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626
Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements...  (...)

just to clarify: with Elements do you mean SS Elements? or is there someone else?

Envato Elements.

627
If you read that post and interpreted it as crying and/or whining... then it's very apparent why we have such differing views! I thought I came across as quite upbeat in that post!

628
Yes, it's super strange that Storyblocks, Motion Array (possibly others) and now Elements... are all able to provide estimated earnings throughout the month. What crazy sorcery is this?!

(Just to clarify... it doesn't start at $290 at the beginning of the month and fluctuate up or down slightly depending on downloads... it starts at $0 and gradually increases throughout the month. Same with the Elements and Motion Array reports. So as we've completed just over 17 days of the month, I'm currently at $290, there's 31 days in the month, and I have 340 items... that's where I'm getting the $1.50 per month, per item from. It may be more or less than that, and it may be considerably less than that as time goes on... we'll see... but my estimated earnings last month were less than $3 off the actual earnings.)

However, I do love it how people who are strongly against the subscription model have been presented with information that goes against their preconceptions, so as a result... that means it's 'strange', I may be out by a factor of ten, I'm dreaming etc etc! I'm not preoccupied with selling to the bottom feeders... I'm preoccupied with selling to the top feeders, the middle feeders AND the bottom feeders.


629
Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

Please tell me how many clips do u have in the Member Library and how much money do u get ? an average per clip ? Thank u.

Early days, so hard to say for certain, but I'm on track to earn roughly $1.50 per clip this month. I have 340 items.

630
Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!
I`ll gladly promote your files on SB MS to everyone I know... you will be excited with returns... :)

Please do... that would be great.

631
Not since May, but I'm sure some people are. Now I'm receiving payments from the exciting new Member Library Program! It's a new opportunity for me to make as much money as possible from my content! Did you know that contributors are making more money and Storyblocks' customers are gaining access to great content?!

632
The payments they send out on the 15th of every month to people who've earned in the previous month.

633
Yeah, yesterday as well.

634
After Storyblocks's dead i decided to subscribe another site.
What's the best site for videos sellers in your opinion?
I like Adobe to, but i've a lot of editorials so it is quite limited for me. ::)

From what I understand, Pond5 specializes in video, which sells well there.

I can't speak to that, since I've just uploaded a few hundred videos there and am still awaiting my first sale in that department. (I've got many stills there, but compared to SS, AS, and the like, they hardly sell at all.)

Please excuse my ignorance, but why is Storyblocks dead...? Just getting started and also registered there. Would appreciate your reply!

EDIT: I guess it's related to what is being discussed here...?

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/next-step-videoblocksstoryblocks-exposure!/msg0/?topicseen#new

1. They increased the price to $79 rather than $49, so removed the only real USP of the marketplace... as they don't have the quality and quantity of the other big agencies. If it's $79 there and $79 elsewhere, but with more choice elsewhere... I think a lot of people went elsewhere.

2. Clips in the library seemed to be given precedence in the search over marketplace clips.

635
Another free year wouldn't go amiss!

636
Shutterstock.com / Re: How is this possible?
« on: July 14, 2019, 08:47 »
It's probably something to fall back on at the shareholders meeting if other metrics aren't looking as rosy... "sure, we didn't quite hit our financial growth figures, but hey... we have 42 billion more images than we did last year!"

637
Although they did have the library long before the marketplace.

638
There's an address on the bottom of the actual form. Although I'd assume you just need to file an updated W8 with the relevant agencies rather than filling that out. I could be wrong.

639
Yeah, what Jo said.

640


I dont think they have an unlimited plan, but they have very generous packages.

So far my average per download has gone up.


From 39$ per month you get unlimited download...

He's on about Twenty20

641
POINT #1 - 60% is NOT of their TOTAL revenue, but rather an ARBITRARY random number they pick out of thin air

the "membership pool" is NOT "60%" of storyblocks ENTIRE membership base. They make about $30 million+ year.
It is NOT a portion of that.

RATHER. It is some arbitrary number they pick out of the air to decide what to split amongst authors. RIGHT in their text, it says:
"Instead of members paying for clips a la carte in the Marketplace, they pay for a subscription to access content in our Member Library. We then create a Member Library Earnings pool, which we divide among all contributors who participate in the program based on how much of their content is downloaded."

So out of that $30 million, maybe they pick $50,000 to split amonst all authors. Maybe less. Maybe more. Chances are - they are
will use simple math to figure out what is the bare minimum they can pay people to get them to participate. But its REALLY important
to note, the 60% is NOT part of that "$30 million" in revenue.

I think this bit's wrong. Sure, the wording isn't exactly the best, but I'm pretty sure the 'we create a member library earnings pool' refers to the amount of money that's left after they've taken their 40%. I.e. the 60% is the pool. If it doesn't mean that, then why would they leave out the 60% cut part? As it stands, there's nothing in the description about that, so it gives the impression they distribute 100% of the earnings pool. The only thing that would make their description accurate would be if the pool is the 60%. I mean, I could be wrong... but you just seem super certain without any kind of supporting evidence other than your interpretation of a couple of sentences.

I don't think even Storyblocks would go so far as to have an earnings structure that's based on an amount of money they've just completely made up.

This membership library is a bit unique, since a big part of it consists of clips they have already paid for - so they will absolutely not share all their membership revenue...     ...The 60% of what 100% is a mystery, but we can be very sure it's not 60% of their entire subscription revenue, just a small part, either based on the amount of clips vs. buyouts, or simply something they decide.

