If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock (https://www.Shutterstock.com) donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?

In the last 4 quarters Shutterstock has licensed 181,900,000 image uses at an average price of $3.55 each. If we divide 181,900,000 into the $4,598,580 that would give us $0.0252 (about two-and-one-half cents) per image licensed. Not very much, but pennies count. The average image creators only gets a royalty of about 26% of the $3.55 or $0.923 (less than $1.00) for each image licensed. An additional $0.0252 raises the royalty to $0.9482 (almost $0.95), almost a 27% royalty rather than 26%.

But, of course, Oringer is entitled to compensation to support himself and his family and for the work he has done over the years to build Shutterstock.

On the other hand, instead of receiving a salary could he sell some stock.

As of 1 December 2020 he owned at least 13,602,824 units of Shutterstock Inc (https://wallmine.com/nyse/sstk ) stock. Today�s price for that stock is about $68.40 per share so the value of his stock is $930,433,162 -- almost $1 billion. 

Oringer became the first photography billionaire in 2013, but over the last few year Shutterstock�s share price has faltered from time to time. At one point the share value was down to paulry $600,000,000. How could anyone survive on so little money?

Nevertheless, thanks to the 2020 economic crisis, as of 1 December 2020, his Net Worth was estimated to be in the range $1.2 Billion dollars. Over the last 7 years he sold SSTK stock worth over $271,824,319. See here (https://wallmine.com/nyse/sstk/insider-trading ) Does he really need an additional $4,598,580 compensation? Maybe he could even give up twice or 3 times as much!

Currently there are about 370,000,000 million images in the Shutterstock collection, Thus, with 181,900,000 images licensed annually the average image creator has about one image licensed for every two images in the collection. There are about 650,000 contributors, Thus, the average contributor has about 569 images in the collection, licenses right to about 278 images annually and earns about $256.59.

Oringer�s annual salary (not counting stock appreciation) is 17,922 times the average annual earnings of Shutterstock contributors (workers). According the U.S. government statistics, since 1978 the average CEO�s compensation has grown 940% while typical worker compensation has only risen 12%, and not kept up with inflation. In 1965 the ratio of CEO-to-worker compensation was about 20-to-1. By 2018 that ratio had grown to 278-to-1.

Of course, there are a few contributors who have many more images-in-the-collection, a much higher ration of images-licensed to images-in-the-collection and earn a lot more annually.
For them an additional $0.0252 per image licensed might be significant.

It is also worth noting that during the last year (https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/shutterstock-q3-2020-financial-results ) Shutterstock has grown its collection by 18%, saw a decline of 5.5% in the number of images licensed and about an 8% decline in revenue paid image creators.

In fairness to Oringer, this is how capitalism in the United States works. It is not unique to the photography industry. The person who comes up with a marketable product, or marketing idea, can benefit hugely compared to what those who put in time, energy and money receive. This is particularly true if the product costs the seller nothing to produce, and the seller can simply compensate the producer with a small percentage of revenue generated if and when the product sells.

https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/whats-fair-compensation

https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/shutterstock-public-offering

If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock, donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?

Waiting for the 4th Q report, but I have to ask, that would mean we'd get 12 cents a download minimum, instead of 10c a download. Well that's exciting? 

As for Jon donating his pay to us?



Didn't he used to take $1 a year as pay? When did that change?

If the average price for SS sells was 3.55 per image. What was your average per sale ?  Maybe 5% of 3.55......?

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

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Quote from: Horizon on December 21, 2020, 16:18

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

I live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.

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Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on December 21, 2020, 17:21

Quote from: Horizon on December 21, 2020, 16:18

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

I live in Venezuela, which is a socialist country, almost communist, and I can assure you that the people who came to the government and have already been in power for 21 years came as almost beggars and now have great fortunes.

Saludos Alexanerssr


Authoritarianisms do not matter whether they are from any side of the arc of political ideas. Any authoritarianism is a dictatorship. The nomenclature with which dictators call themselves is independent of the pain, tragedy and blood they inflict on the people.

Hola Tenebroso, Saludos! Espero que est� bien!

