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« on: November 22, 2022, 13:04 »
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The microstock business was created by digital cameras and computers. It put the old stock photo guys out of business.
no - many of us old stock guys (since 1976) made the transition. evolution in action How will all this play out? Will people still pay for the best images...
why assume digital cameras will always produce 'better' than AI?
777
« on: November 18, 2022, 13:32 »
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Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. 
"chance favors the prepared mind" - Louis Pasteur
778
« on: November 18, 2022, 13:30 »
Congrats! But what a nightmare if you get that on the first of January... and after making however many thousands of dollars from one sale, you're still on Level 1!
i'd accept that nightmare any dream !
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« on: November 15, 2022, 07:33 »
I struggle with that framing. A pixel is not a thing that is physically picked up from one place and dropped in another. Its just a range of values for relative location and color. That is true whenever you copy an image. I honestly think the it doesnt use any of the original pixels framing is irrelevant, as that is always the case when transferring images digitally.
One of the ways AI is trained is, for example, by blurring a photo in a way that involves some randomisation then doing its best to recreate the original image (which is never exactly the same as some randomisation has occurred in the blur). It does this for lots of images with the same keywords and looks for the points of similarity that make up the defining characteristics of the objects. ....
that's not how ML works - the AI creates new info from each training info - none of original pixels are reserved. instead a condensed matrix is prepared. then based on tags, those matrices are used to create an entirely new image. so the only question that remains is how owners of the million training images might be paid for the training. they have no claim to the new images created
780
« on: November 13, 2022, 07:18 »
... Amsterdam is one of the most visited and popular cities and photos of all the iconic places and buildings sell like wildfire to thousands of web sites. ..
of course it's also one of most photographed sites! so, new images arer not going to sell like wildfire to thousands of web sites. ..
781
« on: November 12, 2022, 14:09 »
Great to see your return Annie
I had a similar incident - i woke up one morning and couldn't use my right hand. Scary. my case was eventually diagnosed as a deposit on cervical vertebrate that pinched the nerve. i eventually was able to get much use restored as the nerve slowly regenerated but still have weak thumb/index finger and intermittent tremor which makes photography more interesting. it's now more of any annoyance than a handicap
782
« on: November 11, 2022, 14:20 »
my canva earnings have been stable over the last year - earning 50% or more over AS and often near SS
783
« on: November 11, 2022, 14:10 »
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This forum does not allow editing the post, so if I wrote the text with an error, I cant fix it. ...
yet another example of absolute ignorance! the 'modify' option clearly marked
784
« on: November 05, 2022, 09:55 »
Her Ugliness, here in the subject everyone complains about the drop in income, except for you. 
have you EVER bothered to actually READ the forum? you keep making things Up & that shows you haven't once again, your silly claims to absolute knowledge might have a bit more interest if you actually showed your portfolio. otherwise, your claims to be producing higher quality now are just bluster & hot air. In general, I think that either the algorithms have changed, or the buyers have left, or shutterstock is hiding my money from me. another possibility is you're not as good as you think you are and fail to compete in an always changing market.
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« on: November 03, 2022, 10:01 »
I bet they also try to retain rights to the AI images and add the ones actually purchased to the collection. Even replacing us in searches with images generated from ours 
no need to try - those are the terms of the AI generator. it's the same as if their employees created illustrations or photos the old fashioned way. shift happens.
I do hope this gets tested in court. Preferably in the EU where artists are more likely to get a fair deal.
what would a fair deal look like? what compensation would be appropriate for an artist who contributed 1 (or 100+) images to a training set of millions?
786
« on: October 30, 2022, 13:12 »
I bet they also try to retain rights to the AI images and add the ones actually purchased to the collection. Even replacing us in searches with images generated from ours
no need to try - those are the terms of the AI generator. it's the same as if their employees created illustrations or photos the old fashioned way. shift happens.
787
« on: October 30, 2022, 13:08 »
6. we probably agreed to the training by some clause in the terms of service, you can be sure they covered their legal ass before backstabbing u
Actually, no. I read the TOS carefully and did not find anything about this. They don't need our consent for their own ad usage, that's all. But this is not an ad, this is a profitable business.
So, AI is already trained, our works was already used. Against our will and without any compensation.
788
« on: October 30, 2022, 13:03 »
... dupe
789
« on: October 27, 2022, 14:10 »
Why are agencies refusing contributors AI generated images?
Because they want to create them on their own and not share the pie with us.
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i disagree w SS new policy -- they had been accepting almost all my DALL-E but rejected latest batch as Non-Licensable Content: We cannot accept this submission into our commercial or editorial collection, or we are no longer accepting this type of content.most other agencies reject because they're afraid of copyrights on the training set but SS avoids that problem because they are training only w images in their library & paying artists based on sales (ignoring fact that actual payments will be near 0)
790
« on: October 26, 2022, 12:37 »
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Amazon used a powerful AI to hire the beat and brightest. It filtered thousands of applications and was doing really well. Until one day the higher ups looked at their workforce and struggled to find a female.
What had happened was that the AI had become a misogynist. In fact it made the decision to deliberately seek out any female application and avoid processing it. It learnt rather interesting and efficient ways to do this. It would look at their applications and search for their school. If it was an all female school it rejected them immediately. If that didn't work it searched their social media.
you didnt mention this was still in the research phase when amazon discovered the bias & shut the program down before it went live https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-jobs-automation-insight/amazon-scraps-secret-ai-recruiting-tool-that-showed-bias-against-women-idUSKCN1MK08G And now we are going to enjoy SS's budget version. Which will do what. AIs generally become with each iteration more feral.
I would imagine it will completely destroy SS by using data sets that are completely false and will skew everything.
yes, your imagination! why would they be completely false? there are many examples of successful ML. and the current AI generators are far from being either 'feral' (whatever that means!) or 'false'. in fact, each iteration should make the AI stronger - what's your reason for saying more training will make the AI worse?
