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726
« on: October 23, 2023, 16:11 »
Microstock is already dead, AI can't make it much worse.
putting AI aside,Microstock is not dead but it is simply no longer for amateurs who want to make easy money,if you want to make money in this game you have to put money into it,travel,buy expensive equipment,models etc. for those who started many years ago it was simpler,because they had the opportunity to immediately earn large sums with little effort,and start investing and growing. today,however,you have to start with the investment if you want to hope to have some better return,and of course work hard every day. with AI the situation does not change,Adobe credits are an example of this,how many credits can you buy?this is the only real question in the AI game,then of course you also need to have a minimum of creativity and experience,but if you don't have money to Investing is a long climb! anyway yes,now the traditional microstock,non-editorial or not of specific places and a few other things,is dead because of AI,and AIs can and have already made it worse. that's why I try to earn some extra money on AI now,and I will focus in the future,when AI will be almost obsolete,(1 year?less?) on editorials and photos and videos of specific places and there are also other things that AI can't do.
727
« on: October 23, 2023, 10:19 »
I don't know why they'd exhibit how bad their on-site AI tools are for all to see.
 there are many questions still unanswered, which we will understand as we go. For example,I have an all Adobe app plan,so I will have 1000 credits to generate. with these 1000 credits how many images can I generate?How many of these generated images will be acceptable?How many of these images will be accepted for sale by Adobe Stock?I hope all of them,because I pay a subscription,I believe and hope this is the case but clearly I don't know yet! Another thing to consider is that Adobe Stock subscribers will have 500 credits to generate,this is not good news for me,it would have been better if the credits were only available to Adobe software subscribers,or less credits for Adobe Stock customers,500 for a month are more than enough for a customer I think. in any case we'll see,in a year or less,we'll all have clearer answers,I believe and hope that Adobe has considered all this,we'll see! 
728
« on: October 23, 2023, 06:12 »
personally I'm taking it as calmly as possible,3 billion images have been generated since Firefly went online,so if we add up all the other AI we arrive at astronomical figures,and we are only at the beginning.
it is obvious that there must be a limit in accepting new content,it seems clear to me.
as I said,I'll take it easy,and I will try to select very carefully what to send,because I am quite certain that if I send a few contents at a time they will be accepted more easily.
729
« on: October 22, 2023, 13:43 »
Mat,I almost forgot,I saw that you are Metallica addicted,you probably already understood this,but my nickname here on microstockgroup is inspired by Metallica's epic album and justice for all and my avatar is the Rage Against The Machine t-shirt,the statue of liberty with a Molotov cocktail instead of the torch! you miss the 80/90s too I see!come on..we're still going strong!
730
« on: October 22, 2023, 11:43 »
Mat, you may have mentioned this elsewhere, but I must have missed it.
If I use Generate in photoshop to remove an item from my photograph, do I have to check the AI box?
Thanks
Generally, no. You would not need to identify a photograph that you used Firefly to remove an item from. Please review the full policy here for clarity: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html
Thanks for the question,
Mat Hayward
Mat - do you have a transcript of the video? If not - could you please have one put together? I'd be interested in quickly reading to see what points are of interest. Thanks.
yes Mat,possibly also translated into Latin and ancient Greek,but you have to write it while wearing the "metadata" t-shirt and hopping on one leg,otherwise it is not acceptable!
731
« on: October 22, 2023, 11:11 »
About AI, i'm more agree with @stockmaan, i mean why the platform will need contributors if their clients have the possibilities to create whatever they want just by typing few words ? you can play as much as you want with firefly, but if the client can do it by themself who gonna buy your "creation" ? In my opinion you're just training the tool that will take your job soon.
this is a topic in which there are many opinions,especially those who already earn very well with the microstock are obviously angry,worried and against this technology,but not everyone,there are also those who already earn very well and started using AI straight away. because creating with AI has a cost,because creating with AI takes time,there is a growing market for AI imagery,it is simpler and cheaper to purchase already generated content. contributors are always necessary,also because there is content such as editorials and other types of content that cannot be generated with AI. in my opinion,with me or without me,the AI will be trained anyway. thinking of stopping AI in some way is impossible. I wish you the best in your project,I'm sure you'll get something good out of it,although soon videos generated by AI will also be widespread,in a year at most.
