, 2023, 19:03 »
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The Federal Circuit adopted a comparable stance for AI invention in the patent context in Thaler v. Vidal, Appeal No. 2021-2347 (Fed. Cir. Aug. 5, 2022). Writing for the court, Circuit Judge Stark proclaimed, there is no ambiguity: the Patent Act requires that inventors must be natural persons; that is, human beings.
My Bold...
really just shows how far behind these agencies are -- it ignores the real question of whether someone using a tool can be a creator/inventor (and of course, no artist is trying to patent their AI creations)
585
« on: April 01, 2023, 12:45 »
I haven't used it as 1024 pixels appears far too small to upload to a stock agency so not much point to it......
yet many of us somehow manage to get our images accepted always glad to have one less competitor..
586
« on: April 01, 2023, 12:41 »
"Rights You give to Midjourney
By using the Services, You grant to Midjourney, its successors, and assigns a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, sublicensable no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare Derivative Works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute text, and image prompts You input into the Services, or Assets produced by the service at Your direction. This license survives termination of this Agreement by any party, for any reason."
So Midjourney can legally sublicense any assets produced using it? And these rights pass onto anyone buying it in future?
so, critics complain a company is at fault for being non-transparent, and now criticize a company for being transparent? you know this going in, and agree to their conditions (except for those who dont bother to read the TOS)
587
« on: April 01, 2023, 12:37 »
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Anthropomorphising the app is silly. It isnt learning in the same way as a human. Its taking and processing images via programming. Saying they dont use them directly is a bizarre concept when we are talking about images being loaded into any type of algorithm or app resulting in new images coming out the other end.
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MOST successful AI doesn't learn like a human but produces vastly superior results - champion GO & chess Ai dont even know the rules of the game! it's called emergent behavir
588
« on: April 01, 2023, 12:34 »
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Besides, the example and the white paper I showed you is another proof that you are wrong: when the training set is limited, AI may very well end up plagiarizing copyrighted work. So it doesn't generate only ideas and concepts, but also derivative work.
another strawwoman argument - the discussion was about massive AI training sets - of course giving it a limited dataset can produce what may be derivative work - but even submitting single images often produce unrecognizable results
589
« on: April 01, 2023, 12:29 »
Because following this logic all works created by people are also "derivative" then because artist creates them after he got inspired by a mix of many kinds of "copyrighted" things he has seen before! Nothing ever is born in the vacuum.
Wrong.
It's a long-standing law principle that copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something, while it differentiates all this from derivative work.
Obviously you are not a lawyer and you didn't do your homework.
but that's the whole point! AI work is not derivative in an rational sense & no one has yet given an example that shows such
590
« on: March 31, 2023, 13:37 »
same here - 60% higher earnings from SS over AS
591
« on: March 31, 2023, 13:35 »
midjourney temporarily halts free image trial
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1677533/midjourney-halts-free-trials-after-ai-photos-go-viral.html
Do not understand what the "AI-generated fake images that went viral" have to do with the free trial. It's not like the paid subscription will keep you from generating "fake images" - After all that's the whole point of midjourney.
"There's an expert .. who says that if there is not an indefinite pause on AI development ... 'Literally everyone on Earth will die,'"
sure.... and expert economists have predicted nine of the last 7 recessions and a few 'expert' biologists refuse to accept evolution and rightwing experts refuse to accept climate change [an example of expert blunders/ignorance, not meant to start any debates on those topics]
592
« on: March 31, 2023, 13:31 »
Derivative work is clearly what an AI is producing. in which case compensation isn't a nice thing to do it is a legal requirement. Adobe have not paid for any such license to use the work. They don't own the copywrite we do.
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not so clear - it's been shown many times that the actual generative AI does not use any images directly but creates an entirely new image from the training set. whether anyone has the right to use images scraped from the web is a separate issue, more theoretical, since any payment to authors for the training would be minuscule a tiny fraction of 100s of m at the same time writers & journalists arent complaining about scraping for trillions image examined dont know why some artists continue to propagate misleading info especially since there's really no upside. webscraping creates the dataset but the results of those GPT bots do not violate anyone's copyright, again because the AI generates completely new text w/o using the training data
593
« on: March 29, 2023, 12:23 »
As an example, except for styling and something specific arrangements, most common, useful, stock food photos, will be unnecessary. The demand will be fulfilled by AI....
It's also possible that most of the stock photo agencies will be a thing of the past. No longer necessary and who needs to search through millions of images for "that perfect image" when they can create what they want, on demand? AI will cost less as well. No subscription for 750 images a month needed.