In my country these people have been governing for 21 years, they have won the odd election fairly but most have been cheated. At first they used the voting system of the Smartmatic company, whose founder is a Venezuelan engineer. With that company many elections were held which were fraudulent. Here is an article with something else about the Smartmatic company.

I live in a "social democratic" country (Canada, basically a capitalist country with socialist policy, but that is debatable depending on where on the spectrum you are) and in our case, elections are simple.

We generally have a choice between one of two parties which largely do the exact same things until we throw them out by electing the other party. Rinse and repeat every 4-8 years.  Keeps the sign painters employed at least. We have the same polarization effect trying to take root here that we see in the US, but so far its not quite so apparent.

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

I guess Trump is a leftie too then.

I think we can all find common ground in acknowledging the disappointment we all feel in our governments, left or right.  I personally wouldn't proudly wave a flag for either side.

Thank You, I'm so tired of people taking sides when they don't see that politicians are only interested in their own power and control. Oh and of course pandering to the voters by lying about what they will do for us.

...  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! ...

ROFL - as opposed to rightwing senators who used confidential, insider info to buy stocks to profit from the covid pandemic! or a tax cut that benefits the top 1%

This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

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This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

Are you talking about the one we just elected or the one that's leaving. 

When there are only two candidates for two Presidential elections and most of the people from either side, want neither of them, we get this kind of near 50/50 result.

People shouting and arguing, has never changed anyone on the other sides opinion or mind. So what we get is polarized, shouting, claims, lies and angry, for NOTHING! Oh it does make enemies and make friends dislike and distrust people they would otherwise be closer to. I see no gain and no purpose to the constant biased opinions.

No... violence is not the answer. Working within the system is the right answer.

Quote from: Tenebroso on December 23, 2020, 14:17

This indicates that various population groups prefer the worst candidate in history in the face of the danger of a wide sector of society, tired of everything, oblivious to the news, unhappy, capable of living an alternative reality, and who can see the light on a dangerous far-right populist leader.

Logically, you have in opposite of half your people and the rest of the planet. Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

Are you talking about the one we just elected or the one that's leaving. 

When there are only two candidates for two Presidential elections and most of the people from either side, want neither of them, we get this kind of near 50/50 result.

People shouting and arguing, has never changed anyone on the other sides opinion or mind. So what we get is polarized, shouting, claims, lies and angry, for NOTHING! Oh it does make enemies and make friends dislike and distrust people they would otherwise be closer to. I see no gain and no purpose to the constant biased opinions.

No... violence is not the answer. Working within the system is the right answer.

I'm going to repeat it, trying to develop the phrase.

The Civil War, unfortunately, is the only possible way, available in the USA, that allows to restart the country. I wish I was wrong.

Harris is likely to be a living legend in America.

However, remember that it is not about Trump's actions, examples, ideas and words. It should be borne in mind that 70 million have supported his management. People who believe his lies. Absent from the news and in an alternate world. For years to come, the internet will continue to work their minds, and minors will continue to absorb hatred.

I don't see a solution, there are 70 million people. There cannot be 70 million fools. Therefore, there are 70 million people who see something else. This is simply unbearable.

You can aspire to a president who at least tries to do something other than breed hatred among his citizens. But how do we bring 70 million people into the real world?

Quote from: Horizon on December 21, 2020, 16:18

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

There's so much wrong with this paragraph that I don't know where to start. But for now... I was always under the impression that 'righties' weren't a big fan of 'handouts', so I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in this anyway?

Don't know what you mean to be honest but anyhow there is no money or power with leftie comany just misery and wishful thinking and that do not generate money not even an income.
As far as Oringer? well just have an educated guess.

I think what frightens me from the outside looking in, is that Trump got so many votes after being very open about his racism, bigotry, misogyny, and openly lying about so much, so often, while promoting divisiveness and hate and ignoring a pandemic that is killing thousands upon thousands. It goes well beyond party loyalty in my opinion, this is cult behavior.

Not sure Biden is the right guy, but literally anything is better than what you have now, even Pence would be better. At least they might show up to work.

