Author Topic: The game is rigged!! 🤬 (Read 3690 times)

FranckM · « **on:** October 19, 2023, 12:52 »

I'm 40 years old, a film producer for 12 years and I've been a contributor since 2017 on the main platforms (Shutter, Adobe, Getty, Pond5 and a few others).

At the beginning, business was growing quite well, but the main platforms have become less and less fair and I can no longer keep quiet!
Year after year, all these platforms have changed the game and the rules of the game, without ever consulting us, without consulting the people who make them money, because yes without contributors these platforms would never exist!

I will spare you the details that you all know: change in their policy of paying contributors as they wish, implementation of level systems based on the number of sales that we make, subscription system which penalizes the contributor, etc . In short, a huge lack of consideration for the work of all filmmakers, photographers, designers etc... To summarize, a turnover which decreases by 25% despite a higher number of downloads! And the icing on the cake now: AI

I hardly dare mention the reviews of the files, which are immeasurably absurd, for example, I sent two videos from the same series at the same time, same camera, same format, same resolution, etc. .. one file was accepted, the other refused for poor resolution! it's the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is the goal except to make you crazy and lose time? Or maybe they have a number of rejection they have to do to be able to say “yeah we have curated footage!”…

And now the AI: after reducing contributor payouts so their investors could make more millions, they all said, "NO AI ACCEPTED"...and now what do they do?? They each create their own image generator!!!
Adobe was the only transparent and honest one for me, from the start they accepted AI images developed alongside Firefly, but Shutterstock, Getty, who said NO AI IMAGERY and have now launched their own AI!! WHAT PURPOSE?? Remove all contributors? Earn more money? Destroy creativity? And what's more, all their communication is now mainly focused on AI!! Proud to show that they have over millions of AI generated images, millions of images that the photographer probably has in their portfolio and won't sell.

I got more than fed up with all this, so I created my own archive site to no longer depend on these people, a platform created by filmmakers for filmmakers.
https://footage.film/

I decide to go in the exact opposite direction of them:

- They created a subscription that customers pay for every month hoping that you won't use all your credits or worse, you forgot that you have a subscription on their platform and continue paying for something you don't use. So, on my site, NO SUBSCRIPTION, only a clip package with NO EXPIRATION date, you get what you pay for, it's simple! If you pay for 500 clips, you get 500 clips no matter how long it takes you to download them, 10 days or 5 years, that's for you to decide

And you know what ? I also created a lifetime offer, if you invest and believe in us, you deserve it so you will have unlimited download access to our platform for the rest of your life!

- They jack up the price of the license if you want to use it for TV or film etc. So many licenses for so many uses! Please can you make things more complicated to make sure we make a mistake and thus be able to ask for more money?? So for me I keep things simple, ONE LICENCE for all media, viewers, worldwide and timeless. Creators should be able to focus on their creativity and not on these kinds of details.

- LESS but GOOD: we upload only curated content, and we organize them !!!! Who wants to spend 10 hours searching for one image or video in the middle of millions of footage that are unusable??

So if you want to be part of the change, say stop to all these big companies selling our works for pennies, and start believing that your work deserves a platform that understands what a filmmaker's job is. Visit us, support us, and why not join us 😉and if you just want to take a look and leave a comment, big or small, you have my eternal gratitude🙏

Franck
https://footage.film/

blvdone · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2023, 15:43 »

Do you offer FREE clips and cheap subs?

That's a hard work you did to make your own site. One of the top stock video creator Hotelfoxtrot tried it too, but didn't work out well.

But I hope this will work out well for you. I can't think of myself doing it, but congrats for actually doing this for you. Wish you a success!!

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2023, 15:56 »

As you noted, we all know about the sad state of stock agencies, but if you want to generate contributor interest in your site - and I assume that's why you posted here - you need to add information about two important things:

1. What is your marketing plan? If you build it, they will come isn't one

2. What are the terms and royalty rates for contributors? Offering a large price for any number of lifetime downloads sounds great for the buyer, but what does a contributor make out of that?

I don't do video, so I'm just posting the questions to encourage you to be transparent with those you aim to recruit as contributors.

FranckM · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2023, 13:52 »

Quote from: blvdone on October 19, 2023, 15:43

Do you offer FREE clips and cheap subs?

