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« on: December 20, 2020, 11:50 »
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If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock (https://www.Shutterstock.com) donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?

In the last 4 quarters Shutterstock has licensed 181,900,000 image uses at an average price of $3.55 each. If we divide 181,900,000 into the $4,598,580 that would give us $0.0252 (about two-and-one-half cents) per image licensed. Not very much, but pennies count. The average image creators only gets a royalty of about 26% of the $3.55 or $0.923 (less than $1.00) for each image licensed. An additional $0.0252 raises the royalty to $0.9482 (almost $0.95), almost a 27% royalty rather than 26%.

But, of course, Oringer is entitled to compensation to support himself and his family and for the work he has done over the years to build Shutterstock.

On the other hand, instead of receiving a salary could he sell some stock.

As of 1 December 2020 he owned at least 13,602,824 units of Shutterstock Inc (https://wallmine.com/nyse/sstk ) stock. Todays price for that stock is about $68.40 per share so the value of his stock is $930,433,162 -- almost $1 billion. 

Oringer became the first photography billionaire in 2013, but over the last few year Shutterstocks share price has faltered from time to time. At one point the share value was down to paulry $600,000,000. How could anyone survive on so little money?

Nevertheless, thanks to the 2020 economic crisis, as of 1 December 2020, his Net Worth was estimated to be in the range $1.2 Billion dollars. Over the last 7 years he sold SSTK stock worth over $271,824,319. See here (https://wallmine.com/nyse/sstk/insider-trading ) Does he really need an additional $4,598,580 compensation? Maybe he could even give up twice or 3 times as much!

Currently there are about 370,000,000 million images in the Shutterstock collection, Thus, with 181,900,000 images licensed annually the average image creator has about one image licensed for every two images in the collection. There are about 650,000 contributors, Thus, the average contributor has about 569 images in the collection, licenses right to about 278 images annually and earns about $256.59.

Oringers annual salary (not counting stock appreciation) is 17,922 times the average annual earnings of Shutterstock contributors (workers). According the U.S. government statistics, since 1978 the average CEOs compensation has grown 940% while typical worker compensation has only risen 12%, and not kept up with inflation. In 1965 the ratio of CEO-to-worker compensation was about 20-to-1. By 2018 that ratio had grown to 278-to-1.

Of course, there are a few contributors who have many more images-in-the-collection, a much higher ration of images-licensed to images-in-the-collection and earn a lot more annually.
For them an additional $0.0252 per image licensed might be significant.

It is also worth noting that during the last year (https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/shutterstock-q3-2020-financial-results ) Shutterstock has grown its collection by 18%, saw a decline of 5.5% in the number of images licensed and about an 8% decline in revenue paid image creators.

In fairness to Oringer, this is how capitalism in the United States works. It is not unique to the photography industry. The person who comes up with a marketable product, or marketing idea, can benefit hugely compared to what those who put in time, energy and money receive. This is particularly true if the product costs the seller nothing to produce, and the seller can simply compensate the producer with a small percentage of revenue generated if and when the product sells.

https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/whats-fair-compensation

https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/shutterstock-public-offering


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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 23:22 »
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2020, 07:04 »
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If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock, donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?

Waiting for the 4th Q report, but I have to ask, that would mean we'd get 12 cents a download minimum, instead of 10c a download. Well that's exciting::)

As for Jon donating his pay to us?



Didn't he used to take $1 a year as pay? When did that change?

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2020, 08:39 »
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If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock, donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?

Waiting for the 4th Q report, but I have to ask, that would mean we'd get 12 cents a download minimum, instead of 10c a download. Well that's exciting::)

As for Jon donating his pay to us?



Didn't he used to take $1 a year as pay? When did that change?

He got $1 a year, but stocks equivalent to $4,598,580 every year as well, as a perk. Not sure how or if that's changed since he's no longer CEO.

« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2020, 10:55 »
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If the average price for SS sells was 3.55 per image. What was your average per sale ?  Maybe 5% of 3.55......????

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2020, 16:18 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 17:21 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2020, 18:06 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

I live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost beggars and now have great fortunes.

Tenebroso

« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2020, 18:14 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

I live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.

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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2020, 18:27 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?
live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost .beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.

I think we can all find common ground in acknowledging the disappointment we all feel in our governments, left or right.  I personally wouldn't proudly wave a flag for either side.

« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2020, 19:48 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

I live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.

Hola Tenebroso, Saludos! Espero que est bien!

« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2020, 19:58 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?
live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost .beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.


I think we can all find common ground in acknowledging the disappointment we all feel in our governments, left or right.  I personally wouldn't proudly wave a flag for either side.
I agree with you, I am neither right nor left, neither feminist nor sexist, nor lgbt or any of those things that are in fashion now. I am just an ordinary person.

In my country these people have been governing for 21 years, they have won the odd election fairly but most have been cheated. At first they used the voting system of the Smartmatic company, whose founder is a Venezuelan engineer. With that company many elections were held which were fraudulent.

Venezuela is on the way to having a dictatorship like Cuba, since I don't know of right-wing dictatorships that have lasted as long as those of the left.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2020, 20:12 by alexandersr »

farbled

« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2020, 20:13 »
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In my country these people have been governing for 21 years, they have won the odd election fairly but most have been cheated. At first they used the voting system of the Smartmatic company, whose founder is a Venezuelan engineer. With that company many elections were held which were fraudulent. Here is an article with something else about the Smartmatic company.

I live in a "social democratic" country (Canada, basically a capitalist country with socialist policy, but that is debatable depending on where on the spectrum you are) and in our case, elections are simple.

We generally have a choice between one of two parties which largely do the exact same things until we throw them out by electing the other party. Rinse and repeat every 4-8 years.  Keeps the sign painters employed at least. We have the same polarization effect trying to take root here that we see in the US, but so far its not quite so apparent.

Tenebroso

« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2020, 20:14 »
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Hola Tenebroso, Saludos! Espero que est bien!


Todo bien, gracias, igualmente.


You already know that we lived 40 years of fascist dictatorship.