We always think it's worst but there is always worse to see in furure

It's funny to hear about "lefties" in the US.

D.am.n commies.

You, you have to listen more to your veterans, they, met La Nueve (The 9th Company), communists, and fought side by side against fascism. And they can confirm that they do not have tails or horns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Nueve

Believe it or not but people like Oringer, Zuckerburg etc etc are lefties and now with a new leftie President???  lefties have always become rich on other peoples work or money! so Jim how do you propose to get somebody like Oringer to do this?

Yes, yes, they lefties. That is why they are always pushing for better government regulation and higher taxes on the rich. Oh no wait, that's literally the opposite of what they are doing.

@ Trabuco I know we do not agree on politics. No problem.


Now that you have two winning presidents, divide the country, so the taxes are managed independently. In addition to education in schools. Health. Hate and freedom of expression. Abortion, immigration, transsexuals, gays, feminists, lame and bald. And the entire pack.

I don't know why the USA feels so distant to you. We are the ones who have been living on the continent the longest, except for the natives. And they still have trouble defining ethnicities and races. Now they call us, not white. However, it is clear that the country is divided in two. The closest definition is that half follows the news from the media, and the other half follow Trump.

Well, so the british, the german and the dutch call us "non white" or "spaniard white"    It's like a joke. I really like to be black, I love the Blues.

I think that the same thing is happening here and in the rest of western countries, not just in the USA and, in the USA, not just in one side. There is hate speech everywhere and polarized societies in all countries. Politicians and media are crap everywhere, not just in one side. Have to think that most of Trump voters read several newspapers and watch several tv channels too. At least in the same proportion that Biden voters.

In Europe It's really hard to read a newspaper. Some media like The Guardian just invent the news, I have read fake news about Spain. And in Spain all newspapers and tv channels are garbage. All of them, pure s.

So, we have the same problems. We are lucky because we have a bigger structure over the countries with strong rules in some issues, but without the EU Europe would become a jungle. But we have some kind of stability that is our biggest richness. We are going to see soon our strongness together with the british chaos.

Maybe in America people have to find a way to fight for a better life beyond the two parties. Poverty is a domination mechanism in both capitalist and communist countries.

Completely agree with you! I live in a socialist country and a lot of people are eating crap, despite the false promises of socialism about equality and better quality of life.

Quote from: trabuco on December 30, 2020, 08:16

Well, so the british, the german and the dutch call us "non white" or "spaniard white"    It's like a joke. I really like to be black, I love the Blues.

I think that the same thing is happening here and in the rest of western countries, not just in the USA and, in the USA, not just in one side. There is hate speech everywhere and polarized societies in all countries. Politicians and media are crap everywhere, not just in one side. Have to think that most of Trump voters read several newspapers and watch several tv channels too. At least in the same proportion that Biden voters.

In Europe It's really hard to read a newspaper. Some media like The Guardian just invent the news, I have read fake news about Spain. And in Spain all newspapers and tv channels are garbage. All of them, pure s.

So, we have the same problems. We are lucky because we have a bigger structure over the countries with strong rules in some issues, but without the EU Europe would become a jungle. But we have some kind of stability that is our biggest richness. We are going to see soon our strongness together with the british chaos.

Maybe in America people have to find a way to fight for a better life beyond the two parties. Poverty is a domination mechanism in both capitalist and communist countries.

Completely agree with you! I live in a socialist country and a lot of people are eating crap, despite the false promises of socialism about equality and better quality of life.

In Europe and in Spain we should make a clear bet for democracy and prosperity in Hispanoam�rica. We should focus on there not just for pictures in summits.

Quote from: Tenebroso on December 30, 2020, 07:30

I don't know why the USA feels so distant to you. We are the ones who have been living on the continent the longest, except for the natives. And they still have trouble defining ethnicities and races. Now they call us, not white. However, it is clear that the country is divided in two. The closest definition is that half follows the news from the media, and the other half follow Trump.

Actually if you look at it, half don't like one side and the other half doesn't like the other side. Not many like anything. 

