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751
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:55 »
I think that it is only reasonable to give a refund is if the image quality is bad which is highly unlikely except for the occasional very old image or that they have now bought a larger version.
I think it would be still unreasonable because if an agency accepts to sell an image, there must be a quality standard. Once they accept it, they confirm that the image is of required quality. Most of my returned sales are vectors, icon or logo sets especially. There is no size or another technical problem. I guess a few -smart- guys have discovered a way to obtain premium images for free and they are using it hard or DP simply steals money from contributors since they can't even show any document about the transactions.
Either way, poor us...
That's why I said the occasional old image. Some sites still have images that were uploaded befor 2005 and some of them are probably quite bad quality. DP hasn't been around long enough for that.
My oldest image is 3 years old. Besides, file age shouldn't be a problem once it was reviewed, accepted, found and purchased. Moreover, I have almost none returned sales on any other agencies. These returned files are usually my top selling images, yet they love appearing in my DP returned sales table a lot.
Sounds like something is very wrong there.
752
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:33 »
I think that it is only reasonable to give a refund is if the image quality is bad which is highly unlikely except for the occasional very old image or that they have now bought a larger version.
I think it would be still unreasonable because if an agency accepts to sell an image, there must be a quality standard. Once they accept it, they confirm that the image is of required quality. Most of my returned sales are vectors, icon or logo sets especially. There is no size or another technical problem. I guess a few -smart- guys have discovered a way to obtain premium images for free and they are using it hard or DP simply steals money from contributors since they can't even show any document about the transactions.
Either way, poor us...
That's why I said the occasional old image. Some sites still have images that were uploaded befor 2005 and some of them are probably quite bad quality. DP hasn't been around long enough for that.
753
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:11 »
I think that it is only reasonable to give a refund is if the image quality is bad which is highly unlikely except for the occasional very old image or that they have now bought a larger version.
754
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:07 »
Asking for our dreams for the future was not a clever move in the circumstances. I wonder how many buyers saw the comments before they were deleted.
755
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:05 »
I think that today will be the day that it will really fall of a cliff. It's been slowing down a bit for me so far but I really don't expect many sales now until after the holidays.
756
« on: December 20, 2012, 14:11 »
Yes but has anybody really hit the jackpot and got a sale on cutcaster this month???
That was me! A 1977 B/W shot of Morris Minor cars at an autocross event ($1.84 commission). Regards, David.
Haha you win. Congrats 
757
« on: December 20, 2012, 13:15 »
I didn't say I know what 80% of 123's contributors are going to do like fotografer seems to know.
Nor did I say that I know what 80% of the people will do just that I think it is unrealistic to think that enough people will leave to do the site much if any harm.
But you did 
"Of course but 80% of contributors won't leave. " See reply #165
It's cool though.
Then it was badly worded, It should read not all 80% will leave, only some of them.
758
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:58 »
Yes but has anybody really hit the jackpot and got a sale on cutcaster this month???
759
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:52 »
Put a new image into DM. Doesn't matter what it is. Remove all keywords/titles/etc.
Put in keyword(s) you want to add. Copy from that file and paste to multiple selected files. Make sure you only select the fields you need, and don't have the overwrite box ticked. Works the same with description fields etc.
Try it with one or two files first to make sure it's right! Don't blame me if it doesn't work! 
Great, I was pretty sure that I had read somewhere before that there was a way of doing it.
760
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:43 »
Again, it's not the "80%" that will make a difference but the 80% of the "20%", who have accounts on the big 4 and who will have their commissions cut.
Now that's getting far too mathematical for me
761
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:42 »
I didn't say I know what 80% of 123's contributors are going to do like fotografer seems to know.
Nor did I say that I know what 80% of the people will do just that I think it is unrealistic to think that enough people will leave to do the site much if any harm.