I hope to soon meet another reality in your country. My sincere support and solidarity. Hopefully, it will be resolved soon. You are a strong country, you will get ahead. I want it to be solved as soon as possible and recover your normality. They are many years of pain. Luck.

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2020, 06:23 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

I guess Trump is a leftie too then.

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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2020, 06:28 »
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I guess we can agree on the fact that no matter from which side (left of right) or how fairly someone came into power, power almost always corrupts. We've had left-wing dictators, right-wing dictators, and anything inbetween. Neither side is inherently good or bad. However, anything that becomes extreme, is in a sense, bad for the people, whether it's on the left or right side of the spectrum.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2020, 06:30 by Noedelhap »

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2020, 09:09 »
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I think we can all find common ground in acknowledging the disappointment we all feel in our governments, left or right.  I personally wouldn't proudly wave a flag for either side.

Thank You, I'm so tired of people taking sides when they don't see that politicians are only interested in their own power and control. Oh and of course pandering to the voters by lying about what they will do for us.




« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2020, 10:53 »
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I guess we can agree on the fact that no matter from which side (left of right) or how fairly someone came into power, power almost always corrupts. We've had left-wing dictators, right-wing dictators, and anything inbetween. Neither side is inherently good or bad. However, anything that becomes extreme, is in a sense, bad for the people, whether it's on the left or right side of the spectrum.
I feel that theres never been a time when people have felt the need to support "their" side no matter what. In the real world of people I've met and some I've known very well sometimes they are right sometimes not sometimes I agree with them others not. If I thought otherwise it would be idolatory.

« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2020, 14:48 »
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...  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! ...

ROFL - as opposed to rightwing senators who used confidential, insider info to buy stocks to profit from the covid pandemic! or a tax cut that benefits the top 1%

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2020, 13:19 »
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...  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! ...

ROFL - as opposed to rightwing senators who used confidential, insider info to buy stocks to profit from the covid pandemic! or a tax cut that benefits the top 1%

Because he wanted to get more of the left votes from the wealthy, who supported people like Hillary?

"Interestingly the Democratic party as a whole skews towards the wealthy. The New York Times noted in October 2016 that in a recent poll 45% of households making over $100,000 were voting for Democrat Hillary Clinton opposed to 28% of Republicans voting for Trump. Those earning above $250,000 were even more skewed towards Hillary, with 53% planning to vote for her vs only 25% for Trump."

Facts don't lie?

Tenebroso

« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2020, 14:17 »
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This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2020, 14:21 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2020, 16:19 »
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The only thing he will try to improve is his bank account. He has been very clear about that with his actions.

farbled

« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2020, 16:31 »
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2020, 09:26 »
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The only thing he will try to improve is his bank account. He has been very clear about that with his actions.

^this^

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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2020, 15:10 »
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This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

Are you talking about the one we just elected or the one that's leaving.  ;D

When there are only two candidates for two Presidential elections and most of the people from either side, want neither of them, we get this kind of near 50/50 result.

People shouting and arguing, has never changed anyone on the other sides opinion or mind. So what we get is polarized, shouting, claims, lies and angry, for NOTHING! Oh it does make enemies and make friends dislike and distrust people they would otherwise be closer to. I see no gain and no purpose to the constant biased opinions.

No... violence is not the answer. Working within the system is the right answer.

farbled

« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2020, 17:18 »
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I think what frightens me from the outside looking in, is that Trump got so many votes after being very open about his racism, bigotry, misogyny, and openly lying about so much, so often, while promoting divisiveness and hate and ignoring a pandemic that is killing thousands upon thousands. It goes well beyond party loyalty in my opinion, this is cult behavior.

Not sure Biden is the right guy, but literally anything is better than what you have now, even Pence would be better. At least they might show up to work.

Tenebroso

« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2020, 19:45 »
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This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

Are you talking about the one we just elected or the one that's leaving.  ;D

When there are only two candidates for two Presidential elections and most of the people from either side, want neither of them, we get this kind of near 50/50 result.

People shouting and arguing, has never changed anyone on the other sides opinion or mind. So what we get is polarized, shouting, claims, lies and angry, for NOTHING! Oh it does make enemies and make friends dislike and distrust people they would otherwise be closer to. I see no gain and no purpose to the constant biased opinions.

No... violence is not the answer. Working within the system is the right answer.



I'm going to repeat it, trying to develop the phrase.

The Civil War, unfortunately, is the only possible way, available in the USA, that allows to restart the country. I wish I was wrong.


« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2020, 22:30 »
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I think what frightens me from the outside looking in, is that Trump got so many votes after being very open about his racism, bigotry, misogyny, and openly lying about so much, so often, while promoting divisiveness and hate and ignoring a pandemic that is killing thousands upon thousands. It goes well beyond party loyalty in my opinion, this is cult behavior.

Not sure Biden is the right guy, but literally anything is better than what you have now, even Pence would be better. At least they might show up to work.

Kamala Harris is the right one for President. Times will turn.

Tenebroso

« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2020, 23:07 »
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Harris is likely to be a living legend in America.

However, remember that it is not about Trump's actions, examples, ideas and words. It should be borne in mind that 70 million have supported his management. People who believe his lies. Absent from the news and in an alternate world. For years to come, the internet will continue to work their minds, and minors will continue to absorb hatred.

I don't see a solution, there are 70 million people. There cannot be 70 million fools. Therefore, there are 70 million people who see something else. This is simply unbearable.

You can aspire to a president who at least tries to do something other than breed hatred among his citizens. But how do we bring 70 million people into the real world?

« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2020, 03:02 »
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Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

The only thing that violence does is creating misery that makes things worse, so in the end people would realize that violence isn't the solution, and they start talking again to find a way out of their dispute leaving both parties behind with bitter memories to what happened.

So why we need violence in the first place if we know that it doesn't really solve anything? Hell I don't know.

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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2020, 13:15 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

Don't know what you mean to be honest but anyhow there is no money or power with leftie comany just misery and wishful thinking and that do not generate money not even an income.
As far as Oringer? well just have an educated guess.

« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2020, 01:01 »
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New year is coming.. Dont know if I should laugh or pitty for those whose portfolio still up in ss and planning to continue with shitterstock (even my phone dictionary is now adapted to "Shitterstock") 😅

« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2020, 01:04 »
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I think what frightens me from the outside looking in, is that Trump got so many votes after being very open about his racism, bigotry, misogyny, and openly lying about so much, so often, while promoting divisiveness and hate and ignoring a pandemic that is killing thousands upon thousands. It goes well beyond party loyalty in my opinion, this is cult behavior.

Not sure Biden is the right guy, but literally anything is better than what you have now, even Pence would be better. At least they might show up to work.
We always think it's worst but there is always worse to see in furure

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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2020, 03:19 »
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...there is no money or power with leftie comany just misery and wishful thinking and that do not generate money not even an income.

Have you just completely made that up?! Or do you have any data to suggest that that 'leftie companies' have no power, no money, do not generate money... not even an income? You're aware that your very first example of a 'leftie CEO' was Oringer... the 'leftie CEO' who has a net worth of over $1bn, right?!

Please tell me you're not mistaking a company with a left-leaning CEO to be the same as some kind of communist or socialist organization?!

« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2020, 03:21 »
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It's funny to hear about "lefties" in the US.

D.am.n commies.

Tenebroso

« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2020, 03:46 »
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It's funny to hear about "lefties" in the US.

D.am.n commies.

They grew up with an education that can sound the alarm at school if the Communists come. It is another universe alien to the outside world. The concept of homeland, flag, and the center of the world somewhat confusing for the rest of humanity.

Tenebroso

« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2020, 04:01 »
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You, you have to listen more to your veterans, they, met La Nueve (The 9th Company), communists, and fought side by side against fascism. And they can confirm that they do not have tails or horns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Nueve


Tenebroso

« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2020, 04:20 »
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A big problem this of Communism and the radical left. Terror. Phobia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Trece_Rosas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo0iu-Mpbg0

« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2020, 04:32 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

Yes, yes, they lefties. That is why they are always pushing for better government regulation and higher taxes on the rich. Oh no wait, that's literally the opposite of what they are doing.

« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2020, 04:41 »
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Maybe we should not mix different things, Tenebroso. Spanish Civil War is a very complex conflict with no similarities in the American History and not easy "good ones" and "bad ones" In fact, the organizations which these women came from were a part of Russian repression in Madrid.

Of course these women were guilty of nothing, their assassination was another awful war crime.
But the USA is not Europe in the 30's and European Communism from this age is a really bad example.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2020, 06:07 by trabuco »

Tenebroso

« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2020, 04:43 »
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@ Trabuco I know we do not agree on politics. No problem.


Now that you have two winning presidents, divide the country, so the taxes are managed independently. In addition to education in schools. Health. Hate and freedom of expression. Abortion, immigration, transsexuals, gays, feminists, lame and bald. And the entire pack.

« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2020, 05:52 »
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@ Trabuco I know we do not agree on politics. No problem.


Now that you have two winning presidents, divide the country, so the taxes are managed independently. In addition to education in schools. Health. Hate and freedom of expression. Abortion, immigration, transsexuals, gays, feminists, lame and bald. And the entire pack.

Well, what I don't understand of the USA are mainly the basic things. And we agree in that. Can be wrong in our view but not in rights like good education, freedom of speech, health, abortion or gay marriage and adoption. I mean, if you have to pay more than a few bucks (or cents with prescription) for an asthma inhaler then you are not free. You can like or dislike this, but If you go to bankrupt when you are ill how can you talk about freedom? Or if you can't raise a child without bank loans. I mean, in Europe we are not all f commies. I don't like commies as you realize.

The USA reminds me another recent empire with people living worse each year and a insane military budget eating all the taxes from their money. Plus the f crazy people growing and growing... claiming weird things with machine guns. I really like the American people and their culture, but can't understand well the country, is like an illusion where big salaries mean nothing at this time.

Please no offense, you crazy americans. I'm pretty sure my view of the country is quite wrong and I'm not giving any lesson. Europe is screwed too.

Love, respect and happy new year to all of you.


Tenebroso

« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2020, 07:30 »
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I don't know why the USA feels so distant to you. We are the ones who have been living on the continent the longest, except for the natives. And they still have trouble defining ethnicities and races. Now they call us, not white. However, it is clear that the country is divided in two. The closest definition is that half follows the news from the media, and the other half follow Trump.

« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2020, 08:16 »
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Well, so the british, the german and the dutch call us "non white" or "spaniard white"   ;D It's like a joke. I really like to be black, I love the Blues.

I think that the same thing is happening here and in the rest of western countries, not just in the USA and, in the USA, not just in one side. There is hate speech everywhere and polarized societies in all countries. Politicians and media are crap everywhere, not just in one side. Have to think that most of Trump voters read several newspapers and watch several tv channels too. At least in the same proportion that Biden voters.

In Europe It's really hard to read a newspaper. Some media like The Guardian just invent the news, I have read fake news about Spain. And in Spain all newspapers and tv channels are garbage. All of them, pure s.

So, we have the same problems. We are lucky because we have a bigger structure over the countries with strong rules in some issues, but without the EU Europe would become a jungle. But we have some kind of stability that is our biggest richness. We are going to see soon our strongness together with the british chaos.

Maybe in America people have to find a way to fight for a better life beyond the two parties. Poverty is a domination mechanism in both capitalist and communist countries.


« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2020, 10:08 »
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Well, so the british, the german and the dutch call us "non white" or "spaniard white"   ;D It's like a joke. I really like to be black, I love the Blues.

I think that the same thing is happening here and in the rest of western countries, not just in the USA and, in the USA, not just in one side. There is hate speech everywhere and polarized societies in all countries. Politicians and media are crap everywhere, not just in one side. Have to think that most of Trump voters read several newspapers and watch several tv channels too. At least in the same proportion that Biden voters.

In Europe It's really hard to read a newspaper. Some media like The Guardian just invent the news, I have read fake news about Spain. And in Spain all newspapers and tv channels are garbage. All of them, pure s.

