Same here. I asked them to provide my last tax form and to specify the date of onboarding. How can I claim something hasnt changed for the period (which period?!) compared to something they are not providing?!
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Show posts MenuQuote from: zsooofija on June 09, 2020, 20:37Quote from: nd3000 on June 09, 2020, 19:47
Just to update on the actual topic. My current RPD is 0.736, excluding video which is not bad as I had some SODs that brought the average up.
I still hate the new earnings system and consider this an anomaly. I didnt jump ship so far as I wanted to gather enough data beforehand. I still resent the idea of selling subs for 10 cents. If it was possible I would opt out of selling subs to those buyers with large package deals, I surely would. Even if it meant a lot less money for me.
BUT I have to say that I am very honored to be in the company of some courageous people who disabled their portfolios straight away. If a change is goingto happen, it will be because of them and THEM only. My attitude in this matter is not fruitful BUT I gave myself 2 weeks to see where I stand. Even if I stay and my earnings dont change I will feel like a traitor.
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Quote from: pics2 on June 06, 2020, 11:37Quote from: nd3000 on June 06, 2020, 10:35Well, if it turns out to be 30%, it is not the end of the world, especially because Adobe is overtaking a part of your and everyone elses income. It is roughly 15% of overall loses then. Just trying to make things look better, since I noticed it took a big hit on you
I really dont like the negativity, guys stop it. People assuming higher levels could actually increase the earnings are VERY wrong. People who have large amounts of traffic and sales can provide better samples. I am nowhere near the big guns but I have managed to get here in 5 years while being a father of 2 while having other things to do. I really havent slept much, that is for certain 😂. I never wanted to negotiate a special deal nor do I intend to. What really pisses me off is that I have 20.000+ New photos ready to be uploaded which are way above my microstockish quality I have been adding thus far and I am not willing to upload high quality content to be sold off for 10 cents. So For the past months I kept uploading subpar quality images from 4-5 years ago..
So where does one sell high quality macrostock other than getty? I really dont fancy them either.Regarding your top quality content, well I know you are emotional, but Getty is still the biggest player in that field.
Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 11:18Quote from: nd3000 on June 06, 2020, 10:53
I believe you. As strange as it sounds some really did see a 200% increase during The past 2months without having covid images at all. Some glitch in the algorithm or pushing of some contributors to the front pages is real thing it seems. What bothers me is that I have seen in some post that The average RPD netted SS something like 3.5 if I recall correctly. For them to decrease the rpd for us from 0.6-0.7 to 0.4-0.5 is just pure greed. I think january reset should be abolished although itwouldnt affect me much as I would climb the ladder fast enough. Still its just a moneygrab scheme for them and an ugly one. Whats more important, they should change the minimum sub to something like 0.3 andthat should pretty much result in numbers similar to the old system forthe average contributor while still stimulating them to upload more as the ones higher up would be earning a bit more. It wont happen though, the sole reason was to stuff their hungry capitalist mouths even more.
My average rpd without enhanced was $0.52 and with the enhanced it was $0.64
My June rpd right now without enhanced is $0.56 and with the enhanced it is $0.86
I don't understand the huge difference in your portfolio and you have a big number of downloads, so your losses must in the hundreds right now. Are you commercial or editorial? I am asking because maybe editorial gets more large publication clients that would own those penny deals Shutterstock is offering. But commercial may keep attracting more smaller clients?
Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 10:34Quote from: nd3000 on June 06, 2020, 09:51Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 08:47Quote from: Pauws99 on June 06, 2020, 08:34
You are taking a 5 day sample of one person's earnings and then telling people they need to understand maths maybe you could brush up on your statistics.
With a 25% sample you can accurately determine election results also. It's called statistics and they work. The 25% is because I counted 5 working days out of ~20 average that stock sales are most active.
So please be as kind as to explain my numbers then. I am a mathematician and a software engineer by trade so I might know a thing or two. I have not been posting on forums because I am emailing shutterstock directly BUT I am lvl 6 and I have had a steady 500+ images sold on every freaking day for the past 3 years. That gives you a clear picture and a good enough sample to draw conclusions. 70% of the sales are below 0.2 and most are just 0.1. I do get 100+ sales as well but the overall numbers are dreadful. We are looking at a 30% decrease in earnings. I am waiting for another week and I am gone.