So nobody said anything
LOL correct
762
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:42 »
That's exactly what I'm saying. I have a few sites that I upload to as it is so easy but don't make much money there. I only go to the sites every couple of months to see if I have sold enough to make a payout and just look at total earnings not individual sales. If it wasn't for the fact that I regularly read these forums I would have no idea if they had a commission cut or not. I suspect that there are 100s or 1000s of people that are like that.
Ah I see. But maybe if you didn't read MSG, you wouldn't rely on others here pointing things out and you would check your finances yourself... because you had to
No, maybe I ought to take more notice but the truth is if they aren't making me enough money to make a difference then I don't waste my time worrying about them. Maybe that isn't being a good business person but then I have never claimed to be a good business person. I went into all this like many of us before just because I liked taking photos and thought it would be fun if I could sell the odd photo. I got in at the right time and have never quite been able to believe my luck that I can actually make decent money for what was a hobby.
763
« on: December 20, 2012, 12:35 »
I didn't say I know what 80% of 123's contributors are going to do like fotografer seems to know.
Nor did I say that I know what 80% of the people will do just that I think it is unrealistic to think that enough people will leave to do the site much if any harm.
764
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:40 »
^^^ do you know how ?
Couldn't figure it out.
I'll just go and have a look and see if I can work it out. Sorry, just tried how I thought it could be done and it was impossible. I thought that you could select a few images and edit them all by right clicking on them an choosing edit option. It would still be much easier to edit each individual file from deepmeta and then send the edits from there as the IS site is so slow.
765
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:35 »
Let say I have a few dozen photos already on in my portfolio I wish to add a specific keyword to, is there a way to do this in bulk or must I do this one by one ?
I think that you could do it quite easily using Deepmeta
766
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:32 »
interesting how Bigstock is so different from Shutterstock in terms of buyers, not only the amount of course but also the % from the US, sure it is related to the marketing investment etc just curious seeing they havent targeted much market outside the US (maybe thats only happening with me)
about 80% of my sales at Bigstock come from US buyers when at SS from 10 to 20%
Maybe it is the type of images you sell. My % is much less than 10% US sales at both SS and BS
sure but its the same portfolio
Yes it's odd. I am always surprised how little of my sales come from the US when I actually often make images with US sales in mind.
I thought that it was odd that our figures were so different and went and had another look at BS and realized that I was looking at the wrong figures. Mine are pretty much in line with yours in that the vast majority of sales come from the US whereas very little come from the US at SS
767
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:26 »
I feel sad everytime I see this thread 
768
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:18 »
interesting how Bigstock is so different from Shutterstock in terms of buyers, not only the amount of course but also the % from the US, sure it is related to the marketing investment etc just curious seeing they havent targeted much market outside the US (maybe thats only happening with me)
about 80% of my sales at Bigstock come from US buyers when at SS from 10 to 20%
Maybe it is the type of images you sell. My % is much less than 10% US sales at both SS and BS
sure but its the same portfolio
Yes it's odd. I am always surprised how little of my sales come from the US when I actually often make images with US sales in mind.
769
« on: December 20, 2012, 11:06 »
interesting how Bigstock is so different from Shutterstock in terms of buyers, not only the amount of course but also the % from the US, sure it is related to the marketing investment etc just curious seeing they havent targeted much market outside the US (maybe thats only happening with me)
about 80% of my sales at Bigstock come from US buyers when at SS from 10 to 20%
Maybe it is the type of images you sell. My % is much less than 10% US sales at both SS and BS
770
« on: December 20, 2012, 10:50 »
I think fotographer is dead on. We gather here and argue everything from commissions to shutter speeds and tend to assume that we are the microstock world.
There are thousands and maybe millions of microstock contributors who have never heard of MSG and probably another couple of hundred who don't give a dam n or have found the negative vibes too prominent to get involved.
123 knows that. and so does iStock. We're just pissin' in the wind.
Are you another one saying that people won't notice their royalties being cut because they don't read MSG? Of course they will notice.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I have a few sites that I upload to as it is so easy but don't make much money there. I only go to the sites every couple of months to see if I have sold enough to make a payout and just look at total earnings not individual sales. If it wasn't for the fact that I regularly read these forums I would have no idea if they had a commission cut or not. I suspect that there are 100s or 1000s of people that are like that.