So, we have the same problems. We are lucky because we have a bigger structure over the countries with strong rules in some issues, but without the EU Europe would become a jungle. But we have some kind of stability that is our biggest richness. We are going to see soon our strongness together with the british chaos.

Maybe in America people have to find a way to fight for a better life beyond the two parties. Poverty is a domination mechanism in both capitalist and communist countries.

Completely agree with you! I live in a socialist country and a lot of people are eating crap, despite the false promises of socialism about equality and better quality of life. :(

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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2020, 10:59 »
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I don't know why the USA feels so distant to you. We are the ones who have been living on the continent the longest, except for the natives. And they still have trouble defining ethnicities and races. Now they call us, not white. However, it is clear that the country is divided in two. The closest definition is that half follows the news from the media, and the other half follow Trump.

Actually if you look at it, half don't like one side and the other half doesn't like the other side. Not many like anything.  ;D

Besides that, anyone who is outside and looks at the news, is just as misguided by polarized agendas as the simplistic view that, there are two ends. The actual alignment is much more in the middle, but the extremes talk the most and shout the loudest.

Part of the ratings game has become, leaning towards one side or the other. What ever happened to impartial? So people go to the stations and the news and the talk, that agrees with their views the most. Then they get confidence and rewarded by hearing people that agree with them, and avoiding people that don't.

Anyway the main honest point is, don't believe the extremes or that they actually represent the people in the United States. The far left is just as "out there" as the far right. Some of the most racist groups are racial advocacy groups. Not a pretty picture, but also not much different from many other countries in the world. In some ways better, because there's actually some openness and discussion, where other places, you can have freedom of speech, but the next day, you might never be heard from again.  ???

Free speech is good, even if I have to listen to people I disagree with. I support freedom of expression, for everyone, on an equal basis.

« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2020, 11:13 »
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Well, so the british, the german and the dutch call us "non white" or "spaniard white"   ;D It's like a joke. I really like to be black, I love the Blues.

I think that the same thing is happening here and in the rest of western countries, not just in the USA and, in the USA, not just in one side. There is hate speech everywhere and polarized societies in all countries. Politicians and media are crap everywhere, not just in one side. Have to think that most of Trump voters read several newspapers and watch several tv channels too. At least in the same proportion that Biden voters.

In Europe It's really hard to read a newspaper. Some media like The Guardian just invent the news, I have read fake news about Spain. And in Spain all newspapers and tv channels are garbage. All of them, pure s.

So, we have the same problems. We are lucky because we have a bigger structure over the countries with strong rules in some issues, but without the EU Europe would become a jungle. But we have some kind of stability that is our biggest richness. We are going to see soon our strongness together with the british chaos.

Maybe in America people have to find a way to fight for a better life beyond the two parties. Poverty is a domination mechanism in both capitalist and communist countries.

Completely agree with you! I live in a socialist country and a lot of people are eating crap, despite the false promises of socialism about equality and better quality of life. :(

In Europe and in Spain we should make a clear bet for democracy and prosperity in Hispanoamrica. We should focus on there not just for pictures in summits.


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« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2020, 17:31 »
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...there is no money or power with leftie comany just misery and wishful thinking and that do not generate money not even an income.

Have you just completely made that up?! Or do you have any data to suggest that that 'leftie companies' have no power, no money, do not generate money... not even an income? You're aware that your very first example of a 'leftie CEO' was Oringer... the 'leftie CEO' who has a net worth of over $1bn, right?!

Please tell me you're not mistaking a company with a left-leaning CEO to be the same as some kind of communist or socialist organization?!

But thats exactly what I mean!  he was until the day he started to make fortunes and then he switched very quickly and moved towards the right!  thats what I am saying.
Anyway forget about the politics waffle. The simple answer is NO! I don't think Jon would lift a finger not even a toe to improve or make things better and besides he does not hold a majority anymore so how could he?

Tenebroso

« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2020, 19:35 »
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I don't know why the USA feels so distant to you. We are the ones who have been living on the continent the longest, except for the natives. And they still have trouble defining ethnicities and races. Now they call us, not white. However, it is clear that the country is divided in two. The closest definition is that half follows the news from the media, and the other half follow Trump.

Actually if you look at it, half don't like one side and the other half doesn't like the other side. Not many like anything.  ;D

Besides that, anyone who is outside and looks at the news, is just as misguided by polarized agendas as the simplistic view that, there are two ends. The actual alignment is much more in the middle, but the extremes talk the most and shout the loudest.

Part of the ratings game has become, leaning towards one side or the other. What ever happened to impartial? So people go to the stations and the news and the talk, that agrees with their views the most. Then they get confidence and rewarded by hearing people that agree with them, and avoiding people that don't.

Anyway the main honest point is, don't believe the extremes or that they actually represent the people in the United States. The far left is just as "out there" as the far right. Some of the most racist groups are racial advocacy groups. Not a pretty picture, but also not much different from many other countries in the world. In some ways better, because there's actually some openness and discussion, where other places, you can have freedom of speech, but the next day, you might never be heard from again.  ???

Free speech is good, even if I have to listen to people I disagree with. I support freedom of expression, for everyone, on an equal basis.


I am very grateful for your words. There are very interesting things in your words.

Me, seeing it from the outside nothing at all, at this point it is not the first time that I comment that my partner is from the USA and I have been fighting for decades to change the laws against the arguments of not being able to insult is censorship.

About my grandfather, in NY, and his three American decades, I'll tell you another day.

Our minors cannot consume your trash of insults, slights, disqualifications, hatred and hostile environment on the internet.

I know the legislation by heart and the arguments of practically all hate groups in the USA, the decisions of the Supreme Court around the concept of not legislating on hateful feelings. And you see, you are not going to convince me of anything, since I am talking about the experience of living in a zone of peace. Where the day to day, confirms that gays are normal people.

Multinationals are already getting it, soon, less harmful messages will reach your mind.

We take measures every day, so that it does not happen to us like in the Swedish elections, Brexit or Trump. And so we will continue.