Besides that, anyone who is outside and looks at the news, is just as misguided by polarized agendas as the simplistic view that, there are two ends. The actual alignment is much more in the middle, but the extremes talk the most and shout the loudest.

Part of the ratings game has become, leaning towards one side or the other. What ever happened to impartial? So people go to the stations and the news and the talk, that agrees with their views the most. Then they get confidence and rewarded by hearing people that agree with them, and avoiding people that don't.

Anyway the main honest point is, don't believe the extremes or that they actually represent the people in the United States. The far left is just as "out there" as the far right. Some of the most racist groups are racial advocacy groups. Not a pretty picture, but also not much different from many other countries in the world. In some ways better, because there's actually some openness and discussion, where other places, you can have freedom of speech, but the next day, you might never be heard from again. 

Free speech is good, even if I have to listen to people I disagree with. I support freedom of expression, for everyone, on an equal basis.

I am very grateful for your words. There are very interesting things in your words.

Me, seeing it from the outside nothing at all, at this point it is not the first time that I comment that my partner is from the USA and I have been fighting for decades to change the laws against the arguments of not being able to insult is censorship.

About my grandfather, in NY, and his three American decades, I'll tell you another day.

Our minors cannot consume your trash of insults, slights, disqualifications, hatred and hostile environment on the internet.

I know the legislation by heart and the arguments of practically all hate groups in the USA, the decisions of the Supreme Court around the concept of not legislating on hateful feelings. And you see, you are not going to convince me of anything, since I am talking about the experience of living in a zone of peace. Where the day to day, confirms that gays are normal people.

Multinationals are already getting it, soon, less harmful messages will reach your mind.

We take measures every day, so that it does not happen to us like in the Swedish elections, Brexit or Trump. And so we will continue.

To insult Gays, it will be in your town church, not on the internet. This you must assume as censorship of hatred and freedom for people. As APPEL said, the moral obligation of responsibility towards humanity.

I'm not Gay, but for you, as if I was. The rest of the pack, exactly the same. You know, with UE IP, respect comes first. In your house do what you want.

This is not about taking away your freedom by demanding a mask for you, it is about a worldwide virus attack. And you will put on a mask to protect the one in front.
We do not close bars and restaurants to earn money from Ukraine or nonsense or Chinese flu crap. We close bars to save people.

If you think being gay is a disease, say it at home, not on the internet.


It is difficult for you to understand the rights of others, but you will see, the right to information, the right to honor, the right to privacy and the right to intimacy is paramount. And of course, take the fake news before the judge. You cannot say what you want, when you want, and how you want, not even being an American.

The big multinationals understand it based on sanctions. You see, your minors will be brought up with the hatred of the father, not with the hatred on the internet.

Now you tell me again that the media eat my head and manipulate me.

In case you don't know, you are losing every battle. For many dollars that hate groups received, money destined to help families and restaurants from the first aid of covid, we are more. We do not forgive and we do not forget.

Remember, hate speech has been very well defined for decades, you are not going to continue with your hatred on the internet. And believe me, I love freedom of expression.

Rather, you should focus your effort on those things that work in other developed countries and not rely on what your neighbor says, or rumors. A town without information is a lost town.

I know the arguments by heart of listening to the American national supremacy, even you repeat them and make them yours. Freedom of expression has limits, if you are healthy, you will observe the changes over the years.

Remember, to insult, in a town hall on Sundays or Thursdays, not on the internet.

Our boys, most of them are vaccinated and laugh, some believe it, this is the problem, we had overcome it decades ago. Freedom of expression does not give the right to the Crime of Hate Speech, nor against women, Islam, transsexuals,...... you will evolve, the American people seem to have said that the country must change now.


Another possibility is that you do not have to get weapons for the population, you are already armed, the civil war awaits you, and correct the errors of the previous one, so that it is the last one and not have another in a few years.


No matter what the votes, justice, or democracy say, a large percentage of Trump supporters know what Trump's divine word is.

You can start whenever you want. Is the only way.


