Post by: Microstockphoto on December 07, 2016, 16:50
wont keep my hopes up though, probably it will all be dire again next week ;D
Post by: CJH Photography on December 07, 2016, 17:19
Post by: HalfFull on December 07, 2016, 17:30
we moan a lot, so when things are looking good they deserve a mention as well. feels like december of old, $$$ galore
wont keep my hopes up though, probably it will all be dire again next week ;D
Not just me then. Week days have picked up very nicely, been a 100+ each day so far this week....so yeah, they're doing really well! Hopefully it continues :-)
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on December 07, 2016, 17:35
Post by: Dumc on December 07, 2016, 17:37
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 07, 2016, 17:42
Post by: Desintegrator on December 07, 2016, 17:59
Post by: Giveme5 on December 07, 2016, 18:15
Post by: marthamarks on December 07, 2016, 18:22
Post by: JaenStock on December 07, 2016, 18:25
Post by: mboy on December 08, 2016, 00:22
DT, FT and IS close to 0
Post by: Thomas from France on December 08, 2016, 01:20
Volume as usual... but mostly subs.
By the way, no EL since several months.
Post by: Chichikov on December 08, 2016, 01:43
If it goes on like this I will have my WME…
On the other side, Fotolia and Dreamstime (yes Dreamstime!!!) are doing very well.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 08, 2016, 03:48
Post by: gyllens on December 08, 2016, 03:54
Post by: akaza on December 08, 2016, 04:26
Post by: Stickystock on December 08, 2016, 05:01
Let's keep score: Sells are Great: 2 Sales are Poor: 2 8)
;D ;D ;D
+ 1 poor :P
Post by: dpimborough on December 08, 2016, 05:04
Post by: mindoozas on December 08, 2016, 05:26
Post by: Pauws99 on December 08, 2016, 05:46
Post by: kuriouskat on December 08, 2016, 06:40
Rubbish never picked up after July :'(
+1
Post by: pancaketom on December 08, 2016, 07:23
Post by: angelawaye on December 08, 2016, 09:51
Post by: Noedelhap on December 08, 2016, 10:02
Post by: candidcruiser on December 08, 2016, 10:05
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 08, 2016, 10:59
We all know that for the Holidays it's going to be worse, last two weeks of month with New Years will drop like dead zepplin. January is one of the worst months. Misery loves company, we all know what's next and it's coming soon.
Dec 2016 above Dec 2015 but big day on the 2nd. Make New Years predictions not sales predictions,, day by day we don't know what will be a big day or average day. If you do, you are the first ever.
Post by: Dumc on December 08, 2016, 11:21
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 08, 2016, 11:25
Even if it's beggining of the month, you can quickly see pattern. If first 7 days are bad, it's not too much chance that your going to have best or good month.
How are your weekends compared to rest of the week. 1st was Thursday. Of course the first 7 days will be lower then if the 1st was a Monday! Let me say, first 7 days included Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 08, 2016, 16:07
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 08, 2016, 16:20
yadaya, i just read through the comments, no one said anything a bout a bad month, just how the month has been so far. stop being so angry man, people discussing sales on a stock forum, God verbid
OK :) Happy grouch is that better?
Dec. so far has been a weekend. 20% down, from what? Very low sale. Bad since July. It started off really well but kinda quiet the past few days. This december is the best.
7 days including a weekend. Are Friday and Monday best days of the week? Weekends are worst.
Give it a chance. That's what I say. Gets much worse in two weeks.
Talk about too much analysis with little data.
Post by: Dumc on December 08, 2016, 16:39
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 08, 2016, 16:48
You still haven't explained, how do you know, you had 8cents sale at DT if your acc. is closed....?
Sorry didn't see you asked that.
Post by: Giveme5 on December 08, 2016, 17:04
Post by: Desintegrator on December 08, 2016, 17:12
Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
Post by: Millionstock.com on December 08, 2016, 18:53
Post by: Minsc on December 08, 2016, 19:51
Post by: BigBubba on December 09, 2016, 03:45
Commission of 50-105$ (at least that's how I call it a 4K sale).Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
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Post by: gyllens on December 09, 2016, 08:12
Now if that happened to me after 12 years and a portfolio of that many files I think I would quit actually because I would take it as an insult. I mean they are showing a steady quarterly increase all the time so the question is where on earth is the money going? since nobody here is really showing an alarming rise in sales nor money.
On the whole I think we might look upon ourselves as not too hard done by comparison to people like that. :)
Post by: Sebastian Radu on December 09, 2016, 08:36
Edit: I just received 1.58$ for one SOD.... pffff....