To insult Gays, it will be in your town church, not on the internet. This you must assume as censorship of hatred and freedom for people. As APPEL said, the moral obligation of responsibility towards humanity.

I'm not Gay, but for you, as if I was. The rest of the pack, exactly the same. You know, with UE IP, respect comes first. In your house do what you want.

This is not about taking away your freedom by demanding a mask for you, it is about a worldwide virus attack. And you will put on a mask to protect the one in front.
We do not close bars and restaurants to earn money from Ukraine or nonsense or Chinese flu crap. We close bars to save people.

If you think being gay is a disease, say it at home, not on the internet.


It is difficult for you to understand the rights of others, but you will see, the right to information, the right to honor, the right to privacy and the right to intimacy is paramount. And of course, take the fake news before the judge. You cannot say what you want, when you want, and how you want, not even being an American.

The big multinationals understand it based on sanctions. You see, your minors will be brought up with the hatred of the father, not with the hatred on the internet.

Now you tell me again that the media eat my head and manipulate me.

In case you don't know, you are losing every battle. For many dollars that hate groups received, money destined to help families and restaurants from the first aid of covid, we are more. We do not forgive and we do not forget.

Remember, hate speech has been very well defined for decades, you are not going to continue with your hatred on the internet. And believe me, I love freedom of expression.

Rather, you should focus your effort on those things that work in other developed countries and not rely on what your neighbor says, or rumors. A town without information is a lost town.

I know the arguments by heart of listening to the American national supremacy, even you repeat them and make them yours. Freedom of expression has limits, if you are healthy, you will observe the changes over the years.

Remember, to insult, in a town hall on Sundays or Thursdays, not on the internet.

Our boys, most of them are vaccinated and laugh, some believe it, this is the problem, we had overcome it decades ago. Freedom of expression does not give the right to the Crime of Hate Speech, nor against women, Islam, transsexuals,...... you will evolve, the American people seem to have said that the country must change now.


Another possibility is that you do not have to get weapons for the population, you are already armed, the civil war awaits you, and correct the errors of the previous one, so that it is the last one and not have another in a few years.


No matter what the votes, justice, or democracy say, a large percentage of Trump supporters know what Trump's divine word is.

You can start whenever you want. Is the only way.


You can put on the mask if you want, the vaccine if you want, but on the internet, you are not going to fill the heads of our minors with hatred, keep that in mind. Keep heat in your house.

Weapons do not affect us, you can put a tank in the schools, and guard the teachers' backs, put the army in the schools, it does not affect us. Hate on the internet does affect us.


Like suicide induction, actual threat, and defamation, you are gonna eat the Hate Speech Crime with chips. Freedom of expression does not mean urinating on feminists in public. You will evolve as a country.


You do not have adequate information, here, if you make a false video, you pay the penalty that the judge determines, we have information, and I respect people.

You will learn.

Thank you.

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« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2020, 19:58 »
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Are you replying to the wrong person... or are you just putting Pete on the stand to answer for the crimes of all Americans?

Tenebroso

« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2020, 20:12 »
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You made me laugh, thank you. She made a comment that I should not speak, because the media misinform me and distort reality.
All Americans? No, just 70 million, that's a lot of people. It is very complicated. And we are talking about a president who is on the networks every day asking for strength, and don't steal, fight and more. You and the rest know how the situation is
Freedom of expression, yes. Of course.

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« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2020, 15:10 »
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Are you replying to the wrong person... or are you just putting Pete on the stand to answer for the crimes of all Americans?

Wow I have no clue what he was ranting about. I went straight down the middle, both sides are too extreme, special interest groups are only asking for their special rights, news and talk are polarized and feeding people one sided information, from their limited fairness, and suddenly? I'm not going to answer, it's impossible to make sense of what he wrote. I think there's some kind of translation issue or language barrier going on.

Happy New Year everyone, lets hope for a better 2021.

« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2020, 15:39 »
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A good thing about royaties cut: We upload less stuff and can talk about politics here. In fact I'm thinking in stop uploading to all agencies. With the pictures I have now I can buy some equipment every year, I hope.

Happy new year and stay safe. The 3rd wave in Europe is scaring.

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« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2020, 18:28 »
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All good. From the future, this is our year. You can go to 21, all calm.

« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2021, 16:42 »
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If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock (https://www.Shutterstock.com) donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?
AND YOU CREATORS ARE STILL UPLOADING YOUR WORK you must be joking, no employee is worth nearly 4.5 million dollars.

Wow that are really laughing all the way to the Bahamas.

Come On you lot wake up!!!!!!!!!!!

« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2021, 16:55 »
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Im really loving my $4 sales days now.

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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2021, 08:54 »
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Im really loving my $4 sales days now.

If I have one day like that, not including ELs or a big OD, I'll write.

Meanwhile, I've got my camera and I'm riding the fast lane, on the road to riches.



We're off!



« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2021, 11:24 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

100% correct.


« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2021, 11:43 »
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Im really loving my $4 sales days now.

Sean you are living good. My sales days now are 80 cents on SS. Soon we will get the free Biden phones and free money for all each and ever week. Let the good times roll. Reparation's for all Americans. No man/person shall go with out a new Cadillac. Sorry you can't say the word Man anymore. Person I guess.

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« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2021, 12:13 »
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Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

100% correct.

Well their time has come, in the White House, soon enough and in control of the Senate.

USA Today: Democratic wins in Georgia Senate races could mean more stimulus checks, small boost to Biden's economic plan.
Washington Post: Black voters powered Democrats to victory...

Now here's the truth: "Perdue reports that his biggest contributions have come from two major private employers in Georgia: Delta and Home Depot. Ossoffs largest sources of funding during the runoff campaign, meanwhile, have been employees at major, California-based tech companies: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and Facebook." Good that CA supports Ossoff with millions of dollars. I mean all those people loving big tech companies. Especially the ones that have turned you and your personal information into a mining source for more profits.

Yeah baby, uprising, power to the people, except it's the people of California with almost double the money contributed to the lefty party candidate in Georgia? You know the humble, down to Earth, Regular Joe Biden. Joes friends in the media and in Silicon Valley still have his back, along with the Chinese.