That's a hard work you did to make your own site. One of the top stock video creator Hotelfoxtrot tried it too, but didn't work out well.

But I hope this will work out well for you. I can't think of myself doing it, but congrats for actually doing this for you. Wish you a success!!

@blvdone thank you for your message and your encouragement it warms my heart

To answer your question we do not offer free clips or cheap subscriptions, the concept of subscription is a concept which in my opinion has reached these limits. Today we have subscriptions for everything and anything and we find ourselves paying subscriptions for things that in the end we rarely use, if not at all.
This is why we chose the clip pack option, but if you want more informations you will find it on our pricing pages: https://footage.film/pricing and at the bottom of the page in the frequently asked questions

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on October 19, 2023, 15:56

As you noted, we all know about the sad state of stock agencies, but if you want to generate contributor interest in your site - and I assume that's why you posted here - you need to add information about two important things:

1. What is your marketing plan? If you build it, they will come isn't one

2. What are the terms and royalty rates for contributors? Offering a large price for any number of lifetime downloads sounds great for the buyer, but what does a contributor make out of that?

I don't do video, so I'm just posting the questions to encourage you to be transparent with those you aim to recruit as contributors.

@Jo Ann, Thank you again very much for your response and your input.

1. Concerning the marketing plan: it exists and it is very specific, I hope you will understand but we are a little reluctant to make it public.

2. Concerning Terms and royalty rates for contributors: You are right and I should have mentioned more information : 50% on single clip sales, we also distribute a significant percentage of the sale of each of the packages to the pool of contributors, regardless of the downloads of the files of each of them. The more the turnover of the platform increases, the more the remuneration of the pool of contributors increases (in short the opposite of the big platforms)

We are not looking for a large number of contributors, but video contributors who are experts in their field. As an example, for today we have only one external contributor in the collection underwater.

It also seems important to me to point out that our contributors do not provide titles, keywords or descriptions, our SEO team provides this service to our contributors. Our contributors commit to providing 12 premium collections per year (from 20 to 180 clips per collection).

After 2 years of collaboration with the platform, a stock options program is automatically triggered for the contributor. There are many other benefits that we have put in place for our contributors (who are true partners for us and with whom we maintain a personalized relationship) but you will understand I must respect the rules imposed on me by my legal advisor

I hope I have answered your questions as best as possible. If I haven't been complete enough and you think i should give more informations, don't hesitate to get back to me.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2023, 14:30 »

I just want to say that contributors shouldn't feel that they need to sell videos at subscription prices in order to compete. Otherwise, you are buying into the same game that's frustrating you in the first place.

Even SS has always had two pricing models: Bargain Basement vs Premium. i.e. $529 per clip for Shutterstock Select videos.

https://www.shutterstock.com/pricing/video

If your videos are good enough, you should value your work higher than subs prices. Or at the very least one should go back to video pricing prior to when the agencies introduced their subs models.

This looks very cheap, or have I missed something?

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Creator
500 clips
No expiration date
290€
Less than 1$ per HD clip

Cider Apple · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2023, 16:23 »

I can see the reasons why you're doing this. I've thought about it myself along the way. You have a large catalog of clips and think heck why shouldn't I just sell my own clips and bring fellow contributors along with me? The times we're living in are difficult/different from the past. TBH the next generation don't see an issue with subscriptions and as everyone can now pretty easily capture decent enough footage then the price falls. It's all a numbers game.

I do see an issue with you hating the subscription method but you yourself have priced the clips directly into that category. You can download 500 clips for 990 euros. So thats 1.98 per download. Minus 50% leaves the contributor with 0.99 per download. Thats not taking in the fact that a partner can pay 5000 but after that can have (free) downloads forever.

Unless my numbers are wrong then your selling an idea that contributors could potentially receive the $100+ for a single download from times gone by when realistically it's under a dollar.

I'm not hating, just stating that the prices are not too far away from subscriptions anyway.

Good luck though and I applaud you for giving it a go.

However I feel the future is in AI though. Look at what Pika Labs are doing in AI video. It's amazing. I'm keeping a close eye on it as it can potentially do for video what midjourney did for images/illustration.