Post by: candidcruiser on December 09, 2016, 08:38
Post by: Giveme5 on December 09, 2016, 08:40
Everyone concentrates on the number of files at SS but no one gives a stat on the increase in the number of contributors in the past five years. SS is doing fine, the pie is just being divided up into many more pieces.
Well stated - a true fact !
SS is now my third best earner in the business....
Post by: Dumc on December 09, 2016, 08:43
Everyone concentrates on the number of files at SS but no one gives a stat on the increase in the number of contributors in the past five years. SS is doing fine, the pie is just being divided up into many more pieces.
That doesn't explain sudden drops in sales, one month good, next month 50% down...
Post by: gyllens on December 09, 2016, 08:45
Everyone concentrates on the number of files at SS but no one gives a stat on the increase in the number of contributors in the past five years. SS is doing fine, the pie is just being divided up into many more pieces.
Oh sure you are right of course and another mistake is to always quote number of files and quantity instead of earnings? we always hear of so and so such and such have millions of files instead of earnings.
I know some people with only a couple of thousand of files and because their portfolios are very special and niched they earn far far more then quantity portfolios.
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 09, 2016, 10:50
Everyone concentrates on the number of files at SS but no one gives a stat on the increase in the number of contributors in the past five years. SS is doing fine, the pie is just being divided up into many more pieces.
That doesn't explain sudden drops in sales, one month good, next month 50% down...
You hit that one. We can't explain but people keep trying to invent reasonable reasons to explain. Some invent unreasonable reasons, excuses and accusations that the sales are manipulated by agencies. Share the wealth or sell new lower cost pictures or some other reason why it's not fair and somebody else is getting better treatment.
We can't explain. I can only reason that competition means dilution of sales and lower income. All the rest is just conjecture and guessing. Unless somebody has proof of the claims beyond, other people say they see it too. People claim to see ghosts, it doesn't make them real.
Post by: FlowerPower on December 09, 2016, 12:21
Everyone concentrates on the number of files at SS but no one gives a stat on the increase in the number of contributors in the past five years. SS is doing fine, the pie is just being divided up into many more pieces.
Oh sure you are right of course and another mistake is to always quote number of files and quantity instead of earnings? we always hear of so and so such and such have millions of files instead of earnings.
I know some people with only a couple of thousand of files and because their portfolios are very special and niched they earn far far more then quantity portfolios.
I thought the problem was spammers being in front. Any other wild guesses? More contributors means more files, they are the same problem.
Looks like SS took downallmost of the spammers. I was following a few portfolios with high ranking images that had spammy titles. They're no longer showing up on search results and their portfolios are gone from the site.
I think many contributors will see a small sales bump next week.
I'm waiting? Or is this meaning Dec is going to be better with less spam titles? Where's the bumb.
Post by: wordplanet on December 09, 2016, 13:06
Post by: Asthebelltolls on December 09, 2016, 13:35
though I don't like the lower price ($16.99),
...me too. Oh, well....do with or do without? I guess I'll have to settle with "do with" and move on.
Post by: Noedelhap on December 09, 2016, 16:50
Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
It was a sale in the $50 range, so that can only be a 4K sale.
Post by: DC on December 09, 2016, 18:48
Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
It was a sale in the $50 range, so that can only be a 4K sale.
There is really no good way to tell. I've had videos sell for around $100 that are not available in 4k. The only way I know of to tell if it was a 4k sale is if you make $59.70 because that is 30% of the listed 4k price.
Post by: gyllens on December 10, 2016, 03:32
Getty btw hardly ever sell 4K and thats strange considering the kind of buyers they have.
Post by: Desintegrator on December 10, 2016, 11:05
Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
It was a sale in the $50 range, so that can only be a 4K sale.
Is it for sure? I've had $150 sales on clips only available in 1080p
Post by: ngaga35 on December 10, 2016, 17:55
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Post by: op on December 10, 2016, 22:19
Getty btw hardly ever sell 4K and thats strange considering the kind of buyers they have.
My results are quite different.. This year on Getty, I sold more 4K than any other sizes.. 1080p is a close second though.
Post by: gyllens on December 11, 2016, 02:53
Getty btw hardly ever sell 4K and thats strange considering the kind of buyers they have.
My results are quite different.. This year on Getty, I sold more 4K than any other sizes.. 1080p is a close second though.
Yes I have had some 4K sold as well at GI. On the whole though 1080 is the best seller by far.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 13, 2016, 02:11
Post by: lotzik on December 13, 2016, 08:04
My speculation is that: because my best selling shooting (of all time) was shot on Nov 15, it gave a big boost of sales. I've heard that image sales drop after their first year in circulation so maybe that's the main reason to see this. Didn't expect it so sudden however.