I'm willing to let the Socialists Democrats have their turn in power, and hope for the best. Bitter losers are just obnoxious and Trump has turned out to be the worst ever. Hit the bricks little orange megalomaniac. You've been exposed and now your own party doesn't want anything to do with you.

Here's to Joe and Kamala, more of that is for her. Heck, we could have the first Female / Minority President if any minor event like Joe is playing with a dog again... The phantom is kind of fragile I guess?  ;D

If the Republicans wanted to win, they should have had a candidate that didn't offend, scare and threaten, half the population of the country.

Where do people get these crazy ideas. Like Oringer should just become a personal contributor charity. He's not Santa Claus. Sorry to say this, but there isn't any Santa Claus. Grow Up.

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« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2021, 12:31 »
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Uncle Pete!!  I read another type of analysis!  the people, Calif and corps supported the Dems mainly because they can control the easily led Democrats, all it takes is a bit of money and they are quite gullible. Sillicon valley alone will eat them alive! Biden is probably just a front figure and old and decrepid.
Forget Trump!  but the Republicans in general already have the money and the huge war-machine behind them.

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« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2021, 02:17 »
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Uncle Pete!!  I read another type of analysis!  the people, Calif and corps supported the Dems mainly because they can control the easily led Democrats, all it takes is a bit of money and they are quite gullible. Sillicon valley alone will eat them alive! Biden is probably just a front figure and old and decrepid.

Where did you read this analysis? By the sounds of it, it was in amongst articles on flat Earth, Bill Gates wanting to destroy the universe and the world being run by lizard people who want to eat our children.

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« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2021, 03:54 »
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I'm lost. Are you commenting that a person who is on the left or extreme left, like me, because there is no more left, peaceful and non-violent, someone from the maximum European left like me, should I give away the money if I win it? That I should live in a cardboard house? And have an old car?

I think that the concepts of the old Berlin wall must be overcome. It is, a kind of trauma phobia that haunts you. A real panic to the leftists or communists. Is incredible.

It reminds me of the oriental phobia, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think being a communist is my identity. If you think it is a disease, I clarify, I do not feel bad about being from the maximum left in Europe. Not radical or violent.

And if there was something that is defined further to the left, I would be there. I love the north pole, polar bears and life. I love, respect for everyone except the extreme right. I don't consider them human, they only bring tears, sadness and blood.

No, I don't give my money away. Nor am I against piling up money.

Everything is made by history, apparently the fascists killed him for being gay, the best poet in all of history. He is my beacon. I love poetry and the real human being.

Being an anti fascist is the most honest thing that makes life great. What is not normal is to be a fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Garc%C3%ADa_Lorca
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« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2021, 05:14 »
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I'm lost. Are you commenting that a person who is on the left or extreme left, like me, because there is no more left, peaceful and non-violent, someone from the maximum European left like me, should I give away the money if I win it? That I should live in a cardboard house? And have an old car?

I think that the concepts of the old Berlin wall must be overcome. It is, a kind of trauma phobia that haunts you. A real panic to the leftists or communists. Is incredible.

It reminds me of the oriental phobia, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think being a communist is my identity. If you think it is a disease, I clarify, I do not feel bad about being from the maximum left in Europe. Not radical or violent.

And if there was something that is defined further to the left, I would be there. I love the north pole, polar bears and life. I love, respect for everyone except the extreme right. I don't consider them human, they only bring tears, sadness and blood.

No, I don't give my money away. Nor am I against piling up money.

Everything is made by history, apparently the fascists killed him for being gay, the best poet in all of history. He is my beacon. I love poetry and the real human being.

Being an anti fascist is the most honest thing that makes life great. What is not normal is to be a fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Garc%C3%ADa_Lorca


If youre extreme left then what are you doing in the microstock business???  thats a giant commercial cogwheel and I thought extreme left's was against commerce?? ::) ;D

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« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2021, 05:36 »
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I'm considering trying the hallucinogenic mushrooms, to see if the brain will mature one of these days. Interesting business this microstock, yes. Regards.

I am at a professional level, since I entered and entered late, I have seen that there are plenty of intermediaries. Joining does not mean that we love each other, we will unite to sell in groups.

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« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2021, 10:10 »
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It reminds me of the oriental phobia, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think being a communist is my identity. If you think it is a disease, I clarify, I do not feel bad about being from the maximum left in Europe. Not radical or violent.


Out of tune for someone who's so politically correct and sensitive. They are not Oriental or rugs, they are Asian. Wow how could a flaming liberal miss that?  ;D

Oh never mind this is the "why I hate" Shutterstock section, my mistake.

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« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2021, 13:43 »
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money=influence

I have no doubt any big company that feels one side or the other will help them do business and make more money would jump sides (or play both) in a heartbeat. We just saw it with the social media companies these last few days.

As far as socialism goes, as I requoted to a friend, its a generational thing. People my age (or older) think Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc when socialism is discussed. The younger generations hear socialism and think "free healthcare, canada, Norway, etc.."

Its just a word. Its how its applied that matters.


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« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2021, 14:44 »
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Interesting the last two posts. Totally true. Thanks friends.



Concepts, exactly. Also education, context, culture, customs, ........ many nuances.


Hola  Uncle Pete, saludos. You made me laugh, thank you. Orient belongs to the Orientals, the word Orient is ours.

It is related to Latin, and therefore, to the Spanish language.


Look, even if you don't understand Spanish at all, how language adaptations change. Spanish has nuances that are very difficult to adapt. Therefore, people who speak Spanish as a second language prefer it when they are angry, because it offers more alternatives.

Fijate , aunque no entiendas nada el espaol, cmo cambian las adaptaciones del lenguaje. El Espaol, dispone de matices muy dificiles de adaptar. Por eso, a la gente que habla espaol como segunda lengua, lo prefieren cuando estn enfadados, porque ofrece ms alternativas.

It is for orientation, compass point, to know where you are. East and west, where the sun rises and where it sets. Of course that depends on the perspective and location, location. Oriental is from the Orient. Eastern Countries, Middle East, The Magi of the East.