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2023, 02:58 »

From what I understand your website is based in Andorra la Vella. I know it very well as I spent more than 15 years descending the mountains Soldeu, el tarter, Canillho on Snowboard or ski

.

You are a producer so you know the price cost of filming, equipment, etc...right?
Now here is the problem: I know the price of things there in Andorra and you cannot even buy a coffee to the contributor after you made a premium clip sale to him. Are you following my point?

in short: It's not cheap subs but it's cheap deal for a contributor point of view.

Sorry Frank, but I don't see joining your site from a contributor perspective since i really value my work more than you can offer me at the time.
Perhaps as a client I would be attracted to your clips just for a specific project nothing more.

Anyway, good luck to your site!
Best Regards!

Stockmaan · « **Reply #7 on:** October 21, 2023, 05:17 »

in the end, only agencies that value human work and not artificial intelligence will survive. This will happen very soon. Man is not a robot and never will be. Humans have emotions, not machines. I hope some agency realizes this soon, otherwise it will fail!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 21, 2023, 11:04 »

Let us know when there will be sales on your site and the authors will start receiving income. Then I'll think about registering.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #9 on:** October 21, 2023, 12:00 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on October 21, 2023, 05:17

in the end, only agencies that value human work and not artificial intelligence will survive. This will happen very soon. Man is not a robot and never will be. Humans have emotions, not machines. I hope some agency realizes this soon, otherwise it will fail!

I'm afraid it's exactly the opposite,soon Getty and Shutterstock will also follow Adobe's example and start accepting AI content,because if they don't they will sink.

this depends IF they are still interested in continuing,because it is also possible that they will simply slowly disappear into the darkness among all other agencies,because Adobe's system is clearly better,a community of creators,artists who can grow together is something innovative and unbeatable.

we are not only contributors for Adobe,don't forget,our interests coincide with Adobe Systems Incorporated,a multinational computer software company of which a branch is Adobe Stock.

For all the other microstock agencies we are just contributors.

yes,I also prefer taking photos with my DSLR and I like real contents,and this will always be there,but the truth is that what can be created with AI is not possible to create in reality,just as there are contents that for legal reasons or other reasons,cannot be created with AI.

Now I'm going back to generating with Firefly,all of you can do as you like!

and happy weekend everyone!

FranckM · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2023, 05:42 »

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This looks very cheap, or have I missed something?

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I do see an issue with you hating the subscription method but you yourself have priced the clips directly into that category. You can download 500 clips for 990 euros. So thats 1.98 per download. Minus 50% leaves the contributor with 0.99 per download. Thats not taking in the fact that a partner can pay 5000 but after that can have (free) downloads forever.

Unless my numbers are wrong then your selling an idea that contributors could potentially receive the $100+ for a single download from times gone by when realistically it's under a dollar.

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You are a producer so you know the price cost of filming, equipment, etc...right?
Now here is the problem: I know the price of things there in Andorra and you cannot even buy a coffee to the contributor after you made a premium clip sale to him. Are you following my point?

in short: It's not cheap subs but it's cheap deal for a contributor point of view.

In the kind of way, if you make a ratio between price and number of clip, yes you're right it's cheap, 0.99€ for hd clip but... we make it in a different way and maybe i didn't explain it well.

What the contributors will recieve is an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made, whatever the client download your footage or not (@Evaristo: i think you can buy a coffee with this

) + plus the percentage on the individual sells.
Something I also didn't say is that each of our contributors automatically becomes an affiliate and if they bring in customers they will earn a percentage of all the customer's purchases for their lifetime.
We are not thinking in the same way than the other platforms, we are not thinking in term of unknown contributor, we are thinking in term of partner and that's why we are looking only for few contributors. That's why, as I mentionned earlier, we also provide stock options of the plateform after 2 years of collaboration.

We also manage all the metadata part (title, description, keyword,..) to allow you to focus only on your creativity. You just have to upload your footage and wait for your earnings (and besides we don't ask for exclusivity).

We also provide datas and informations about the activity on the platform, we provide also help if needed in post production and contact with our partner for equipment to allow our contributors to improve their next production.

Our goal is not to become the new Shutterstock, we want exclusive relation with our contributors, we want Human relation.

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Let us know when there will be sales on your site and the authors will start receiving income. Then I'll think about registering.