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but food, nature, travel, etc are already over represented and few can make much money in those areas, so AI wont make much difference but the bigger mistake here is assuming that buyers are as tech savvy as many here - many still dont know how to deal with their phones or the tv remote - expecting all buyer to immediately start producing their own content isn't logical - they'd have to hire additional designers to actually create the initial images and THEN do, the post-processing required to make a usable image. stock agencies have hundreds of millions of images that they are not going to, discard overnight. so 1 year for the disappearance of agencies is wildly pessimistic, altho i do expect majopr changes over the next 5-10 years
594
« on: March 28, 2023, 12:59 »
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And manufacturers are extremely picky about the smallest detail, the perfect color match, etc, before they expose their new brand to the public.
So no, in such cases, AI will always be useless.
Of course, AI can be used to generate all sorts of enhancements using that initial real product photo, but that real product photo with perfect lighting, perfect color match, etc, will still be needed.
Those AI survivalists will be in short supply once the majority will give up, so I expect such rare skills to be better paid than today.
yes, there be a culling, leaving the most creative artists. Folk have been complaining for years about agencies being flooded with low quality images - AI is another form of evolution in action
595
« on: March 27, 2023, 13:05 »
Product photography. For new products. AI can't replace it.
You are more optimistic than I am. You can upload a snapshot cell phone photo to midjourney, give it instructions and it will create something for you. No product photographer needed.
I don't think it would work for product photography yet, because MJ doesn't do texts and writes in its own alien language, so every product packing with text on it would not work ...
actually, given the silly instructions that often come with products it looks like a poor version of AI has been at work for years
596
« on: March 27, 2023, 12:59 »
again, i'm waiting to hear what anyone claiming compensation expects to receive for their tiny contributions?
Tiny contribution? TINY CONTRIBUTION? Are you kidding me? Our unvoluntary contribution is EVERYTHING this AI is built on.
This is not tiny, this is my freakin' lifework. And if you want to know how much I want? I want what my microstock portfolio would have earned me for the rest of my life, had it not be stolen and used to train an AI to replace me, which will result in my portfolio being worthless and me being without any income and this would be something close to a 7-figure amount going by what I used to earn per month and how many years I can still expect to live. THAT'S how much my portfolio has been worth before AI image companies stole it.
you're going to be a bit disappointed if you expect even THREE figure compensation - and 'tiny' is not your subjective opinion - RYFM - i said tiny (should have said minuscule) compared to the total # of images involved and 7 figures for lifetime? how many artists even come close to that amount? we've seen long ago that what you earned years ago no longer predicts recent years, much less over a long life.
597
« on: March 26, 2023, 12:47 »
Today editorial photography is less profitable than commercial photography, also because of its reduced shelf life.
True, but my editorial photos only made like 5% of my income and my commercial ones 95%, so I don't really see how that's going to bring in enough income to live from, at least for me.
but that's been the trend for years as MS agencies reduced royalties. anyone who expected to make a living just from ms should have been aware of this for many years.
funny how those decrying AI say AI generated art (no quotes!) is poor quality are saying they can't compete with it!
Very few are saying it is poor quality. Anyone who thinks that needs to go on the Midjourney Community Showcase. The quality of the AI generated work is mind blowing. Way beyond anything posted here.
What some people are saying 1. that people generating the AI with prompts thinking they are brilliant artists is very silly (again go look at the Community Showcase on Midjouney and the prompts used to create the work before any further editing) ...
who has made a claim to be brilliant? and editorial doesnt mean low lifetime - shots w crowds, building signs etc are much more common and a steady sellers, even for decades old images (and yes some people images may show outdated costumes)
I also think 1. artists need to be compensated and compensated well for providing the inputs that actually made the AI possible.
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The only solution is legislation (after all our industry doesnt exist at all without IP laws). I am not in the EU but would encourage those that are to contact their representatives. I believe AI is being debated by them at the moment.
again, i'm waiting to hear what anyone claiming compensation expects to receive for their tiny contributions? and no legislation can be retroactive, so it may be a solution to future scraping, but can't affect what's been done. and anyone who thinks such legislation could pass in the current polarized US congress is living in a dreamworld
598
« on: March 26, 2023, 12:31 »
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« on: March 26, 2023, 12:27 »
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« on: March 25, 2023, 13:45 »
And remember that cascoly has said his SS portfolio is twice the size of his AS portfolio, so this isn't an apples:apples comparison
very true about the relative size, but not for RPD, and much of the difference is that AS doesn't accept editorials (i Dont know the % of sales of editorials ) AND here i was responding to a (quite common ) msg implying RPD for S was $.10 when in fact it's much higher for many of us. and the comparison is that the low raters on SS still keep them competitive for both RPD and income. AOCYMMV
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