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The recent number of posts re shutterstocks portfolio  indicates not everyone thinks we are all submitting only our best work. I'm not sure its the best way but why should we assume that every site is obliged to review everything we throw at them? Is it really so hard to submit a proportion of your work? I can't help feeling people are being a bit oversensitive here. You reckon artists are in such short supply that they will walk away.......wake up and smell the coffee as they say!
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i think sean is correct; irritating but not insulting.
dreamstime was insulting the moment they deleted the third of similars onwards...
but ss is the supremo for letting 2000 similars of everything from every angle without a blink.
i suppose i could have done the same thing but just uploading the whole shoot,
but i didn't want to cannibalize my port to make it look like
100k in 15 years instead of a fraction of that.

but really, i think the problem is with ftp, as if you had to upload singly
with the old html, i doubt if many would take the time to upload 1,000 a day of
tomato or marijuana on white .

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Info
« on: November 30, 2016, 00:17 »
no fault of yours but passing the initial test on SS (only requiring one photo out of ten to pass) is actually hurting folks.  The majority of your images are too dark and dull in color and the isolated ones are poorly isolated on white.  In the past you would've failed the test (I failed three times) and better yourself before being accepted.

 --- I will give one tip (learn to light better).  Go on the web and study your lighting. 

Here is sample of a good images that are similar to your image topics-

https://www.shutterstock.com/pic-372151882/stock-photo-homemade-cheesy-pull-apart-bread-with-garlic-and-parsley.html?src=xGVAzs1uv6POLzCloQ05pg-1-6

giveme5 is correct in the opening remark. 1/10 gets you to be a contributor of ss.
consider this, in the days when ss was something to be proud of, you need 7/10 approved
before being a contributor. you fail, and you wait a month before re-applying.

based on this slack in admission criterion, it means that you have to try 7 times harder than us
to produce good images for ss.
although these days, even 100% excellent images are not being downloaded much
because they are not being seen...

unless you are an expert at title - spamming.

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I have 67 sales over the past two years adding up to only $25.00.  Am I licensing my photos incorrectly or is it unusual to sell photos for more than $2.00 a piece?  My catalog consists mostly of landscape photos.

67 sales in 2 years with ss???
no, you are definitely not doing well.
with ss you get that much in one month as a newbie, that much in one day as an old-timer..

your material is definitely not microstock material...
or if you do have microstock sellable images, then maybe your keywording is bad.
but landscapes are more for artsy agencies like stocksy, offset, canva, even alamy...
as some of the commentors already point out.

even if you make still life of  tomato, apple, marijuana, onions,etc...  on white
you will surely make more money in one month than you did in 2 years with landscape.

the last para. is not being cynical. it's the fact of microstock.
boring pictures sell like hot cakes... (even hot cakes sell like hot cakes with ss)...
images that make them go "oooh, ahhh!" at photo clubs and photo exhibition are not microstock sellers.

look at the toilet paper, kitty litter, feminine napkin, etc  pictures on those boxes...
that's microstock big sellers.

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Photo Critique / Re: Do you think these photos should sell?
« on: November 29, 2016, 15:40 »
agree with those colleagues who suggest stocksy, offset,etc..

nice pictures are not micro stock pictures. the problem with travel shots is that there are millions now.
at the beginning of ss career, my travel shots sold a bit, even found them on wiki travel logs, country website, travel agency,etc..
but as soon as someone in that area sees them as top sellers, they go and take their own portfolio of those tourist areas and naturally,
if you are living in say, baffin island, or galapogas, or even jasper,etc..
you can go back there at the right time , all four seasons, and make the best tourist shots for micro.

tourists do not have this luxury, ...
so of course, our images soon become less often sellers.
unless you have unique hard to get images, like that gent from istock many years ago who specializes in antartica arctic shots.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock search change??
« on: November 29, 2016, 15:30 »
The place is a right mess! right now faulty sums are showing up and I am proud to have earnt  close to 90K this month!!  I mean whats going on over there?

lol, i guess it was for the shareholders to spot check all the contributors' earnings...
so when they see yours ... 90K a month
and SNP tenths of thousands
and mine 11 k a month, etc..
they go ... waaaaaaza, this is good vultue picking stock (bad pun)...