@stocker2014 : we just launch the website now and we are going to launch advertising campaign in the coming days but even without this we already start to have sells. we can talk in private if you want more informations

About AI, i'm more agree with @stockmaan, i mean why the platform will need contributors if their clients have the possibilities to create whatever they want just by typing few words ? you can play as much as you want with firefly, but if the client can do it by themself who gonna buy your "creation" ? In my opinion you're just training the tool that will take your job soon.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2023, 11:11 »

Quote from: FranckM on October 22, 2023, 05:42

About AI, i'm more agree with @stockmaan, i mean why the platform will need contributors if their clients have the possibilities to create whatever they want just by typing few words ? you can play as much as you want with firefly, but if the client can do it by themself who gonna buy your "creation" ? In my opinion you're just training the tool that will take your job soon.

this is a topic in which there are many opinions,especially those who already earn very well with the microstock are obviously angry,worried and against this technology,but not everyone,there are also those who already earn very well and started using AI straight away.

because creating with AI has a cost,because creating with AI takes time,there is a growing market for AI imagery,it is simpler and cheaper to purchase already generated content.

contributors are always necessary,also because there is content such as editorials and other types of content that cannot be generated with AI.

in my opinion,with me or without me,the AI will be trained anyway.

thinking of stopping AI in some way is impossible.

I wish you the best in your project,I'm sure you'll get something good out of it,although soon videos generated by AI will also be widespread,in a year at most.

cascoly · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2023, 12:30 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on October 21, 2023, 05:17

in the end, only agencies that value human work and not artificial intelligence will survive. This will happen very soon. Man is not a robot and never will be. Humans have emotions, not machines. I hope some agency realizes this soon, otherwise it will fail!

interesting - most of the comments here claim ai is going to run them out of business (even though few agencies actually accept ai)

f8 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2023, 15:59 »

I just took a look at your site. As usual I did a search in my area of knowledge and only one image showed up and it was not footage of the search I typed. You will have to up your game if you expect talent to come on board.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2023, 16:14 »

I looked at the prices. Subscription stock. But the price is much higher than that of well-known competitors. Why should customers buy a subscription from you if for $16 a month the buyer gets full unlimited access on other similar sites.
Such prices may only be of interest if your site has exclusive content.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2023, 13:32 »

Quote from: cascoly on October 22, 2023, 12:30

Quote from: Stockmaan on October 21, 2023, 05:17
in the end, only agencies that value human work and not artificial intelligence will survive. This will happen very soon. Man is not a robot and never will be. Humans have emotions, not machines. I hope some agency realizes this soon, otherwise it will fail!

interesting - most of the comments here claim ai is going to run them out of business (even though few agencies actually accept ai)

While you are correct about agencies that ACCEPT AI, some of those also have their own image generators using their own data for machine learning, which means they might not accept ours, but they are selling their own. That includes, allowing customers to create images with AI from the specific database.

In which case, they are creating competition from AI images.

No I don't find this to be doom, or the end to photography. Mostly I can see AI images making a real dent in the illustration business, before photos (and only some areas of real photo) and possibly later video.

As I've said before, as a personal view, Microstock is already dead, AI can't make it much worse.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2023, 16:11 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 23, 2023, 13:32

Microstock is already dead, AI can't make it much worse.

putting AI aside,Microstock is not dead but it is simply no longer for amateurs who want to make easy money,if you want to make money in this game you have to put money into it,travel,buy expensive equipment,models etc.

for those who started many years ago it was simpler,because they had the opportunity to immediately earn large sums with little effort,and start investing and growing.

today,however,you have to start with the investment if you want to hope to have some better return,and of course work hard every day.

with AI the situation does not change,Adobe credits are an example of this,how many credits can you buy?this is the only real question in the AI game,then of course you also need to have a minimum of creativity and experience,but if you don't have money to Investing is a long climb!

anyway yes,now the traditional microstock,non-editorial or not of specific places and a few other things,is dead because of AI,and AIs can and have already made it worse.

that's why I try to earn some extra money on AI now,and I will focus in the future,when AI will be almost obsolete,(1 year?less?) on editorials and photos and videos of specific places and there are also other things that AI can't do.

erik trikowich · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2023, 16:55 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 23, 2023, 16:11

that's why I try to earn some extra money on AI now,and I will focus in the future,when AI will be almost obsolete,(1 year?less?) on editorials and photos and videos of specific places and there are also other things that AI can't do.