732
« on: October 22, 2023, 07:28 »
It is interesting to see how, since the AI hype, people are popping up all over the net, including here, trying to tell the "old-timers" how the business works and how great AS has become.
I am sorry, but those of us who have been around for a while know AS and especially Fotolia very well.
But unfortunately I have to agree that AS has become much worse in many aspects and this has not only to do with the flood of AI images.
Especially from the customer's point of view. For example, the search in German has become so bad that you have to question whether there are beginners at work behind the scene. This has to do with some peculiarities of the German language, such as the way words are written together and other factors.
It is probably the same with other languages.
I wouldn't complain if it hadn't worked fine before, but this is just bumbling now.
yes I know,over the time and with experience many lose humility,they believe they know everything and they lose the ability to learn new things,and to face problems with clarity. I bought my first reflex in 1987 and started printing in the darkroom in 1989,I'm nobody,I'm the last wheel on the wagon,but I know I can improve. I like to face problems rationally,and when I see people giving in to paranoia and sci-fi visions,I also feel obliged to intervene to try to make people reflect on what seems logical and obvious to me. Fotolia was a great agency,all my friends still speak well of it,I started in microstock when Adobe Stock was already here since a year,some friends who run annual photography contests are very happy with this change,because they already know Adobe very well as a company regardless. Fotolia's times were simpler,today Adobe finds itself,like us,facing a multitude of changes,and from my point of view they are doing a great job,there are definitely a lot of mistakes,in the reviews,I have seen images accepted that probably should have been rejected,women with three legs or whatever,but in fact the situation is new for everyone,and they are certainly doing their utmost to bring everything back to normal,and act in the best possible way while respecting everyone's work,and that's enough to have all my support. do you want to know why I act like this?because I learned on my back what it means to deal with those who have no respect for people,and I think I recognize when a company,or a microstock agency,acts with respect for people and of their work,as far as possible.
733
« on: October 21, 2023, 19:37 »
I saw the replay,interesting,definitely learned new things,the new lens blur is amazing,as well as the new adaptive masks,up until now I have mostly used the default subject adaptive mask,like pop and vivid impact,they were very helpful for the type of content I was creating lately,and other presets in camera raw with Photoshop.
I'm thinking of starting to use Lightroom Classic again,which I abandoned a few years ago.
I'll bring in Lightroom all the work I'm preparing this days with Firefly,that I think to start send to Adobe Stock in November,also to have an overall better view of all the AI images,I think it's time to dust off Lightroom,can suit very well with this kind of work.
thanks Mat and Mr Terry White!
734
« on: October 21, 2023, 12:00 »
in the end, only agencies that value human work and not artificial intelligence will survive. This will happen very soon. Man is not a robot and never will be. Humans have emotions, not machines. I hope some agency realizes this soon, otherwise it will fail!
I'm afraid it's exactly the opposite,soon Getty and Shutterstock will also follow Adobe's example and start accepting AI content,because if they don't they will sink. this depends IF they are still interested in continuing,because it is also possible that they will simply slowly disappear into the darkness among all other agencies,because Adobe's system is clearly better,a community of creators,artists who can grow together is something innovative and unbeatable. we are not only contributors for Adobe,don't forget,our interests coincide with Adobe Systems Incorporated,a multinational computer software company of which a branch is Adobe Stock. For all the other microstock agencies we are just contributors. yes,I also prefer taking photos with my DSLR and I like real contents,and this will always be there,but the truth is that what can be created with AI is not possible to create in reality,just as there are contents that for legal reasons or other reasons,cannot be created with AI. Now I'm going back to generating with Firefly,all of you can do as you like! and happy weekend everyone!
735
« on: October 20, 2023, 12:24 »
As a high volume seller with a rather small portfolio I put a lot of work into each image, and Adobe (or rather Fotolia) used to appreciate that, but nowadays it's getting ridiculous.
I'm in a completely similar situation to yours! In one of the topics I wrote that they began to ignore me 100% after I refused to give my works for free download.
Have you noticed this trend in yourself?
In the near future, IMHO, Adobe will only have artificial intelligence, large studios and stocker teams churning out photos like a conveyor belt. Small stockers will be reset to zero, since they take up a lot of time and are of little use.
And what kind of equipment do you have, how much does it cost and how much money do you spend on getting high-quality photography - they dont give a * about that!