771
« on: December 20, 2012, 10:18 »
No not really. I'm saying that if it happened at somewhere like Stockfresh, cutcaster or GL where I don't make a payout each month then I probably wouldn't even notice unless I read it here. I think that there are 1000s of people particularly that don't speak English that upload and don't get involved at all in the way the site works and they will just keep on uploading as usual. I'm not in anyway saying that it is right what they are doing but just that they know that it won't make much of an impact by not attacking the top players.
There are a lot of people here on the forum that don't make a payout each month but they still care about being shafted. If anything, the ones that don't make a monthly payout are the ones that can easily leave. Think about it. If they're not making a payout in a month, it's going to take them even longer to reach it so walking out after the change won't have a big impact in their earnings.
Lol and what's English got to do with money? Surely you're not assuming that 80% of contributors are brainless dolts or that anyone who doesn't read or participate in these forums have no clue what they're doing or what's going on. Sorry but that's a little arrogant. I never participated in these forums for years. I read it every now and then but frankly I didn't have the time for it. I still knew exactly what was going on with my money.
And another thing, dont forget that 123 hasn't been around as long as the big players. There are probably many successful photographers on other sites who only recently joined them and won't give a second thought about leaving them after pulling this stunt.
OK we'll see but I still don't think that it will make as much impact on the site as you do.
772
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:45 »
I think that a few will but I still think that the majority will just carry on as before. I don't think that any survey about it done here is a good representation of the contributors as most people won't know the facts of it as well as those of us that read these forums.
You're sitting on 50%. Are you telling me that if they reduced your cut to 30% or 40% you would stay on? What message will that be sending them and the entire industry for that matter? If a nothing site like 123 gets away with it, we can expect the rest of them to cut our pay too.
No not really. I'm saying that if it happened at somewhere like Stockfresh, cutcaster or GL where I don't make a payout each month then I probably wouldn't even notice unless I read it here. I think that there are 1000s of people particularly that don't speak English that upload and don't get involved at all in the way the site works and they will just keep on uploading as usual. I'm not in anyway saying that it is right what they are doing but just that they know that it won't make much of an impact by not attacking the top players.
773
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:16 »
I'm not that worried about review time. I just wish that Bigstock would send an e=mail when a photo is sold. Was almost 2 weeks befoe i realilized the last one was sold.
You can just check your image earnings page to find out what has sold.
774
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:09 »
but I would imagine that most of the truly serious contributors in the biz will have found their way to MSG.
But we are talking about the other 80%
775
« on: December 20, 2012, 09:00 »
You are right.. It's said that the top 20% of contributors on most sites have 80% of the sales so my guess is that the top 20% will either stay at the same % or even go up so will carry on uploading as normal.
Of course but 80% of contributors won't leave. I think that there are probably lots of small time contributors that won't even notice the difference. The sites are able to do this because they know if they keep their top contributors happy then It really won't make a huge difference. Of course some people will leave and others will join. If this is a one off they will get away with it but if they start to mess around with the top contributors they will be in trouble. IStocks biggest mistake was to mess around with exclusives and cut the percentage of top independent contributors.
You mean 20% of contributors with 80% of the sales won't leave.
No I don't, the reality of it is that most people will do nothing about it.
I don't agree. This isn't SS or IS, or even FT. This is 123rf we're talking about. Why do you assume that people that have to take a cut of any already crappy deal will have an incentive to stay on? The 14% (going by the vote) who are on level 5 and above will stay for sure. The ones on level 4 will be split. I'm on level 4, I'm leaving. Most of the ones that are below level 4, which is more than half (going by the vote) are likely to tell them to shove it.
I think that a few will but I still think that the majority will just carry on as before. I don't think that any survey about it done here is a good representation of the contributors as most people won't know the facts of it as well as those of us that read these forums.
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