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gyllens

« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2016, 13:28 »
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No not moaning about money but rather about the total absence of new uploads. Just a question if you dont mind. Why are you defending any search change when after all these years you must be aware of that x-amount of portfolios will always suffer badly and some even slaughtered as much as some ports will show stunning results. This is a well know fact.
I find that a bit strange?

New sort order!  well I put my trust in a Tech who is actually also a contributor rather then some colleagues here in a forum. I guess you would do the same. :)


« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2016, 13:37 »
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A couple of people here can not see any difference and thats explainable because its always been the same. Ports containing lots of travel, landscapes and sort of general content will not ever notice too much difference.

A change of algorithm will most certainly hit specialized portfolio ten times more. Thats where you find most of the high commercial content and probably most of the best sellers.

I do agree with that large Tech-firm Mullenengines or whatever they were called who sorted the Adobe before they became tangled up with FT. They stipulated that its always a very bad sign indeed when tweaking any search to the point where top sellers fall outside first 4-5 pages and since there is no undo or reverse button chances are they could be gone forever in a downslope.

re:redded...
it all depend on the objective of the agency.
if you are told by the shareholders to make quantity over quality, pay less,...
you would be arm-twisted to please 1 million newbies and/or oldies cheerleaders of 35 bucks a month earners
at the displeasure of 35 top earners selling a million .
like telemarketing, there is a lots more excited newbies waiting in line to replace the old experts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).

« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2016, 13:39 »
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Why are you defending any search change when after all these years you must be aware of that x-amount of portfolios will always suffer badly and some even slaughtered

We've all got slaughtered at some point - I died at least once in the Great iStock Carnage of 2006 (I think it was) and again in March this year. I honestly don't know if there is any significant shake-up, when I checked the Crete result by most popular the first several pages were full of excellent images. The Christmas "best match" is just reading the number of times spammers have put the word "Christmas" into their metadata (which is atrocious) and the most recent files are just appearing by... err.... most recent.
Out of the three search methods available it's hard to see how most popular or most recent have been changed. Best match has obviously been sabotaged by spammers but I doubt if that's a new development. If it is, then SS needs to sort it out because buyers will simply use the most popular instead.
Apart from that I just happen to be feeling fairly optimistic at the moment and refuse to be brought down by two or three people whinging about the search.
You haven't provided any evidence of the search changing that I've noticed, you don't even say which search it is that has changed, in fact you haven't given any indication that you know there are three different searches available to buyers.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 13:48 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2016, 13:44 »
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rts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).


SS - and the others - have never been there to cater for top earners, they're there to cater to buyers. Putting rubbish up front isn't going to do anybody any good. We got to be top earners by producing stuff people like and want and that stuff is going to keep on performing on its own strengths. But if newbies produce better stuff then we're going to take a hit.  IF the flood of new images simply drowns out the best then SS will have a problem keeping its buyers happy. That's just business.

« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2016, 13:55 »
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rts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).


SS - and the others - have never been there to cater for top earners, they're there to cater to buyers. Putting rubbish up front isn't going to do anybody any good. We got to be top earners by producing stuff people like and want and that stuff is going to keep on performing on its own strengths. But if newbies produce better stuff then we're going to take a hit. IF the flood of new images simply drowns out the best then SS will have a problem keeping its buyers happy. That's just business.

good point, but 80.4% to the right of the page... says spammers are drowning the best .
ss never left the 90% during the heydays when istock was a challenger.

« Reply #55 on: November 24, 2016, 13:58 »
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rts
and they get paid less and get excited with lower sales more often.

ss is in no exertion to cater to top earners anymore; that's a mission for adobe (my guess this).


SS - and the others - have never been there to cater for top earners, they're there to cater to buyers. Putting rubbish up front isn't going to do anybody any good. We got to be top earners by producing stuff people like and want and that stuff is going to keep on performing on its own strengths. But if newbies produce better stuff then we're going to take a hit. IF the flood of new images simply drowns out the best then SS will have a problem keeping its buyers happy. That's just business.

good point, but 80.4% to the right of the page... says spammers are drowning the best .
ss never left the 90% during the heydays when istock was a challenger.