(https://s29.postimg.org/gl6ndh8ar/dec16.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gl6ndh8ar/)
Post by: Noedelhap on December 13, 2016, 08:47
Some On Demands, one 4K video sale, so it's a nice start of the month for me. Not in terms of download numbers though.
How can you know that a video sale is 4K? I don't see the size at video sales
It was a sale in the $50 range, so that can only be a 4K sale.
There is really no good way to tell. I've had videos sell for around $100 that are not available in 4k. The only way I know of to tell if it was a 4k sale is if you make $59.70 because that is 30% of the listed 4k price.
I normally make around $23 per video sale, never had $100 for those. Is that some kind of special sale?
The amount I received for my sale was $55.87.
Post by: Giveme5 on December 13, 2016, 09:33
Herrible month. It's 40% lower than two months ago!!!
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You need to compared apples to apples thus compare last year December to this year December.
Post by: kuriouskat on December 13, 2016, 11:23
Herrible month. It's 40% lower than two months ago!!!
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You need to compared apples to apples thus compare last year December to this year December.
Apples to apples:
First 12 days of Dec 2016 is down 47% on the same period 2015 and 58% down on 2014.
Fortunately a couple of other sites are picking up the slack to a degree, but it's going to be a lean Christmas at this rate.
Since the summer, and after what appears to be three arbitrary search changes that haven't been in my favor, the Shutterstock bubble appears to have finally burst.
Post by: ngaga35 on December 13, 2016, 11:32
I compared last year December, not to mention December over 8 year!!! I'm here very long, and was very successful. Now I can't say that.Herrible month. It's 40% lower than two months ago!!!
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You need to compared apples to apples thus compare last year December to this year December.
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Post by: PixelBytes on December 13, 2016, 12:46
I compared last year December, not to mention December over 8 year!!! I'm here very long, and was very successful. Now I can't say that.Herrible month. It's 40% lower than two months ago!!!
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You need to compared apples to apples thus compare last year December to this year December.
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Join the club. "WAS very successful " won't get you much sympathy around here.
Post by: ngaga35 on December 13, 2016, 12:51
Post by: PixelBytes on December 13, 2016, 13:01
I'm not asking for!!! I'm just stating the facts here, as we all do!!!
I was agreeing with you. Jeez.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 23, 2016, 15:29
Post by: YadaYadaYada on December 23, 2016, 15:38
i spoke too soon, what a load of crap, haha, it's really rapidly declining
I can agree with you on the rest of the month from today on. Holidays started and until new year, don't expect much to be going on anywhere in the world.
Just under Dec. 2014 and I'm not optimistic that 2016 will match or beat that total. 2016 has passed Dec. 2015. I'll watch and 8% below isn't impossible, but it's holiday week.
Not the worst, not the best, 2nd of all time for Dec.
I've said before, I'm pretty steady. I can add 1000 photos and money stays steady same. None of us want that, but there's the truth. Add a years worth of new work and nothing goes up or down much. Maybe that's what I need to do just to stay the same earnings where the market has competition adding millions of new images against me?
Post by: mboy on December 24, 2016, 00:26
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on December 24, 2016, 11:24
Post by: Mantis on December 24, 2016, 15:19
Volume is way down - about 50% of what it used to be - but money is OK due to ODs/SODs. Much to my surprise some new images have been selling so I guess that depends on getting the right subject.
Same here. A few big OD's and a 4k video sale with 10-13 HD video sales helped make my month with SS better than average.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 24, 2016, 15:47
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 24, 2016, 15:47
Post by: Dumc on December 24, 2016, 16:09
I remember last year, dreamstime was giving 100% royalties for all sales on Christmas, and I actually had a sale that day netting me 13$. True miracle considering DT is pretty much dead for me.
Post by: ngaga35 on December 24, 2016, 16:12
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Post by: Mantis on December 24, 2016, 16:43
mantis you always say that for each month., so basically each month you have big sales saving your month, maybe those regular big sales are just the norm then.
Pretty much, yes. Volume is down most always. It's the OD's and such that save me. When those go, well......we know how that discussion will evolve.