Why write this? Now everyone who has invested billions in artificial intelligence will commit suicide.
I'm afraid you'll become obsolete faster than AI.

Annie2022 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2023, 17:05 »

Quote from: FranckM on October 22, 2023, 05:42

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This looks very cheap, or have I missed something?

In the kind of way, if you make a ratio between price and number of clip, yes you're right it's cheap, 0.99€ for hd clip but... we make it in a different way and maybe i didn't explain it well.

What the contributors will recieve is an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made, whatever the client download your footage or not (@Evaristo: i think you can buy a coffee with this ) + plus the percentage on the individual sells.
Something I also didn't say is that each of our contributors automatically becomes an affiliate and if they bring in customers they will earn a percentage of all the customer's purchases for their lifetime.
We are not thinking in the same way than the other platforms, we are not thinking in term of unknown contributor, we are thinking in term of partner and that's why we are looking only for few contributors. That's why, as I mentionned earlier, we also provide stock options of the plateform after 2 years of collaboration.

We also manage all the metadata part (title, description, keyword,..) to allow you to focus only on your creativity. You just have to upload your footage and wait for your earnings (and besides we don't ask for exclusivity).

We also provide datas and informations about the activity on the platform, we provide also help if needed in post production and contact with our partner for equipment to allow our contributors to improve their next production.

Our goal is not to become the new Shutterstock, we want exclusive relation with our contributors, we want Human relation.

About AI, i'm more agree with @stockmaan, i mean why the platform will need contributors if their clients have the possibilities to create whatever they want just by typing few words ? you can play as much as you want with firefly, but if the client can do it by themself who gonna buy your "creation" ? In my opinion you're just training the tool that will take your job soon.

Ok, so what you are saying is, 'an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made', plus 'individual sales', plus customer referral bonuses, plus profit share. I'm still not sure what the first two equates to. You may need to give people some examples.

I would love to see someone start an agency who understands the premium market for stock video (and photos), and yes, there are some mid-stock agencies who are doing that - and not keep perpetuating the perception of cheap footage.

It would be about marketing their agency to premium buyers, at premium prices - and playing to their strengths. Number 1 strength is: it is NOT AI. Discerning buyers can tell the difference, and don't want cheap imitations. One doesn't have to sell clips for $500/clip like Shutterstock Select, even though there is a reason why SS is doing that (higher profit margins compensate for bargain-basement deals). One could go back to the original market value of around $70/HD clip, plus higher pricing for 4K and extra seats, before the agencies introduced video subs. AI is only competing with Microstock, not with Premium stock. At least not at this stage. (Touch wood).

And who knows, Midjourney may even have their pants sued off. I am also a member of the Australian Society of Authors and keeping up with the development of authors' lawsuits against AI agencies. And who knows, AI might take a completely different turn if they get hit with too many lawsuits. (Wish we had something like that for photographers).

I understand your situation, FranckM, and commend your efforts, and my comments are not just for you. Its your agency and you can do what you like, we all wish you luck, and right now you are probably regretting ever posting this thread. lol.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2023, 18:53 »

Quote from: erik trikowich on October 23, 2023, 16:55

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 23, 2023, 16:11
that's why I try to earn some extra money on AI now,and I will focus in the future,when AI will be almost obsolete,(1 year?less?) on editorials and photos and videos of specific places and there are also other things that AI can't do.

Why write this? Now everyone who has invested billions in artificial intelligence will commit suicide.
I'm afraid you'll become obsolete faster than AI.

obsolete for contributors,not for agencies or companies,Erik!

and yes you are absolutely right!I will become obsolete long before AI!

cascoly · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2023, 15:00 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 23, 2023, 16:11

putting AI aside,Microstock is not dead but it is simply no longer for amateurs who want to make easy money,if you want to make money in this game you have to put money into it,travel,buy expensive equipment,models etc.....

what's really happening is the tougher chance to do stock full time. and putting money into travel is hardly the best approach to full time as it's already saturated.

