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ShadySue

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« Reply #150 on: October 06, 2013, 10:39 »
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On some of the Stocksy threads.
When I pointed it out, I was accused of being a 'hater', which I'm not; I'm totally neutral and bemused at the total irony. I always felt that if buyers wanted their pics  souped up, they could do it themselves.
I'm not repeating it, but search there for Scotland. Not all of the Scotland pics there have the flat light which is so common in my locality. The Highlands get dramatic light, I understand (always tupperware when I'm there, it follows me everywhere).

See, it's a 'trend'. I must have been ahead of my time.  8) ::)


« Reply #151 on: October 07, 2013, 10:20 »
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Sorry if this has been asked before, but are images at Offset exclusive or can they also be sold on ones personal website?

« Reply #152 on: October 07, 2013, 14:10 »
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OFFSET is not exclusive.

« Reply #153 on: October 07, 2013, 14:39 »
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« Reply #154 on: October 07, 2013, 15:51 »
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OFFSET is not exclusive.
Can you submit the same images on Offset to Shutterstock?

Offset is non-exclusive, but as a policy, we wouldn't accept images to Offset that were also being sold at Shutterstock.com, which could create confusion around pricing, the difference in the collections, etc...

Best,

Scott

« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2013, 15:53 »
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EmberMike

« Reply #156 on: October 07, 2013, 16:26 »
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If they were already on Offset could one contribute those same files to Shutterstock?

That was already answered. The same images won't appear on SS and on Offset.


« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2013, 16:31 »
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« Reply #158 on: October 07, 2013, 17:01 »
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again I believe you should worry with Yuri's buyers once he still has portfolio available at DT and MP after almost 5 months, much smaller pricing as you know

EmberMike

« Reply #159 on: October 07, 2013, 18:47 »
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Kind of (he didn't actually say what you are saying he did), just wondering if there was a policy in force to stop people from contributing images that were already on Offset from being licensed on Shutterstock.   He said they wouldn't accept images that were already on Shutterstock, not the other way around.  What if the file had sold on Shutterstock previously is it ok if it's taken down first?  I'm more interested in if you can have files on other microstock sites and Offset, that would seem to create confusion about the collections too wouldn't it?  Especially with all nonexclusive content at iStock being priced at a max of $10 or at Canstock for even less.

I highly doubt anyone would want to put their stuff on Shutterstock or any other microstock site after it is on Offset selling for far more.

In the rare event that this does happen, I'm sure Scott and team will be working to prevent this kind of overlap. Whether it's policy or not, I'm not sure. But it's also a sort of self-policing thing, where it really seems unlikely that most folks would want that kind of overlap between microstock and Offset.

« Reply #160 on: October 07, 2013, 19:03 »
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« Reply #161 on: October 07, 2013, 19:52 »
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« Reply #162 on: October 08, 2013, 02:15 »
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Kind of (he didn't actually say what you are saying he did), just wondering if there was a policy in force to stop people from contributing images that were already on Offset from being licensed on Shutterstock.   He said they wouldn't accept images that were already on Shutterstock, not the other way around.  What if the file had sold on Shutterstock previously is it ok if it's taken down first?  I'm more interested in if you can have files on other microstock sites and Offset, that would seem to create confusion about the collections too wouldn't it?  Especially with all nonexclusive content at iStock being priced at a max of $10 or at Canstock for even less.

I highly doubt anyone would want to put their stuff on Shutterstock or any other microstock site after it is on Offset selling for far more.

In the rare event that this does happen, I'm sure Scott and team will be working to prevent this kind of overlap. Whether it's policy or not, I'm not sure. But it's also a sort of self-policing thing, where it really seems unlikely that most folks would want that kind of overlap between microstock and Offset.
People do it on Alamy already.  I just found one image from an active member on this forum offered on iStock for about $7.50 and the exact same image on Alamy offered for $365.