If the buyer is frivolous and unprepossessing, he will choose artificial intelligence. And such buyers, IMHO, are in the majority. And even if you dance with a shamans tambourine, nothing will change.
this is called paranoia! I see that unfortunately not everyone understands how an agency like Adobe Stock works,which works in a completely different way from "classic" microstock agencies. anyway ok,I won't say anything else because it's useless anyway.
736
« on: October 20, 2023, 08:58 »
No, thanks. I read here every day how people are banned for upload content created by artificial intelligence. Without me. 
yes,but if you just want to generate and upload as if there were no tomorrow,without selecting,without processing,improving,taking care of the details,and above all referring to other artists in the prompt,of course they end up getting banned! then in case you make a mistake due to distraction,from what I understand,Adobe warns you at least the first time and maybe even a second time,so you can run the "risk" thanks Mat,I'll watch the replay soon,as always.
737
« on: October 20, 2023, 06:01 »
I still earn my livelihood with them
in my opinion you should be more than happy and satisfied to be able to say this sentence,and don't get angry about a rejected batch,it can happen.
I had uploaded a batch of 24 videos and a couple of days ago they rejected half of it.Honestly,i mostly stopped for 10 minutes to understand why,and then I moved on.
in any case you can be satisfied and happy to be able to say that phrase"I still earn my livelihood with them"wow!fantastic!
Well thanks, but for me it's not a game of luck, it's a profession and I know what I'm doing, what sells and what doesn't, at least for my content. This is my main job and has been for over 10 years. That batch that was rejected was the result of 2 weeks of very focussed work for me. And I stand by it: it's highly unprofessional on Adobe's part, and has nothing to do with me being lucky or grateful or happy.
everything depends mainly on luck in life,it's just that too often we don't realize it. in this case you were unlucky because your batch of seasonal content was rejected,of course I understand it's heavy,send it again,I'm sure it will be approved. I had been printing in the darkroom as a hobby since 1989,then as a profession,working in collaboration with ophthalmologists,then digital photography arrived,I abandoned photography and got involved in other projects,only many years later did I pick up the camera again. I don't intend to make this mistake twice. Today I survive mainly on microstock,I'm lucky that I live in my own house,no rent,but it's not easy,taxes in Italy are among the heaviest in Europe.
738
« on: October 19, 2023, 21:57 »
I don't think Adobe cares for real photos anymore. All that matters to them is AI.
I'm afraid you're right. The future holds a world of fake images for us.
How sad!
yes,this is the reality,this is the future,so it's better to try to use this new technology to our own advantage,while we still have time.....tick..tock..the clock is ticking!
739
« on: October 19, 2023, 21:52 »
although it does suggest that it is a human reviewer and not a so called AI bot.
yes,they are human reviewers.
740
« on: October 19, 2023, 21:19 »
I still earn my livelihood with them
in my opinion you should be more than happy and satisfied to be able to say this sentence,and don't get angry about a rejected batch,it can happen. I had uploaded a batch of 24 videos and a couple of days ago they rejected half of it.Honestly,i mostly stopped for 10 minutes to understand why,and then I moved on. in any case you can be satisfied and happy to be able to say that phrase"I still earn my livelihood with them"wow!fantastic!
741
« on: October 19, 2023, 10:44 »
the better and bigger my portfolio becomes, the worse the sales become.
I had this same experience as you on Shutterstock and Istock,but not on Adobe. on Istock I exceeded the minimum payout after just 5 months,that is,I earned at least 100 USD (more) right from the start,with around 500 images in 2018,when I had just started in microstock,then instead of improving with the increase of the contents got worse,until it stabilized,and even adding thousands more contents after years it's still the same,50 more or less,always the same thing every month. From my experience,which may obviously be different for others,Adobe's sales system works better than any other agency,in particular I noticed that the fluctuations in monthly income are minimal,and once I reach a minimum monthly sales volume I no longer go below that. I've never been able to interpret Shutterstock,especially with the new payment structure you can't understand anything anymore,it's all too random and there are long periods of months and months of nothing,and then at a certain point comes the month in which I sell whatever thing repeatedly,at prices that are out of the ordinary,and it is like this for the whole month...and then again the void! It seems to me that in all the other agencies the microstock has become more a matter of luck than anything else,and it also seems to me that the only real agency where it is possible to build a business over time is Adobe Stock. I hope it continues like this for me,because I need this job. as my Adobe portfolio grows,my sales increase.  these are my impressions and my experience so far....now you can also shoot me if you want!