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Wrong earnings
« on: November 28, 2016, 19:27 »
so I didn't make tens of thousands today? booo

lol, i think this is the first thread on ss here 
where contributors are actually rejoicing ...

if we keep this up ... ss might make it a habit to f*ckup, and put the total earnings
more often...

just to see us all smiling !!!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Wrong earnings
« on: November 28, 2016, 14:04 »
Is This Christmas present? Thank You Shutterstock!!! :)

Someone just shot Santa, back to normal now.

waaa, too bad for you!!! i think it must have been special early Santa cuming for the first 100 ss earlybirds..!!!
now it's waddafark, spammingbacktonormal zero, zero, zero,...

someone put that beat me on the head with a rolling pin gif for me !!!!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Wrong earnings
« on: November 28, 2016, 11:51 »
huh what??? you mean i didn't strike it rich this morning???
i ran out and got myself a new set of wheels...
paid the full amount of my ss earning as downpayment...
all 11 grand of it.

what am i going to do???

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Anyone else?

LMAO dumc the rinderhart of fotolia!!!  ;)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Microstocker Burnout Syndrom
« on: November 28, 2016, 07:55 »
The agencies have become so greedy and gutter bent on subs that I, like many, have given up the chase.

Someone posted one key truth about the content of micros and that is the quality of the content will be, more or less, sustained by people in third world countries where $800 a month is a nice living.  Much of their work is very well done, both images and illustrations.

well said... both insightful truths!!!
i also remember at the beginning of my microstock here on leaf's msg, reading someone who said he left his country to settle in a 3rd world where the microstock earnings goes a longer way.
esp for us old crows (not the other one with the same monicker here), we can go that route too,
and make our earnings go a longer way with 35 bucks a month. but i will be crazy and old
if i say i will support greedy ss to let them rule my life with 35bucks as a wooo yayyy i got payout every month from ss, sooooo cool. !!!
no, won't be an ss coolie !!!

i got my equipment all paid up by micro, so like you mantis, next year will be a new project.
stay local doing my own thing, while getting in touch with all those who are using my micro work
..by finding their blog directly and make a deal with them.
they will pay less for my work without the middle man, and they won't have to rummage through
hundred pages of spammy sh*t .
this way, we both get the best of our relationship.

i doubt if ss will really improve contributors, or clients relations. that's way too old school for them.
the only thing to happen is Oringer cut out and go private again, but that too won't happen.
the taste of green is too much like opium to the masses... you don't go back ...

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Unless they algorithmically do something to stop it from happening, whether on initial submission or on edit, it will continue to happen. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

true!
they're like mice... eventually they get smarter and realise the cat is not as smart as they are..
and come back.

i don't know what you can do really.
maybe instead of putting their port here,

This guy's port seems to be a live and kicking..... and spamming. As well as repeating words, he just pastes all his keywords into the title as well as the keywords box!

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/MIKHAIL+GRACHIKOV
Here's a portfolio to look out for:

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Malyshev+Maksim

He's got some good work, but the spammy titles has got to go. If you're on this board, please change it before you get kicked out by SS.

... where nothing can be done about it...
maybe do it at Oringer's twitter site or wherever he has his own web address.
not bother with ss site because the frontline ppl will surely delete it as the dirty cock inside the henhouse

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Microstocker Burnout Syndrom
« on: November 27, 2016, 16:07 »
How many years does it take for a microstocker to run into a burn-out syndrom?
 
And how to overcome it? To take a break? For how long?

How to overcome a creativity block?

Any experience?

If I was still making money and seeing growth from my efforts I may not have burnt out. I quit about three years ago after five years of submitting. When I first started, I got really motivated when I saw revenue increasing consistently when I added new images. It was awesome for a few years until the plateau hit and then the drop. The hamster wheel. I still experiment with stuff like mobile to see if there's anything new that makes it worth my time but haven't found it yet. I spend my time producing stuff outside of micro where I still find profits and growth. I also license my own stuff through my site.

Like Mantis said, things are shifting. Up until a few years ago equipment and quality requirements were so high it prevented a lot of people from entering micro. Now the requirements are so low that anyone with a cellphone can join micro which opened up the competition floodgates to just about anyone anywhere in the world. And micros will continue squeezing people until they find that fine line where taking away too much negatively affects their financials. Hasn't happened yet and there's no bottom in sight.