Look man, I trust what you are saying but I'm out of this sentimental bs that some people that can't calculate throw at me. I don't see a 70% below $0.2 like you, but more like a 40%. If you want to talk about it more accurately and compare stats feel free to pm me. If your portfolio had exactly the same tendencies like mine at the moment then you would have surely seen a +8% with the new system just because you are level 6 and I am level 5. I am willing to share screenshots, skype video call with you or whatever.
Quote from: pics2 on June 06, 2020, 10:12Quote from: nd3000 on June 06, 2020, 09:51You are right, I'm level 6 also, and the numbers look more like 40% to 50% decrease. Maybe you were talking about impact on your overall income (including all the agencies)?Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 08:47Quote from: Pauws99 on June 06, 2020, 08:34
You are taking a 5 day sample of one person's earnings and then telling people they need to understand maths maybe you could brush up on your statistics.
With a 25% sample you can accurately determine election results also. It's called statistics and they work. The 25% is because I counted 5 working days out of ~20 average that stock sales are most active.
So please be as kind as to explain my numbers then. I am a mathematician and a software engineer by trade so I might know a thing or two. I have not been posting on forums because I am emailing shutterstock directly BUT I am lvl 6 and I have had a steady 500+ images sold on every freaking day for the past 3 years. That gives you a clear picture and a good enough sample to draw conclusions. 70% of the sales are below 0.2 and most are just 0.1. I do get 100+ sales as well but the overall numbers are dreadful. We are looking at a 30% decrease in earnings. I am waiting for another week and I am gone.
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 06, 2020, 10:05Quote from: nd3000 on June 06, 2020, 09:51Thank you for this and taking the time to postQuote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 08:47Quote from: Pauws99 on June 06, 2020, 08:34
You are taking a 5 day sample of one person's earnings and then telling people they need to understand maths maybe you could brush up on your statistics.
With a 25% sample you can accurately determine election results also. It's called statistics and they work. The 25% is because I counted 5 working days out of ~20 average that stock sales are most active.
So please be as kind as to explain my numbers then. I am a mathematician and a software engineer by trade so I might know a thing or two. I have not been posting on forums because I am emailing shutterstock directly BUT I am lvl 6 and I have had a steady 500+ images sold on every freaking day for the past 3 years. That gives you a clear picture and a good enough sample to draw conclusions. 70% of the sales are below 0.2 and most are just 0.1. I do get 100+ sales as well but the overall numbers are dreadful. We are looking at a 30% decrease in earnings. I am waiting for another week and I am gone.
Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 06, 2020, 08:47Quote from: Pauws99 on June 06, 2020, 08:34
You are taking a 5 day sample of one person's earnings and then telling people they need to understand maths maybe you could brush up on your statistics.
With a 25% sample you can accurately determine election results also. It's called statistics and they work. The 25% is because I counted 5 working days out of ~20 average that stock sales are most active.
Quote from: jonbull on November 03, 2019, 17:11Quote from: nd3000 on November 03, 2019, 07:46Quote from: jonbull on November 02, 2019, 17:27Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 02, 2019, 15:16Quote from: jonbull on November 01, 2019, 17:52
the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f
https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618
this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.
i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.
Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?
Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.
The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?
Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.
The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)
But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?
well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe
the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is
https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10
is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.
In Serbia you pay 30$ for an average model but no model works for less than 20$ these days. Some with more experience have a wage as high as 65$/hr. So its pretty easy to see that an average set with 7-8 models will cost you around 1k. Not very expensive but not darn cheap either.
in serbia cost of life is one 4 of the rest of world...renting space is one tenth...model cost 30 dollar but you can find pretty darn good for 10 15 dollar.... it's not you or other serbian have more wish to shot is that you have cost 23 4 times inferior to the rest of the world...it's like producing cheap items in america or in china, it's not competitive for usa because cost are higher is the same....that'0s why most of house of production are in serbia russia and ukraine.
you have a portfolio that would have cost 5 times more than what you paid and you did in less than 2 3 year, try to work and produce such a portfolio in uk or italy ,, then you will see how much you would have earned and if you would have shot micro stock for living.....anyway next year i will move to belagreade for 2 months...already contacted many models from that agency and 30 dollar are for top notch model , other are happy with much less.
Quote from: jonbull on November 02, 2019, 17:27Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 02, 2019, 15:16Quote from: jonbull on November 01, 2019, 17:52
the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f
https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618
this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.
i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.
Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?
Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.
The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?
Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.
The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)
But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?
well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe
the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is
https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10
is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.