You can put on the mask if you want, the vaccine if you want, but on the internet, you are not going to fill the heads of our minors with hatred, keep that in mind. Keep heat in your house.

Weapons do not affect us, you can put a tank in the schools, and guard the teachers' backs, put the army in the schools, it does not affect us. Hate on the internet does affect us.


Like suicide induction, actual threat, and defamation, you are gonna eat the Hate Speech Crime with chips. Freedom of expression does not mean urinating on feminists in public. You will evolve as a country.


You do not have adequate information, here, if you make a false video, you pay the penalty that the judge determines, we have information, and I respect people.

You will learn.

Thank you.

You made me laugh, thank you. She made a comment that I should not speak, because the media misinform me and distort reality.
All Americans? No, just 70 million, that's a lot of people. It is very complicated. And we are talking about a president who is on the networks every day asking for strength, and don't steal, fight and more. You and the rest know how the situation is
Freedom of expression, yes. Of course.

A good thing about royaties cut: We upload less stuff and can talk about politics here. In fact I'm thinking in stop uploading to all agencies. With the pictures I have now I can buy some equipment every year, I hope.

Happy new year and stay safe. The 3rd wave in Europe is scaring.

If Jon Oringer of Shutterstock (https://www.Shutterstock.com) donated his annual salary of $4,598,580 to image creators who produce the products Shutterstock licenses, and divided it among creators based on the number of images licensed, how would that benefit image creators?
AND YOU CREATORS ARE STILL UPLOADING YOUR WORK you must be joking, no employee is worth nearly 4.5 million dollars.

Wow that are really laughing all the way to the Bahamas.

Come On you lot wake up!!!!!!!!!!!

I�m really loving my $4 sales days now.

If I have one day like that, not including ELs or a big OD, I'll write.

Meanwhile, I've got my camera and I'm riding the fast lane, on the road to riches.



We're off!

I�m really loving my $4 sales days now.

Sean you are living good. My sales days now are 80 cents on SS. Soon we will get the free Biden phones and free money for all each and ever week. Let the good times roll. Reparation's for all Americans. No man/person shall go with out a new Cadillac. Sorry you can't say the word Man anymore. Person I guess.

Uncle Pete!!  I read another type of analysis!  the people, Calif and corps supported the Dems mainly because they can control the easily led Democrats, all it takes is a bit of money and they are quite gullible. Sillicon valley alone will eat them alive! Biden is probably just a front figure and old and decrepid.
Forget Trump!  but the Republicans in general already have the money and the huge war-machine behind them.

I'm lost. Are you commenting that a person who is on the left or extreme left, like me, because there is no more left, peaceful and non-violent, someone from the maximum European left like me, should I give away the money if I win it? That I should live in a cardboard house? And have an old car?

I think that the concepts of the old Berlin wall must be overcome. It is, a kind of trauma phobia that haunts you. A real panic to the leftists or communists. Is incredible.

It reminds me of the oriental phobia, after the attack on Pearl Harbor. I think being a communist is my identity. If you think it is a disease, I clarify, I do not feel bad about being from the maximum left in Europe. Not radical or violent.

And if there was something that is defined further to the left, I would be there. I love the north pole, polar bears and life. I love, respect for everyone except the extreme right. I don't consider them human, they only bring tears, sadness and blood.

No, I don't give my money away. Nor am I against piling up money.

Everything is made by history, apparently the fascists killed him for being gay, the best poet in all of history. He is my beacon. I love poetry and the real human being.

Being an anti fascist is the most honest thing that makes life great. What is not normal is to be a fascist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Garc%C3%ADa_Lorca

I'm considering trying the hallucinogenic mushrooms, to see if the brain will mature one of these days. Interesting business this microstock, yes. Regards.

I am at a professional level, since I entered and entered late, I have seen that there are plenty of intermediaries. Joining does not mean that we love each other, we will unite to sell in groups.

money=influence

I have no doubt any big company that feels one side or the other will help them do business and make more money would jump sides (or play both) in a heartbeat. We just saw it with the social media companies these last few days.