Wish it wasn't this way because in the beginning I was so excited. I actually thought I could live off of this with just a few thousand images. Now I'd need tens of thousands and it's not viable.

as a photographer from view camera media to 120 to 35mm to digital to mirrorless (no, will never go to mob)...we all go through that more than one phase of becoming old school .
i don't think of ever being burnt out. i just move on and off photography... going into other things to keep me advancing and never getting sick and tired of photography.

i remember Sting from his post Police days saying the same thing..
you play or do for yourself first, and you will never give it up. photography is that to me, like music is to Sting.

microstock is not a livelihood to me; it never was. i merely started microstock about 12 years ago only because it seemed like a good idea at that time when istock was kicking @$$ ... keeping ss on their toes.

like paulie and many of my peers who have more or less given up or died..

i just do microstock whenever i run out of football, beer , etc..
and come in here to leaf's MSG to whine and grunt

... because it's there !!! (to coin some mountain climber when asked why do you climb mountains???)

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They could fire some of the reviewers or people who do contributor portfolio management. If I had a stock agency, and things like this happened for 6 months, I wouldn't be mad at the people who are abusing the system, I'd be mad I obviously hired the wrong and incompetent people. From the reviewers to the coders who couldn't identify spammy portfolios by writing a script in 30 minutes and the management who perhaps hasn't communicated the problem to the coders. In the end, I'd fire myself since I'm obviously a douche who can't run a company. But yeah, not happening. They wanted these spammy accounts so that they could pay out less royalties and "touch up" their Q3 results. :)



well put !


definitely... it has to be the reviewers ...
as how else can these spammers get past the front door???

other than someone inside letting them all in from the back door without any curatorship.

unless it's some major shareholders retard child
letting in their cousins cousins and best buddies..

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Its an interesting parallel in the UK some farmers have done very well by adopting a more vertical model with "farmers markets" or making their own end products. I'm sure for the more talented photographers this is more lucrative but don't think I'm dedicated/good enough. Also if you can create a restricted supply you can retain prices e.g Champagne, Melton Mowbary Pork pies etc.

i don't think anyone is saying they are more talented, but asking for things to get back to norm
like what ss became #1 to most of us who chose to submit to the 7/10 entry criterion...
and to see there is no switch flipping once you hit that monthly average...
or see amazing garbage like title spamming getting approved while your proper standard stuff
is rejected for some strange reason like atilla used to do,etc..

we are not looking for some great miracle...
although the return of the $80, $28, $102 single earning ... would be wonderful...!!!

we're just looking to see things getting back to when Oringer was the sole proprietor with no
main shareholders' @ss to lick...


but perharps the last financial report meeting had some heads rolling when questions were being
asked...

or adobe did the trick to get ss to sit up...

whatever the reason,  ( i am sure the vultures have already all short sold and taken profit
to go elsewhere to suck blook)...
so let's hope we see a good 2017 start to get back to ss ...



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They continue working on it - those 20 were just a first signal to everyone else spamming titles.
SS also asked us to get the message out (like "fix it in the next couple of days or get out") in different languages. So feel free to spread the word through social media in English and/or your native language. :)

Why would we spread the word. SS should just ban them immediately. Phuckem.

agree. more so that ss has this auto-delete duplicare keywords in the submission stage.
surely their IT can also use this method of eliminating portfolio with duplicating keywords in title and description, no???
they don't do that because ss really don't give a r@t$ass about it!!!

as like yyy has google SEO smart, surely ss can do the same... IF THEY WANT TO


Google blocks spammy titles and sites. The Google SEO is smart enough to put them on the bottom.


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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock search change??
« on: November 24, 2016, 13:55 »
rts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).


SS - and the others - have never been there to cater for top earners, they're there to cater to buyers. Putting rubbish up front isn't going to do anybody any good. We got to be top earners by producing stuff people like and want and that stuff is going to keep on performing on its own strengths. But if newbies produce better stuff then we're going to take a hit. IF the flood of new images simply drowns out the best then SS will have a problem keeping its buyers happy. That's just business.

good point, but 80.4% to the right of the page... says spammers are drowning the best .
ss never left the 90% during the heydays when istock was a challenger.

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It took them six months to react. And during these six months, all spammers were cashing in, while decent contributors were losing money. Now 20 accounts got deleted... like a drop in the ocean considering the number of spammers probably reached hundreds during six months of SS allowing this practice...

yes, LOL
like the lazy barnboy closing the barn door after the cows escaped
... or the captain sailing away with the loots after discovering there is a hole at the bottom of the ship .

all for show to the english, as latino say.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock search change??
« on: November 24, 2016, 13:37 »
A couple of people here can not see any difference and thats explainable because its always been the same. Ports containing lots of travel, landscapes and sort of general content will not ever notice too much difference.