I don't see why the 100% wouldn't be the total subscription revenue.. or why they wouldn't share 60% of the total subscription revenue. Sure, SB have a bunch of content that they already own or have licensed, but in the instances where one of their clips is downloaded rather than a contributor's clip... then it will be treated just as if it was one of your clips or my clips that had been downloaded. So they'll just get the share instead I.e. my clip... I get 60% and SB get 40%. Their clip... SB get 60% and SB get 40%.

So yeah, if all downloads in a month are from SB's existing collection... they'll be sharing 0% of the total subscription revenues. But if all downloads in a month are from member library partners... they'll be sharing 60% of the total subscription revenues. I can't see how else they'd do it without just 'making stuff up'.

642
POINT #1 - 60% is NOT of their TOTAL revenue, but rather an ARBITRARY random number they pick out of thin air

the "membership pool" is NOT "60%" of storyblocks ENTIRE membership base. They make about $30 million+ year.
It is NOT a portion of that.

RATHER. It is some arbitrary number they pick out of the air to decide what to split amongst authors. RIGHT in their text, it says:
"Instead of members paying for clips a la carte in the Marketplace, they pay for a subscription to access content in our Member Library. We then create a Member Library Earnings pool, which we divide among all contributors who participate in the program based on how much of their content is downloaded."

So out of that $30 million, maybe they pick $50,000 to split amonst all authors. Maybe less. Maybe more. Chances are - they are
will use simple math to figure out what is the bare minimum they can pay people to get them to participate. But its REALLY important
to note, the 60% is NOT part of that "$30 million" in revenue.

I think this bit's wrong. Sure, the wording isn't exactly the best, but I'm pretty sure the 'we create a member library earnings pool' refers to the amount of money that's left after they've taken their 40%. I.e. the 60% is the pool. If it doesn't mean that, then why would they leave out the 60% cut part? As it stands, there's nothing in the description about that, so it gives the impression they distribute 100% of the earnings pool. The only thing that would make their description accurate would be if the pool is the 60%. I mean, I could be wrong... but you just seem super certain without any kind of supporting evidence other than your interpretation of a couple of sentences.

I don't think even Storyblocks would go so far as to have an earnings structure that's based on an amount of money they've just completely made up.

643
It's a bit worrying that Adobe would deactivate someone's account without giving some kind of warning first. Especially when considering that Adobe hasn't seemed to be that strict about similar images/videos in the past. https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-similar-content/

Well the 'warning' is in the terms and conditions to be fair. I agree that it should be possible to sell flat versions and graded/colour corrected versions... but until Adobe change the rules, we're not allowed to.

Offering a graded and a non graded is a smart move and not spamming at all.


It's a smart move and not spamming if you're selling them on a site that allows duplicates... if you're selling them on a site that doesn't allow duplicates (like Adobe) then it's most definitely not a smart move. You can't seriously be saying that doing something which is likely to result in, and in this case has resulted in, your account getting blocked... is a smart move?

People talk without not knowing nothing.

Indeed. I think.

644
General Stock Discussion / Re: Deceased model
« on: July 04, 2019, 22:51 »
So what exactly did you mean when you said they were profiting from their tragedy? If that's not what you meant, then you didn't do the best job of explaining what you actually meant. If you shoot and upload content of somebody who is dead or dying then you're profiting from their tragedy, but in this instance, they're just continuing to profit after an unfortunate tragedy... a tragedy that will happen to every single person who's ever signed a model release. I think that's why myself and others are taking exception to what you've said, as your choice of words give the impression that you think they've specifically aimed to profit from the person's death.


645
General Stock Discussion / Re: Deceased model
« on: July 04, 2019, 20:57 »
I agree. Nothing before or after it altered the meaning, so it wasn't taken out of context at all. Profiting 'even after the tragedy' might work, but definitely not 'from the tragedy'. 

646
Send another email and check. Only they can say for certain. Surprised they're unblocking you just like that though... what was the purpose of blocking you in the first place? Just so they could give you the warning. Have they said they're going to unblock you? Did they give a timescale?

647
General Stock Discussion / Re: Deceased model
« on: July 03, 2019, 21:21 »
There are few valid reasons reason why photos of deceased models should be pulled from use.

Don't fancy sharing them?

649
Envato / Re: Changes coming to Elements bonus payments
« on: July 02, 2019, 12:45 »
I'd be surprised if many corporate website makers are using Elements for their content... seeing as there's no support included. I have an Elements subscription but I bought my last Wordpress theme from Themeforest. Didn't want to risk it if I need support. And if I was making something for a client, I definitely wouldn't want to risk it! Sure, others might look at it differently though!

650
Envato / Re: Changes coming to Elements bonus payments
« on: July 02, 2019, 00:51 »
I'm not sure if the WordPress authors are going to make loads more money like everyone seems to be predicting. Yes, a theme counts for 9 points and a video counts for 3... but it all depends on what people are downloading. So they may get a higher percentage split per download, but if somebody needs one video-based Wordpress theme and 20 videos to go on the site, then a bigger share is going to the video side of things rather than the theme side of things.

As for the 'boost up to $1000 or so', that would mean a total bonus of around $1300, as the average bonus currently is about $300. It's far too early for me to do anything more than rudimentary math... but I know that for 50% of contributors to now get $600, then the other 50% need to get $0. Anyone know what percentage that needs to be for them to get $1300? Not sure if you can figure it out without contributor numbers... my head hurt. Anyway, I can't see that happening unless there's a bunch of people who are only downloading WP themes and nothing else.   

I mean, people usually need lots of images, videos and graphics... they don't usually need dozens of WP templates every month. Who knows! My point is, it's too early to say and virtually impossible to predict at this stage. Time will tell!   

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