Es de orientacin, punto de brujula, para saber donde ests. Oriente y poniente, por donde sale el sol y por donde se pone. Claro que eso depende de la perspectiva y hubicacion, localizacin. Oriental es de Oriente. Paises Orientales, Medio Oriente, Los Reyes Magos de Oriente.


East
Oriental
Oriental

Oriente
Oriental
Orientales


However, the East and the West are relative in addition to the physical position of the interlocutor, due to the 23.5 inclination of the earth and the rotation around the sun, it is all relative and more to the speed we move and pressure changes It also affects that the sun rises every day where it comes out of the eggs. And also the concept of getting out of the sun is also relative.

However, it's not about what you say, but how you say it. I have no problem with Asia or with eastern or eastern countries, or with its people.

I have learned something else with your words. Regards.

Even the Wiki does not write the same depending on the language, it interprets and adapts the terms, concepts and words.

Here you can see how Oriente changes from Spanish to English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriente



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Este

« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2021, 10:19 »
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Oringer is a sellout.  Shame on him.

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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2021, 12:29 »
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Real simple, Asians don't like being called Orientals, just like Blacks don't like being called Negros and Latinos don't like being call Mexicans. Native American's unless that changed again to indigenous people or something else, are NOT Indians.

I don't make these up, that's just the way the world is right now. So tune in and adjust please.

Even Obama says so?

2016 It is now politically incorrect to use the word Oriental, and the admonition has the force of law: President Obama recently signed a bill prohibiting use of the term in all federal documents. Rep. Grace Meng, the New York congresswoman who sponsored the legislation, exulted that at long last this insulting and outdated term will be gone for good.

Personally I've never heard the term used as an insult, so once again, someone just had to get upset and create some issue, where nothing serious existed?

People are too easily offended. As I am none of the above, that I know of and until I take that DNA test, I have no real concerns personally. Although I guess being a Saxon is a bad thing in Romania and Hungary, darn? I'm still not concerned or offended.

So please, it's Asian not Oriental.

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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2021, 12:31 »
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Well spoken Pete!

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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2021, 13:08 »
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Well spoken Pete!

Thanks, I was just trying to get to the facts instead of a futile debate.  8)

I might be a little biased, these were my extended family nieces. I was their Uncle Budi



Which could have been a compliment or meant in "Hinglish"  ...derogatory, an old woman. One never knows with a sense of humor and a huge language difference. No matter I was often designated to watch over and protect them. All grown up, married or moved away now.

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« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2021, 13:34 »
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You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Tenebroso

« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2021, 13:38 »
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We will continue to call our majesties, The Three Wise Men of the Orient.

Tenebroso

« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2021, 13:46 »
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And furthermore, our society does not insult any race, by conviction, furthermore, it is a Crime, assimilated and accepted by all. Nobody in Spain thinks of insulting any race. It is, something we all reject.

« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2021, 14:30 »
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We the blacks are the best.

Tenebroso

« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2021, 14:34 »
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Yes, in sports especially. The French are very bad about cycling. The British about football. The Americans who lost the basketball Olympiad. Yes, in sports especially.


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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2021, 14:45 »
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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2021, 17:13 »
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Well spoken Pete!



Instead of clapping in the chorus, you must take the initiative and I will grant you your three minutes of glory.
You must copy my Nick @Tenebroso and send the link of the post, with your diplomatic complaint to the Embassy of Spain.


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Then you must negotiate alternatives to the interpretation of the word Oriental, or request that it be removed from the Spanish language.

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Once your request has been agreed, you must request the Royal Academy of the Language so that your adaptation to the Spanish language is approved the following year at the following address.

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Tenebroso

« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2021, 17:41 »
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Well spoken Pete!

In my opinion, you demand a lot for a borrowed language, not your own, which is missing many words and nuances to adapt to the original languages with a lot of history.

However, you are free to fight for the Spanish language to be modified to suit your tastes or needs about the Oriental word or the words you want to modify. I remind you that your language takes words from all languages, as it is not its own language.

In terms of culture, we have no racism problems in society or in our vocabulary.

We closed those debates 40 years ago and we do very well without racism.

« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2021, 02:03 »
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I don't understand why some nations label people for their colour. It's a funny behaviour and a remain of european colonial era.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 02:05 by trabuco »

Tenebroso

« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2021, 05:23 »
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@ Trabuco .............


It's a difficult topic. You and me, we are political rivals. But we are united in the basics, health as everyone's right, legislate on hatred in public, false news will be the judge who determines the sanction, everyone's privacy, everyone's intimacy, and the right to information.

They must unanimously approve a Preamble to the Constitution, withdrawing religion from politics. Do not allow phrases like God save America by political leaders or educators, punish manipulation and misinformation, recover the right to be informed, health is for everyone and is not a matter of politics.

They are in process, one America sees it clearly, the other does not. It's the Holy War against Harris.

It is not our problem. We are solving our problem, hatred on the internet. There are no borders on the internet, and this is a problem for peace zones. Fortunately, we are winning.

Their idea that they are the most marvelous country on earth, falls to them at times. Perhaps in the next pandemic, they will again lead the world by example.

Who knows, it is a very special country and full of heroes. By the way, with extraordinary and recognized means of communication throughout the planet. I mean Media, not FOX manipulation for money, presumably and maybe.

It is very complex, the States are rival and enemy, red and blue, they are not united, they are two Americas.

If Trump says that the virus does not exist, because he cannot defeat it, he is dedicated to Twitter, to launch to his followers that the COVID thing is false. If he loses, he says he wins. Whatever the Messiah says is above all. It only matters to annoy the rival. The dead are below the hatred of the rival. The important thing is Trump, not the life of the citizen.

They presumably consider us to be a human subspecies with no right to have an opinion on something we do not know. They have many problems, so do we.

Fortunately, in what affects us, we are winning. Hate, off the internet. And we have defeated the leadership of internet hatred. Great victory.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2021, 13:58 »
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You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Oh so I can use any term I want for anyone, like the N word, because I have your permission? Wow, thank you. You know how that goes with your silly argument? The word Negro is Black in Spanish. So it's OK when speaking English.