A change of algorithm will most certainly hit specialized portfolio ten times more. Thats where you find most of the high commercial content and probably most of the best sellers.

I do agree with that large Tech-firm Mullenengines or whatever they were called who sorted the Adobe before they became tangled up with FT. They stipulated that its always a very bad sign indeed when tweaking any search to the point where top sellers fall outside first 4-5 pages and since there is no undo or reverse button chances are they could be gone forever in a downslope.

re:redded...
it all depend on the objective of the agency.
if you are told by the shareholders to make quantity over quality, pay less,...
you would be arm-twisted to please 1 million newbies and/or oldies cheerleaders of 35 bucks a month earners
at the displeasure of 35 top earners selling a million .
like telemarketing, there is a lots more excited newbies waiting in line to replace the old experts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock search change??
« on: November 24, 2016, 12:11 »
It's all very odd.... I've been around for about 5 or 6 years now. The last few months have been TERRIBLE with old and some REALLY old and forgotten stuff selling, nothing new, not my usual best sellers.
But whatever they have done has improved my situation. This month is not like how it was, but way better than it has been lately.
I think they just keep tinkering, or else servers keep having issues...
Sometimes you are on the 'up' side and sometimes on the 'down'.....but you never know when things might change again....

Reminds me of the Skinner Box experiments - quote from Wikipedia:
"Skinner's research discovered many fascinating examples of animal behavior. One of the most interesting, perhaps, was Skinner's work on superstition. Instead of giving a reward for a specific action and training a specific behavior, Skinner would take a hungry pigeon and place it in a box that would release a food pellet at random. The pigeons developed all kinds of complex behavioral responses such as bowing, scraping, dancing, and neck turns.[7]

What happened was the pigeon would receive the food pellet while it happened to be performing some action, and rather than attributing the food pellet reward to randomness, it would assume that the appearance of the food pellet had something to do with its behavior. So it started doing whatever that action was, over and over again, and sure enough, it was eventually rewarded with a food pellet again. Since the pigeon is increasing the amount of time spent performing a particular action, it is also increasing the number of times it is "rewarded" for that action, even though the reward is random".

We are the pigeons but one day we will fly away....
 

no , pigeons never fly away to anywhere. they're not made to think that way...
much like ss contributors, lol..

i am more like pavlov dog. as soon as i hit my monthly average, i drop down dead
and see zeros for days.
so, for me, i hope one day the bell will stop ringing...
and when i hit the monthly average, it will go past that
and i wont have to drop down dead to see zeros anymore ;)

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Petition to stop spammers
« on: November 23, 2016, 15:21 »
Today Shutterstock has deleted many of the images with spam titles and banned the contributors. Obviously the whole topic is now in their focus of action.  I bet that the remaining contributors who do image title spam are now in a hurry to change their titles before they get banned.

What's the source of information? Maybe search change has something to do against spammers, if they changed it indeed.

wa didn't think i'd agree with dumc ;)
but you are correct. i too thought it was a change in search , in my comment to that topic thread here, but now i still see my daily earners getting dls,
so it's may not be a change in search but more the elimination of spammers
giving more exposure to proper keyworded image.
still it's only guessing.

but oringer saying anything is a good sign, as for months, years, he took a deaf ear blind eye to all the istock-y problems ss suddenly developed.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock search change??
« on: November 22, 2016, 14:35 »
Anybody experiencing a search-change at SS? because suddenly pictures are selling from my first submission some 12 years back. Its down and out embarrassing they are not even good but terrible!
Surely a change like that and people thats been there for years better prepare themselves for a lousy time indeed.

gyllens, i am not even thinking what would happen this way...
consider that my best earners have been selling daily since day 1.
each time there is a search change, i see sales of the embarassing oldest , like you say, terrible work.
.. which may excite some , but for me, this also means my daily big earners are out of sight
and yes, you guess it, lower sales.

it's difference with other sites where there is no difference between search priority.  with ss, your best sellers stay best sellers as they are on page one and top row.
when a search change occur, i don't know what happens, ...
do they make our best seller page 1 disappear??? do you know???

for me, if it ain't broken, don't f*ck around with the machine.
ss is becoming too much f*cking about, like istock ...

and i really don't understand why they think they have to do that???
go figure!!!   