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« on: October 25, 2022, 12:57 »
By partnering with OpenAI for the training AI model for their content generation tool, we are ensuring that the new technology coming to our platform was created in an ethical and responsible way, which compensates the contributing artists whose original content was used in developing this tool.
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Given the availability of various AI content generation models in the marketplace, we are unable to verify the model source for most AI-generated content and therefore are unable to ensure all artists who were involved in the generation of each piece of content are compensated.
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will directly compensate Shutterstock contributors if their IP was used in the development of AI-generative models,
https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQShutterstock needs to be more transparent: - in ML the original images in the training dataset are not used for creating new content. The trained app doesn't have the original creator info. How can they identify each artist involved w/o knowing which images were used from the millions in dataset? most likely ALL images used in training generate 'income' for artists? So even if the
- How do they identify the IP of each image? why IP rather than artist ID since "Shutterstock maintains an internal database of all assets used in all datasets that have been created since the launch of this product, so we can compensate our contributors accordingly."
- What about users who don't have a dedicated IP but have a shared IP? The internet knows your IP address because it's assigned to your device and is required to browse the internet. Your IP address changes, though, every time you connect to a different Wi-Fi network or router.
792
« on: October 25, 2022, 12:21 »
I predicted too this move. I think it's necessary for agencies, unavoidable, and others will follow soon.
There will be hard legal wars, but this is the future and nothing will change it.
Now it will be very interesting to see if buyers have will and ability to use the AI feature.
I suspect that, after a first enthusiastic view, most of buyers will find how difficult is to translate in word what they have in mind (assuming that they have in mind a really specific subject)
We'll see. By the way, this step is inevitable
otoh, Microsoft is moving to allow anyone to use DALL-E
793
« on: October 24, 2022, 21:30 »
Is this a joke? Canva is a toy, its market share is insignificant, its user base almost entirely consists of hobbyists, mostly girls.
It's irrelevant in the professional design scene and Adobe likely wouldn't acquire it if it was free. ..
yet another sexist bloviation from a newbie troll who lacks the male accoutrements to show his own portfolio!
794
« on: October 22, 2022, 12:25 »
Why are you afraid to post the link to your port.
Because I saw the link to your port and thought, what's the point? What is anyone going to learn from a piddly little port like mine when they have access to the greatest shutterstock port of all time?
so who you gonna believe? some with nothing to back up their views or someone with a visible record? A small, public portfolio still outweighs the views of a large, hidden port
795
« on: October 22, 2022, 12:19 »
not so many seeing the desperate need of giving away his clips almost for free...adobe nominates only valuable clips seeing what they choose from my port...i mean they could choose unsold clips with low value just to fill the collection,they don't....
They monetize those videos . They have to pay 0 after those 8$. They will only select good sellers. If I would guess it will be 3 to 4x times more they would to pay in commissions to those acquired for 1 year files than if they had to pay a 35% for the sales they expect. Remember, they run the maths and they know exactly. 
have you read the actual AS offer?? they DON'T select only good sellers! exactly the opposite! they're choosing videos with at best a few sales in the last year! no reason to believe ALL those accepted would suddenly be getting many more sales. as far as making 3-4x more - unless you're Milo Minderbinder, it's hard to show a profit on FREE offerings. And after that year the artist still gets their commission instead the free collection is a loss leader - attracting users who they hope will stay to buy something
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« on: October 21, 2022, 13:17 »
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Why are you afraid to post the link to your port.
In fact, why are almost all users of this group afraid to post the link to your ports?
I'm sure all of us could learn from that.
or at least lend some credibility to their opinions/complaints
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« on: October 20, 2022, 15:50 »
reviewing recent sales from wirestock, i find many images AS & SS take from WS what they reject from me. eg, vintage anatomy, fashion, etc. My submissions (different images from same sequence) are rejected as 'non-licensable', 'requires property release', etc
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« on: October 20, 2022, 15:35 »
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I no longer use Wirestock. I recently submitted about 100 images with 90 of them rejected for "Poor aesthetic quality: Image aesthetics don't meet our requirements and the image cannot be accepted."
Well, poo, poo and stink on you. These images were accepted by the stock agencies I mentioned before.
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i've basically stopped uploading to WS too - the biggest problem is when they reject for stupid reasons, i then need to weed out from the submission what they rejected so that i can submit them to other agencies. combined with their incredibly slow review, what began as an intriguing alternative to adding metadata (worth the % they took) deteriorated another reason was their refusal to admit their system had bugs. users were unwitting beta testers. plus they release (unanounced) 'upgrades' that trashes what previously worked.
799
« on: October 19, 2022, 13:41 »
You can edit and draw a frame for it to fill in if it's cropped too tight
 The image the AI creates runs over the edges. How do I create a frame for something that doesn't exist?
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DALL-E sure creates some strange and bizarre images, when it comes to things mechanical. The AI doesn't understand construction and function.
when frame enlarged, AI can produce a reasonably accurate extension:  Image on right my actual image, but DALL-E phrase did not use it
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« on: October 19, 2022, 13:12 »
For places that do exist I see plenty of imagery already available that is 100% accurate. AI imagery for tourism, guides, reference etc is unlikely to take off because unless you can 100% guarantee it's exactly right, then there are likely to be problems for those use types. You can imagine confused tourists looking up at XYZ and saying, it looks nothing like that in the book!
in 2017 National Geographic ran a controversial cover. " The altered image was displayed to the unwitting reader without mention, leading readers to assume the pyramids were significantly closer to each other than they actually were."https://medium.com/engl462/visual-deceptions-national-geographic-and-the-pyramids-of-giza-3fee6d448d0d
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