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 25, 2016, 02:15
Post by: Dumc on December 25, 2016, 02:31
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 25, 2016, 02:45
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Post by: Dumc on December 25, 2016, 02:47
Post by: gyllens on December 25, 2016, 03:52
Post by: cascoly on December 25, 2016, 15:37
December so far seems to be a BAD sign for 2017.
most reports seem to show DEC is always a bad month compared the rest of the year - the last 2 weeks being particularly slow; so hardly any predictive value for the coming year (yet another argument for using 3-6 month averages for comparisons)
Post by: Pauws99 on December 25, 2016, 17:57
Post by: photoboxer on December 25, 2016, 19:52
Post by: Smithore on December 26, 2016, 04:05
Post by: Microstockphoto on December 31, 2016, 11:36
Post by: gyllens on December 31, 2016, 13:22
So people we are not alone far from it.
Post by: Dumc on December 31, 2016, 16:09
Post by: pancaketom on December 31, 2016, 16:29
An even more shocking statistic is that I have to go back to my 2nd month with SS to have a lower number of downloads - with 1.2% of the images.
Post by: Minsc on December 31, 2016, 16:53
What can I say, 2016 has been very good to me. I expect 2017 to be another great year and handily outperform 2016. I wish a Happy New Year to everyone.
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on December 31, 2016, 17:17
Post by: LDV81 on December 31, 2016, 18:53
Might be interesting to know! This factory with a few photographers with over 100.000 files at Shutterstock. Spoke to one of them this morning. Yesterday they had 2 downloads and today at 12 noon still nothing. I cant even put in writing what they said about SS.
So people we are not alone far from it.
December was dire for me too. Pathetic. Last December was also bad, but I had roughly twice as many downloads then.
I can think of 3 possible explanations:
1. Major search engine change, possibly punishing contributors who get $0.38 / DL.
2. Exodus of relatively many large clients to competition.
3. Errors in sales reporting. If my balance can increase incorrectly tenfold out of the blue and other glitches happen all over the place, I would not exclude this possibility at this moment.
If you guys had a good December, what is your royalty per download? If you had a bad month what is yours?
Mine is $0,38 and December sucked big time.
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on December 31, 2016, 19:05
Post by: LDV81 on December 31, 2016, 19:43
Average royalty per download of $22.55 but they're all video.
I didn't mean average royalty, but the royalty rate based on lifetime earnings. SS earns more when files from lower-tier contributors get downloaded, so theoretically there might be some motivation to "tweak" the search engine accordingly.
Post by: dbvirago on December 31, 2016, 20:04
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on January 01, 2017, 01:38
Post by: gyllens on January 01, 2017, 03:06
Some legal people are actually debating if this is 100% legit or not since its a purposely orchestrated way of tampering with peoples earnings. Even in the private sector you have to follow certain praxis or code of ethics.
I cant remember if it was Pickerel or somebody else the bapla or something who was going to bring this up during 2017.
Anyway this is one of the reasons why some big members are getting fed up and trying their luck with the macro/ traditional agencies.
Post by: OM on January 01, 2017, 05:52
Might be interesting to know! This factory with a few photographers with over 100.000 files at Shutterstock. Spoke to one of them this morning. Yesterday they had 2 downloads and today at 12 noon still nothing. I cant even put in writing what they said about SS.
So people we are not alone far from it.
Makes me feel somewhat better with less than 700 files but I have never had 2 consecutive days of zero sales until now (30th and 31st Dec). Money OK for the month thanks to more than $100+ in SODs but down from Dec 2015 by 16% and downloads almost halved! Fails to inspire for 2017.
Post by: mboy on January 01, 2017, 06:53
Post by: Zero Talent on January 01, 2017, 10:31
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 01, 2017, 10:46
Not a good month, relatively speaking, but slightly up compared with my previous December ;)
Pretty much the same here. Better then 2015, very close behind 2014. Dec. is not a good month in general.
Funny how that works. Worst month 2016 was March. Best month 2015 was March.
Here's to 2017.
Post by: FlowerPower on January 01, 2017, 11:14
LDV81, 0.38 contributors are getting punished all the time and in every search change. Less money in royalty payouts for the company. Thanks to the Internet this "con" is possible.
Some legal people are actually debating if this is 100% legit or not since its a purposely orchestrated way of tampering with peoples earnings. Even in the private sector you have to follow certain praxis or code of ethics.
I cant remember if it was Pickerel or somebody else the bapla or something who was going to bring this up during 2017.
Anyway this is one of the reasons why some big members are getting fed up and trying their luck with the macro/ traditional agencies.
Pretty big alligantion do you have anything to proof that contributors are being punished, that it's a con or there is tampering with earnings.
Who are legal people debating if this is legit. Do they have some proof that your claims are real? Can you show us the evidence?
Who's Pieckerel or BAPLA going to bring this up with? But mostly how do we know this is true and real? I don't see any change in my earnings after making 38c level?
Post by: dpimborough on January 01, 2017, 15:19
SS had the the worst performance in over 2 years