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General Stock Discussion / Re: One person buying many files
« on: November 20, 2016, 13:56 »
i am sure yuri and sjolocke,etc had many sales from the same buyer, many times.
it does not mean someone is out to steal your work. maybe so, but i would not worry too much
as this is microstock. lots of ppl see microstock as a cheap way to get images,
and for now, conisder yourself lucky you found someone who likes your style.

if you assume it is a thief, and if it is an admirer, you kill yourself but stopping to upload more work.

i see it this way,... if you can do sellable stuff, it can't be difficult for you to make more.
the thief can only steal what you create, and nothing more.

what if otoh, it is in fact as pixelbytes say, someone who likes your style.
they see you as a one trick pony, and stop checking in to see if you have more to buy.
it's your call,  .. i would just like it so long as i see my earnings keep going up.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Editorial vs. commercial
« on: November 11, 2016, 14:20 »
Or with illustration vs not illustration.
Or with illustrative editorial (Shuttestock's invention!) vs regular editorial.

Reviewers don't know the rules.

i do not do illustrations, but i did get several times,
rejected... this must be submitted as illustrative editorial
so i resubmitted, and as instructed, but got it rejected as "not illustrative editorial".

i wrote them several times about this, and i got,
this is not editorial, and not illustrative editorial .

so i resubmitted hoping it would be commercial then,...
which also got rejected.

giving it up, as sometimes, i find ss is much more bad for the health than drinking too much whisky :)

lastly, as for reviewers do not know the rules,
i don't think there is any review being done by humans any more in ss

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Quarterly results
« on: November 06, 2016, 18:59 »
Seems like the agencies are moving towards turning microstock all back into high dollar images, with high returns for them (macrostock). Good for them and the elite contributors that are in the club, but the fact remains the market for microstock is still there. Someone will still need to supply that market. And 2 cents per download for the contributor isnt going to cut it.

One big problem for us rank and file microstock contributors is that when the money was good, a lot of us invested in expensive equipment and models to make high value images. These are images that can easily compete with high end collections, and should be included in them.  But for some reason, if your pictures,  even HCV ones,  have been in micro, they are treated as tainted and inferior by SS when they choose Premier Select, or allow contributors to Offset.

Adobe, so far, treats images as equal and doesn't turn up their nose just because they are microstock.  In very early days micro may have been inferior quality, but for long time much micro can rival Macro and other top tier collections. 

If you don't want cheap micro images competing with your premier expensive images, don't hide them in the back of searches.  Put the top quality micro images in the higher end collections.

excellent point!!!  the insinuation that micro contributors are inferior was obvious when ss indicated "ss contributors need not apply for offset".
the irony was it was they (microstock agencies) who set the standard,
and in the days when 7/10 entry criterion, the bar was lifted way above all across the stock photo tiers..
your point to repeat...  in red

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Quarterly results
« on: November 06, 2016, 14:59 »
Many years ago I remember reading a piece of advice about investing that said you should actually take a look at the "real business" e.g if its a shop take a walk round one of its stores...is it well maintained, are the staff happy are there plenty of customers etc?

One look at the SS offering these days would sound a few alarm bells.....in particular proving the assertion that more = better. If it were a supermarket you would be confronted with thousands of brands of baked beans spread all over the store often stacked in the wrong place and labelled as something different. Usually I found what Oringer said on these calls pretty persuasive but this time I found their responses pretty unconvincing. I think the next quarter may prove a troublesome one but I do hope they turn it round as I always felt they were a solid and in the context of this business "fair" outfit

well said & good observation. the store is running more like a boiler room shady these days!!!
the thing to watch is the stock prices of ss. now that the quarterly is out and the questions left unanswered.
if you run a public firm like a penny stock business, soon the hedgers and quick profiteers would be gone after shorting, to go find another roadkill .
if you run a business like a bluechip where transparency and goodwill and longterm is the rule
of your portfolio, you won't evade your questions of how the business is running.
nor do you have to bolster your cans of beans all around the store to make it look like you have a store of good distribution .

what i mean is, by now, the vultures would already have taken the money and run ,
before the slide begins. and the CEO would have left like the captain of a sinking ship...
long before he shouts from afar to the suckers on the ship ,"do not panic, all is fine!"..
as he paddles away on a lifeboat.

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