As far as socialism goes, as I requoted to a friend, its a generational thing. People my age (or older) think Soviet Russia, Cuba, etc when socialism is discussed. The younger generations hear socialism and think "free healthcare, canada, Norway, etc.."

Its just a word. Its how its applied that matters.

Oringer is a sellout.  Shame on him.

Well spoken Pete!

You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

And furthermore, our society does not insult any race, by conviction, furthermore, it is a Crime, assimilated and accepted by all. Nobody in Spain thinks of insulting any race. It is, something we all reject.

Yes, in sports especially. The French are very bad about cycling. The British about football. The Americans who lost the basketball Olympiad. Yes, in sports especially.

Well spoken Pete!

Instead of clapping in the chorus, you must take the initiative and I will grant you your three minutes of glory.
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I don't understand why some nations label people for their colour. It's a funny behaviour and a remain of european colonial era.

You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Oh so I can use any term I want for anyone, like the N word, because I have your permission? Wow, thank you. You know how that goes with your silly argument? The word Negro is Black in Spanish. So it's OK when speaking English.

"Negro is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage. The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used. It has various equivalents in other languages of Europe."

But don't get heard using that word in public in the US or people will call you racist and insensitive. 

Same goes for Oriental, if someone is being polite. Rude people can use any words they like because their defense is freedom of language.

Despite the fact that Gasol, Banderas and I are black, the NY times, the Oscars, the music awards and the whole of society say so.

We are black, according to the criteria of the USA, but we do not care about your scale of ethnicities and races of white and non-white and others. It doesn't offend us, it doesn't bother us. It means nothing to us. I've always thought that the NYTimes is upset with me about something from the past. No problem.

I am bothered more by the far right by insulting feminists on the internet. Or the victims of gender violence in the home. But I'm going to retire for a while. I need some vacations.





Who is going to heal my broken heart. After you, there is nothing. Who will lower the moon for us to play?

https://youtu.be/MCj8wCjS8Q8

Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 12, 2021, 13:58

Quote from: Tenebroso on January 11, 2021, 13:34

You want to impose your way of thinking on the rest of the planet. Is not correct.


For me, the end of the debate, being on the left has nothing to do with naming the Orientals, with oriental features, as something derogatory or an insult. It is simply a description and a geographical location point accepted and understood by the entire international community.

In the USA I am black. As you will understand, for me personally, I do not believe any trauma that Americans consider black Spaniards.

The Orientals are Orientals. Say USA what you say.

Oh so I can use any term I want for anyone, like the N word, because I have your permission? Wow, thank you. You know how that goes with your silly argument? The word Negro is Black in Spanish. So it's OK when speaking English.

"Negro is a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage. The term can be construed as offensive, inoffensive, or completely neutral, largely depending on the region or country where it is used. It has various equivalents in other languages of Europe."

But don't get heard using that word in public in the US or people will call you racist and insensitive. 

Same goes for Oriental, if someone is being polite. Rude people can use any words they like because their defense is freedom of language.

Education and knowing how to be, we will enjoy it when you invite me for a beer in WI and when I invite you to a beer in Spain. Without politics. Just a good gathering and a pleasant atmosphere.


I definitely disappear, I get diluted like water in my hands, for a while. Duty calls me in other wars. Confirmed. Bye.

Please say its true that you are saying goodbye

You are just a bore 

Does anybody think that one person is REALLY worth nearly Five million dollars payment per year, especially when that payment is based on the useage of a third parties creativeness?

Orinass is only interested in cost cutting to pump up stock price.  So, good luck with that. 
Contributors are not their "workers".  We are independent "suppliers" of the products they sell.  So, we are subject of cost cutting for business.  However, if the business decide not to pay us the appropriate price for products we make, we don't have to sell to that business.  We have a choice.  But they don't "owe" us anything because we are not their "workers".

If we don't like what they pay us, we can leave by clicking "Off" on licensing section of account setting...

I'm saving that quote. You finally caught on!

Does anybody think that one person is REALLY worth nearly Five million dollars payment per year, especially when that payment is based on the useage of a third parties creativeness?

No and I don't think that answer needs much explaining?