One would think that people wouldn't submit to sites that are so much lower in price but I'm sure I could find thousands of examples of this happening already.  If Offset is going to be nonexclusive I would expect contributors to submit their work elsewhere.
That $365 on alamy could be heavily discounted.  I regularly sell for less than $50 now and their RF licence is more like an EL on the microstock sites.  So there isn't as big a difference in price as it appears.  They also go out of their way to inform their contributors that they don't mind what other sites we sell our images on, as long as we don't mix RF and RM.  I was against selling my microstock images there at first but any non-exclusive that doesn't use them is losing out.  Some buyers have no problem paying large fees for an image and they don't bother looking for cheaper prices.

ShadySue

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« Reply #163 on: October 08, 2013, 03:18 »
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^^ Yes, the price showing on Alamy is very rarely anything like the price charged (IME and anecdotally).

Also, as I said, someone paid $250 for one of my images on Getty360 that they could have got for 17 credits (max) on iStock. And people can pay many credits on iStock for the same pic they can get in a TS sub, at least while there are still exclusive files on TS.

I would have thought that Offset might want to obviate this, but obviously I don't know their T&C (seems you have to apply first, or ...?). "I would have thought" has no actual bearing on the facts, though.

EmberMike

« Reply #164 on: October 08, 2013, 09:08 »
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People do it on Alamy already...

Sure, it happens. I just think people are going to be less inclined to do it on Offset, at least initially. This isn't Alamy, it's something coming from the biggest and best company in the microstock business. If it was me getting accepted to Offset, I'd be inclined to give SS a chance and see what they can do with Offset before I go shopping my stuff around to cheaper venues.

I have more confidence in Offset being successful and becoming profitable for artists than I do Alamy. I've been on Alamy for years and made just a couple hundred dollars. Offset, with the backing and resources of SS? I'd give that much more of a chance before I could judge whether it's a good avenue for selling stock images or not.

Ron

« Reply #165 on: October 08, 2013, 09:29 »
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RF is not really discounted IMO, its just that Alamy reports the largest sale as per standard, even if the customer only bought a small size image. This is because they have so many downloads from one client, its too much work to report all downloads individually. Thats what I understand from it anyways.

« Reply #166 on: October 08, 2013, 09:57 »
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« Reply #167 on: October 08, 2013, 12:13 »
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I believe its simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.

Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).

Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong  ::)

« Reply #168 on: October 08, 2013, 12:23 »
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ShadySue

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« Reply #169 on: October 08, 2013, 12:35 »
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I believe its simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.

Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).

Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong  ::)


The link you gave shows only a list of artists and agencies whose work is represented by Offset.
Maybe the rules you're quoting are only visible once you're 'in' (?)

« Reply #170 on: October 08, 2013, 12:45 »
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I believe its simple. If your images are accepted by Offset you cannot sell same(and similar) images on microstock sites.

Offset offer non-exclusive RF contract, so you can sell same RF images for example at Alamy, AGEfotostock, Zoonar, Inmagine etc. (because these sites have similar RF pricing and offer non-exclusive RF contracts).

Or you can become contributor of one of these agencies(but they require image exclusivity) listed as suppliers of Offset and if you are lucky sooner or later your images will appear at Offset under the agency collection.
http://www.offset.com/artists-and-agencies

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong  ::)


The link you gave shows only a list of artists and agencies whose work is represented by Offset.
Maybe the rules you're quoting are only visible once you're 'in' (?)



I am not quoting any rules. I am just saying what is my own understanding of Offsets non-exclusivity.

« Reply #171 on: October 08, 2013, 13:05 »
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Ron

« Reply #173 on: October 08, 2013, 14:20 »
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Thats the same policy as Panther Media where you can choose a higher price point for images only sold for higher prices elsewhere. Basically you can put them up on Alamy as RF and on your Symbiostock site priced similar. Thats cool.

« Reply #174 on: October 08, 2013, 14:24 »
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Thats the same policy as Panther Media where you can choose a higher price point for images only sold for higher prices elsewhere. Basically you can put them up on Alamy as RF and on your Symbiostock site priced similar. Thats cool.

EVO says that too, at 123.


 

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