742
« on: October 17, 2023, 04:04 »
yes,"I stick" change the titles and descriptions and keywords in some cases,maybe for some legal reason or to improve the search of the content,or translation problems or a bug? who knows!
743
« on: October 16, 2023, 16:57 »
istock put up a notice/reminder that they do not accept images using any generative ai tools including generative fill etc...
This is important to remember as many producers will use ai tools in photoshop in their daily work now.
yes,but I'm pretty sure that some agencies in the future will have to change their policy on AI content and start accepting it otherwise they will lose customers and money,because there is also work behind the simple prompt to create interesting and attractive AI content,and in my opinion,most customers are not interested in generating but quickly buying the content they need.
744
« on: October 16, 2023, 16:47 »
OK,today I generated hundreds of images with Firefly,then I check them one by one,I will choose only the best ones,and then I have to process them and fix.
Firefly made a good impression on me,but there is still a lot to improve of course,for some types of content the generations are simple and I can get the desired result in a single prompt,for other images it takes many attempts,for others I wasn't successful to create what I wanted.
I see that Firefly is progressing,improving quickly,however I noticed that it still has several difficulties and limitations,for example it is not able to create realistic reflections in water in most cases,it has difficulty with generations,such as ship's mast or soccer nets,soccer field demarcation lines,arms and hands and much more.
For the moment,it is still very difficult to generate an image in which nothing needs to be corrected,however,at the rate at which it is progressing,I am quite sure that in a year at most the image generation in Firefly will have achieved almost perfect results.
745
« on: October 12, 2023, 15:11 »
All I can say is: never put your eggs in one basket.
I agree with you,or at least I used to,but from my point of view I see that things have changed. I see a clear decline in sales on all agencies that do not accept AI content, therefore Shutterstock,Istock,Alamy,Envato,Depositphotos and others they do not accept AI contents from contributors. It seems clear as day to me that the future of microstock lies in one agency:Adobe. Istock,Alamy and Envato they launched their AI a month ago,and they will soon go the way of Shutterstock towards decline(for us) and I don't see a future for contributors in these agencies,because these agencies are not interested in making contributors earn with AI. so unfortunately I think there is only one basket left here!
746
« on: October 11, 2023, 17:18 »
I was informed this was my third infraction.
I'm obviously very sorry and I don't wish this on anyone, but I have to say one thing:"no other agency would have ever warned you twice". I can assure you that the other agencies put contributors out without any warning. I wish you all the best!
747
« on: October 11, 2023, 16:54 »
Mayday,mayday,mayday!All the agencies are in free fall! Shutterstock is dead for photos and vectors too,perhaps the only thing that can be uploaded to SS are videos. In the first 10 days of October 2018,when I only had around 300 photos I earned more than these first 10 days of October 2023,although now I have several thousand contents more.I have already abandoned uploading photos and vectors to SS,and I'm sorry because it was a really good agency,the only thing I didn't like was the change in the royalty structure. Luckily there is Adobe Stock,the only one that continues to get better and better!
748
« on: October 11, 2023, 06:15 »
even half of my vector sales are sold at 15% instead of 20% as non-exclusive.
It's Istock,you can't expect anything better.
If I remember correctly,it was Istock who started the race to the bottom,when suddenly went to 15% for non-exclusive images.
now the three musketeers,Getty,Envato and Alamy have joined in Bria AI!
"A new AI image generator has been launched today.Bria AI has licensed visual content from Getty Images,Alamy, and Envato to build its platform as it aims to solve the copyright problems facing generative AI".
"Bria AI,based in Israel,says that its foundation model will facilitate financial remunerations for creators and artists likening the payment model to Spotify which makes micropayments to musicians based on streams".
"Furthermore,Getty Images,which is embroiled in a lawsuit against the makers of Stable Diffusion,became a minority investor in Bria last year and helped with the licensing deal".
749
« on: October 11, 2023, 05:45 »
750
« on: October 11, 2023, 05:41 »
Ive sold one video in 2 years at DP. About 1200 clips.
ok,I guess I won't upload videos to DP!
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