Just seen in another thread that they've started closing down some spammers, so that's good.
Anyway, the World Chess Championship is about to recommence so I'm off over there now. Catch you later

gyllens

« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2016, 14:06 »
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Why are you defending any search change when after all these years you must be aware of that x-amount of portfolios will always suffer badly and some even slaughtered

We've all got slaughtered at some point - I died at least once in the Great iStock Carnage of 2006 (I think it was) and again in March this year. I honestly don't know if there is any significant shake-up, when I checked the Crete result by most popular the first several pages were full of excellent images. The Christmas "best match" is just reading the number of times spammers have put the word "Christmas" into their metadata (which is atrocious) and the most recent files are just appearing by... err.... most recent.
Out of the three search methods available it's hard to see how most popular or most recent have been changed. Best match has obviously been sabotaged by spammers but I doubt if that's a new development. If it is, then SS needs to sort it out because buyers will simply use the most popular instead.
Apart from that I just happen to be feeling fairly optimistic at the moment and refuse to be brought down by two or three people whinging about the search.
You haven't provided any evidence of the search changing that I've noticed, you don't even say which search it is that has changed, in fact you haven't given any indication that you know there are three different searches available to buyers.


yes same here I took a real blow with Istock back in 2006. Well you know its a bit more then two or three people, he he! I am not at liberty to give any names of private forums but trust me this time its one heck of a noise! same at the SS-forum ( theyre always crying ). I am not whinging about fallen earnings I can live with that it goes with the territory and up and downs are to be expected. My problem and I am asking myself why try and produce HCV files involving people with realeases this and that when the files show up just for a day and most of the times dont show at all. Thats my problem. I suppose it would be different if just producing apples and oranges.

Btw. like your cityscapes!

« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2016, 14:50 »
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Something must of changed because so many of us are now getting sales from new images when we were getting almost none before this week.  New images seemed to be almost invisible until this week.  I'm also seeing some really old images that haven't sold in almost a decade selling.

« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2016, 15:42 »
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I went into the catalog Manager i clicked that I sorted photos from the new to the old. What I had to see all the pictures were mixed.

Everything was ransacked.

That explains why the SS sales fell by 30-50%?

« Reply #59 on: November 24, 2016, 15:55 »
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No mixed images in my catalog manager, but sales are 50% down since Monday morning.

« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2016, 17:05 »
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"My problem and I am asking myself why try and produce HCV files involving people with releases" Indeed it seems they are not HCV anymore due to over supply......seems to be you can either react to market demand or continue on the same path of feeding the oversupply and reducing the value of the assets.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 17:08 by Pauws99 »

gyllens

« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2016, 02:12 »
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Pauws!  sorry but that was not a clever answer. You normally do better then that.  ::)

Anyway I found out why they did a change so its now water under the bridge.

« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2016, 02:26 »
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Pauws!  sorry but that was not a clever answer. You normally do better then that.  ::)

Anyway I found out why they did a change so its now water under the bridge.
H'mm in what way? Its quite blunt I know but its how markets work as far as as I know.

« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2016, 02:32 »
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Anyway I found out why they did a change so its now water under the bridge.
Would you care to enlighten us?

« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2016, 02:34 »
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Take into account that reload of previously bought files (in same size) is for free (at least it was so couple years ago, i presume nothing is changed). Specially for seasonal themes and very often used themes agencies reload previously purchased files very often. It means that company and also seller lose potential money. This is one very impotant thing to focus not only on old, very popular stuff.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2016, 10:42 by McNcM »

« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2016, 10:51 »
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Take into account that reload of previously bought files (in same size) is for free (at least it was so couple years ago, i presume nothing is changed). Specially for seasonal themes and very often used themes agencies reload previously purchased files very often. It means that company and also seller lose potential money. This is one very impotant thing to focus not only on old, very popular stuff.

I'm very satisfied with last days changes. Very.