i've been retired for awhile & i do manage to pay for 2 intl trips each year from stock income, but i wouldnt try to raise a family on it

of my travel pix the best sellers are generic people eating and casinos on cruise ships, not the destinations themselves

Injustice for all · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2023, 19:05 »

Quote from: cascoly on October 24, 2023, 15:00

Quote from: Injustice for all on October 23, 2023, 16:11

putting AI aside,Microstock is not dead but it is simply no longer for amateurs who want to make easy money,if you want to make money in this game you have to put money into it,travel,buy expensive equipment,models etc.....

what's really happening is the tougher chance to do stock full time. and putting money into travel is hardly the best approach to full time as it's already saturated.

i've been retired for awhile & i do manage to pay for 2 intl trips each year from stock income, but i wouldnt try to raise a family on it

of my travel pix the best sellers are generic people eating and casinos on cruise ships, not the destinations themselves

I agree,traveling is definitely no longer so much about the locations themselves,but more because you still have the opportunity to photograph different subjects,but then it depends on the locations,the little-known ones are better as you know,I have photos of rural towns unknown to 99.9% of the world's population that they sell!

mine was a general discussion,because the money to make a good real microstock is definitely needed,don't tell me,my video camera does a max of 3840×2160 and another one that I have is HD max!

FranckM · « **Reply #22 on:** October 25, 2023, 06:57 »

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I looked at the prices. Subscription stock. But the price is much higher than that of well-known competitors. Why should customers buy a subscription from you if for $16 a month the buyer gets full unlimited access on other similar sites.
Such prices may only be of interest if your site has exclusive content.

@stoker2014
there is a BIG DIFFERENCE for us : with subscription whatever how many movie you produce per year you have to pay every month while ours packages have no expiration date, if you take 5 years to download your 500 clips it's your problem, you only pay for what you use and not for what you might use

let's be honest, what unlimited subscription offers it's not a true unlimited, you're limited to a number of download per day, for example artlist, it's 20 music per day or week i don't remenber and they say unlimited..maybe we don't have the same definition of unlimited lol

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I just took a look at your site. As usual I did a search in my area of knowledge and only one image showed up and it was not footage of the search I typed. You will have to up your game if you expect talent to come on board.

@f8
you make me curious

what is your speciality ? of course we don't have all the footage, we try to have diversity but this is also why we open the door to few partners which have different type of footage.

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Ok, so what you are saying is, 'an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made', plus 'individual sales', plus customer referral bonuses, plus profit share. I'm still not sure what the first two equates to. You may need to give people some examples.

I would love to see someone start an agency who understands the premium market for stock video (and photos), and yes, there are some mid-stock agencies who are doing that - and not keep perpetuating the perception of cheap footage.

It would be about marketing their agency to premium buyers, at premium prices - and playing to their strengths. Number 1 strength is: it is NOT AI. Discerning buyers can tell the difference, and don't want cheap imitations. One doesn't have to sell clips for $500/clip like Shutterstock Select, even though there is a reason why SS is doing that (higher profit margins compensate for bargain-basement deals). One could go back to the original market value of around $70/HD clip, plus higher pricing for 4K and extra seats, before the agencies introduced video subs. AI is only competing with Microstock, not with Premium stock. At least not at this stage. (Touch wood).

And who knows, Midjourney may even have their pants sued off. I am also a member of the Australian Society of Authors and keeping up with the development of authors' lawsuits against AI agencies. And who knows, AI might take a completely different turn if they get hit with too many lawsuits. (Wish we had something like that for photographers).

I understand your situation, FranckM, and commend your efforts, and my comments are not just for you. Its your agency and you can do what you like, we all wish you luck, and right now you are probably regretting ever posting this thread. lol.

@Annie2022
I don't regret anything, quite the contrary, I find that the discussions here are structured, constructed and detailed and it's super interesting!

even if I agree that AI must be legally regulated in terms of copyright, I admit that I have difficulty seeing today in which direction it will go. I just hope that artists will be protected.

sorry if i was not clear enough about the pricing and the contributor earnings. We have two offers on our website, you can buy a single clip (39$ in HD or 99$ in 4k) or you can buy a package of 500 clips (299$ Creator pack, 990$ Pro pack, 4990$ Partner), we redistribute 37% of sales to the contributors, i think it's quite easy to calculate

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