"Negro is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage. The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used. It has various equivalents in other languages of Europe."

But don't get heard using that word in public in the US or people will call you racist and insensitive.  ;D

Same goes for Oriental, if someone is being polite. Rude people can use any words they like because their defense is freedom of language.

Tenebroso

« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2021, 14:28 »
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I have understood. Thank you. Sometimes it is difficult for me to understand things.

I have understood what you mean. Thanks a lot. I will keep it in mind for the future.

Tenebroso

« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2021, 14:45 »
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Despite the fact that Gasol, Banderas and I are black, the NY times, the Oscars, the music awards and the whole of society say so.

We are black, according to the criteria of the USA, but we do not care about your scale of ethnicities and races of white and non-white and others. It doesn't offend us, it doesn't bother us. It means nothing to us. I've always thought that the NYTimes is upset with me about something from the past. No problem.

I am bothered more by the far right by insulting feminists on the internet. Or the victims of gender violence in the home. But I'm going to retire for a while. I need some vacations.





Who is going to heal my broken heart. After you, there is nothing. Who will lower the moon for us to play?

https://youtu.be/MCj8wCjS8Q8
« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 14:59 by Tenebroso »

Tenebroso

« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2021, 08:36 »
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You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Oh so I can use any term I want for anyone, like the N word, because I have your permission? Wow, thank you. You know how that goes with your silly argument? The word Negro is Black in Spanish. So it's OK when speaking English.

"Negro is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage. The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used. It has various equivalents in other languages of Europe."

But don't get heard using that word in public in the US or people will call you racist and insensitive.  ;D

Same goes for Oriental, if someone is being polite. Rude people can use any words they like because their defense is freedom of language.




Education and knowing how to be, we will enjoy it when you invite me for a beer in WI and when I invite you to a beer in Spain. Without politics. Just a good gathering and a pleasant atmosphere.


I definitely disappear, I get diluted like water in my hands, for a while. Duty calls me in other wars. Confirmed. Bye.

« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2021, 08:44 »
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You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Oh so I can use any term I want for anyone, like the N word, because I have your permission? Wow, thank you. You know how that goes with your silly argument? The word Negro is Black in Spanish. So it's OK when speaking English.

"Negro is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage. The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used. It has various equivalents in other languages of Europe."

But don't get heard using that word in public in the US or people will call you racist and insensitive.  ;D

Same goes for Oriental, if someone is being polite. Rude people can use any words they like because their defense is freedom of language.




Education and knowing how to be, we will enjoy it when you invite me for a beer in WI and when I invite you to a beer in Spain. Without politics. Just a good gathering and a pleasant atmosphere.


I definitely disappear, I get diluted like water in my hands, for a while. Duty calls me in other wars. Confirmed. Bye.

Please say its true that you are saying goodbye

You are just a bore  ::)


Tenebroso

« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2021, 08:55 »
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Yes, I say goodbye. But it is temporary. I'll be back soon.
I know you will miss me. Be strong. I understand that it will be very hard for you.


I leave you with the Master.

https://youtu.be/0o8vszqVL2U
« Last Edit: January 13, 2021, 09:18 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2021, 22:02 »
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Does anybody think that one person is REALLY worth nearly Five million dollars payment per year, especially when that payment is based on the useage of a third parties creativeness?

Horizon

    This user is banned.
« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2021, 03:57 »
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I'm lost. Are you commenting that a person who is on the left or extreme left, like me, because there is no more left, peaceful and non-violent, someone from the maximum European left like me, should I give away the money if I win it? That I should live in a cardboard house? And have an old car?

I think that the concepts of the old Berlin wall must be overcome. It is, a kind of trauma phobia that haunts you. A real panic to the leftists or communists. Is incredible.

It reminds me of the oriental phobia, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think being a communist is my identity. If you think it is a disease, I clarify, I do not feel bad about being from the maximum left in Europe. Not radical or violent.

And if there was something that is defined further to the left, I would be there. I love the north pole, polar bears and life. I love, respect for everyone except the extreme right. I don't consider them human, they only bring tears, sadness and blood.

No, I don't give my money away. Nor am I against piling up money.

Everything is made by history, apparently the fascists killed him for being gay, the best poet in all of history. He is my beacon. I love poetry and the real human being.

Being an anti fascist is the most honest thing that makes life great. What is not normal is to be a fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Garc%C3%ADa_Lorca


Haha! you know being a communist just means that you have nothing else to do. You are lost in a dellusion! you should give away all your money all your belonings thoughts and ideals. You should be clutching Mao's little red instead of trying to make a buck in micro-stock! ;D ;D

« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2021, 07:07 »
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Orinass is only interested in cost cutting to pump up stock price.  So, good luck with that. 
Contributors are not their "workers".  We are independent "suppliers" of the products they sell.  So, we are subject of cost cutting for business.  However, if the business decide not to pay us the appropriate price for products we make, we don't have to sell to that business.  We have a choice.  But they don't "owe" us anything because we are not their "workers".

« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2021, 07:14 »
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Does anybody think that one person is REALLY worth nearly Five million dollars payment per year, especially when that payment is based on the useage of a third parties creativeness?

But any retail businesses depend on third parties creativeness selling products somebody else made.  In that regard, stock agencies aren't much different from any other retail business.  We are just suppliers of the products they sell.  Just like Amazon sell products some independent manufacturers and brands made.  If we don't like what they pay us, we can leave by clicking "Off" on licensing section of account setting and come back if they make changes to pay us well.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2021, 14:57 »
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If we don't like what they pay us, we can leave by clicking "Off" on licensing section of account setting...

I'm saving that quote. You finally caught on!

Does anybody think that one person is REALLY worth nearly Five million dollars payment per year, especially when that payment is based on the useage of a third parties creativeness?


No and I don't think that answer needs much explaining?  ;D

« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2021, 15:49 »
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I think his focus is on Shareholder compensation, not us.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2021, 15:55 by blvdone »


 

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