I suppose no matter what anybody says, the negtives will find some conspiracy about how SS has changed search things against them. Them is most of the gloom and doom people here.

Uploaded March 2016, which is a new file? 170 download, #9 on popular search for two words. I don't see that as being hidden or buried? Other photos have done similar. Not everything does that well, but I'm not buried or hidden, just because something is new. I think most of the complainers are thinking they should have some special place because they are old or because they are better? Why can't new photos be equal and better? Oh wait, new photos don't sell.

How can two complete opposite claims be made over and over?

gyllens

« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2016, 13:29 »
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Take into account that reload of previously bought files (in same size) is for free (at least it was so couple years ago, i presume nothing is changed). Specially for seasonal themes and very often used themes agencies reload previously purchased files very often. It means that company and also seller lose potential money. This is one very impotant thing to focus not only on old, very popular stuff.

I'm very satisfied with last days changes. Very.

I suppose no matter what anybody says, the negtives will find some conspiracy about how SS has changed search things against them. Them is most of the gloom and doom people here.

Uploaded March 2016, which is a new file? 170 download, #9 on popular search for two words. I don't see that as being hidden or buried? Other photos have done similar. Not everything does that well, but I'm not buried or hidden, just because something is new. I think most of the complainers are thinking they should have some special place because they are old or because they are better? Why can't new photos be equal and better? Oh wait, new photos don't sell.

How can two complete opposite claims be made over and over?


Be happy youre young and merry then!  uploaded Feb 2016..... 293 sales. 2 ELs and one single-sale: $.99.


« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2016, 19:17 »
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"My problem and I am asking myself why try and produce HCV files involving people with releases" Indeed it seems they are not HCV anymore due to over supply......seems to be you can either react to market demand or continue on the same path of feeding the oversupply and reducing the value of the assets.

Perfect and right.

gyllens

« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2016, 06:59 »
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Pauws!  sorry but that was not a clever answer. You normally do better then that.  ::)

Anyway I found out why they did a change so its now water under the bridge.
H'mm in what way? Its quite blunt I know but its how markets work as far as as I know.

Yes but I am not referring to HCV files being only people images. I am actually thinking more of conceptual photography as being images of commercial value and in that field there are just billions and billions of ideas that will never dry out.

I do agree that the so called waxy and colgate smiling lifestylers are probably on their way out. Oh well I don't do that. No fun! :)

« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2016, 07:17 »
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Pauws!  sorry but that was not a clever answer. You normally do better then that.  ::)

Anyway I found out why they did a change so its now water under the bridge.
H'mm in what way? Its quite blunt I know but its how markets work as far as as I know.


Yes but I am not referring to HCV files being only people images. I am actually thinking more of conceptual photography as being images of commercial value and in that field there are just billions and billions of ideas that will never dry out.

I do agree that the so called waxy and colgate smiling lifestylers are probably on their way out. Oh well I don't do that. No fun! :)
OK yes if you reckon you have something original and its not finding its way in front of buyers I can see that can be frustrating. As you surmise I was really thinking of the "image factory" style images that seem to be an ad nauseum repeat of the same thing with imperceptible differences.

angelawaye

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« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2016, 09:44 »
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What did SS do now? It is just an awful awful Monday. Never seen it like this ...

« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2016, 10:44 »
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I'm doing fine, not good, but not bad either, just average sales...

« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2016, 11:36 »
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After all those 3 great days, it now looks same old wine again, only 4 sales day :(

« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2016, 11:37 »
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After all those 3 great days, it now looks same old wine again, only 4 sales today :(

gyllens

« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2016, 11:46 »
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Something is badly wrong I have about 25 sales which is dreadful considering I always have way over 100 sales per day. This is also supposed to be a busy time just before the x-mas holidays.
What bugs me is that listening to reports the traditional agencies are doing great and I can back that up since I work with two of them.

Of course I might be very wrong but could it be that the micros have finally done it? been messing around just a bit too much for too long with both contributors and buyers bugs and glitches all along and no Tech help in sight.
Oh well hope not. :)



 

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